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Beletre
Gallente
Posted - 2006.10.30 16:33:00 - [31]
 

What? You mean actually taking practical action to form a better society, rather than ranting and raving, then going out to shoot at people who rant and rave diffrently then you??

Nah, never happen.

Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.31 22:59:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Eden Ramani
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Originally by: Damien Crescent
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.


I don't know where this meme that pod pilots weren't allowed to vote started, but it's a rather vicious one. Polling places were open at several Fed-owned stations as well as many of the schools, or alternately you could go down planetside. I'm based out of the Fed Navy station in Stacmon and had to go through a lot of red tape to get an absentee ballot (as I'm still regestred planetside in Bourynes, haven't been in Placid long enough), but I did indeed vote against Blaque in the presidential election.

((OOC: Just because CCP didn't have an official vote doesn't mean that pilots were barred from voting IC. That's my story and I'm sticking to it unless a higher up wants to correct me.))


All lies.

Pod pilots have to take different routs for political change. This complacent ideology of collaboration you harbor is a detriment to the people.

Federation Democracy is not Democracy, it is corruption and vile. The near concentration camp creation proves the foul nature of the Federation. It is time for a change, for Separatism. The fleet grows.




And this is why we need blaque we need someone who will respect the millitary and use it when it is nessecary!

Redpants
Gallente
Dark Star LTD
Posted - 2006.11.02 09:43:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Redpants on 02/11/2006 09:46:46
Edited by: Redpants on 02/11/2006 09:44:27
The great Senator Mentas Blaque akin to an "Amarrian Slaver Hound?" Really Ms. Brightman? I suppose you prefer the incompetence of Foiritan. A man who bumbles about his office daily unable to make decisions about when to crap let alone what's good for the free Gallente people.

There is great reason for outrage over these election results. A simple recount of votes will settle this issue. The fact that the vote is so close demands it, otherwise dark forces are surely at work in the Foiritan/CONCORD camps.

The Federation is heading nowhere fast. This government is motionless. Foiritan wants only to hold onto this stagnation of our people's progress. Look at the Amarr, those zealots are moving towards their own goals (mad as they may be.) The Caldari State has direction and they are keeping the pace. Even the filthy Minmatar have something keeping the momentum, goals and ends to meet. What does this current administration have on the table I ask? Zero.

Senator Blaque has direction and a roadmap for a prosperous Gallente future. He refuses to allow this government to sit by while the other empires pass us in every which way. Blaque is a leader just as the Gallente are leaders. Leaders of manufacturing and engineering, leaders in the arts, leaders of thought and philosphy, and leaders in war.

Blaque is more than a visionary in the prime of his time, he is above all a realist who sees how the Intaki and Minmatar are just piggybacking on the prosperity that was so hard fought for in the past. What have they earned from us? Why do we owe them anything? We the Gallente proper do not. Blaque stands for propping up the Federation and working on the problems at home, not sitting around negotiation tables wasting everyones time.

The timid voting populace in the remote outlying areas are confused about one thing. Because Blaque cares not for the other empries does not mean racism or inevitable war with them. It above all means that he loves true Gallente first, and he loves the Federation.


Galen Lang
Posted - 2006.11.02 10:15:00 - [34]
 

Given that the choice was between a warmonger and a corrupt idiot, is it any surprise that many did not vote?

What concerns me most is the unusual swing which occurred in the later counts.Overturning such a large defecit with a comparitively small percentage of the electorate indicates to me a that the result is unusual. Unusual results in a "democratic" vote certainly bear very close scrutiny.

Am I cynical? Yes, but I have every reason to be.

Whats more, I dont believe a recount will actually change anything as there has been ample time now to consolidate any fraud which may have occurred.

Monty Tomasi
Phoenix Wing
Alektorophobia
Posted - 2006.11.02 10:51:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Redpants

The Federation is heading nowhere fast. This government is motionless. Foiritan wants only to hold onto this stagnation of our people's progress. Look at the Amarr, those zealots are moving towards their own goals (mad as they may be.) The Caldari State has direction and they are keeping the pace. Even the filthy Minmatar have something keeping the momentum, goals and ends to meet. What does this current administration have on the table I ask? Zero.



Redpants, I think that you are using generalizations to simplify matter immensely. Simply because you cannot determine a single unifying goal for the Federation as a whole, does not imply that the Federation has stagnated.

There's an old joke about the President of the Federation and the Emperor meeting for a drink. The Emperor sighs and says:

"It's hard being the Emperor, I rule over billions of people."

To which the President responds:

"You think that's hard? I'm the President ruling over billions of Presidents."

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Archbishop you may see God as the only true leader, but due to the fact that He did not stand as one of the candidates this excludes Him from becoming the leader of the Federation. Religious freedom in the Federation permits numerous faiths to flourish.

Beletre
Gallente
Posted - 2006.11.02 14:03:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Redpants
Blaque is more than a visionary in the prime of his time, he is above all a realist who sees how the Intaki and Minmatar are just piggybacking on the prosperity that was so hard fought for in the past.


Isn't that what all generations do? Build on the prosperity of their ancestors? You seem to be missing the fact that the 'prosperity that was so hard fought for in the past' wasn't fought for by Gallente alone. Intaki fought and died to help build the Federation. Minmatar fought and died to help build the Federation of today. Heck, some of the prosperity of today can be traced back to when the Caldari were still contributing to the Federation.
Furthermore, when the president does give an order, who does the work? When a new set of Sentry Guns are commissioned to protect the Gallente public, who is it who writes up the order forms for the various parts? Who is it that pours over the data to confirm the most effective type of Sentry Gun, and the best place to install it? Once the guns are ordered, who is it that fits the pieces together? Who is it that soders the wires, tightens the bolts, loads the equipment into the bays? The Intaki and Minmatar of the Federation do far more then merely 'piggyback'. Without them, the Federation would fall apart.


Originally by: Redpants
The timid voting populace in the remote outlying areas are confused about one thing. Because Blaque cares not for the other empries does not mean racism or inevitable war with them. It above all means that he loves true Gallente first, and he loves the Federation.((emphasis added))


Just as the Emperor loves True Amarr first? It is exactly this sort of thinking that shows the underlying racism rampant in the Federation. I can only hope you are not equally mistaken about the inevitability of war. I have no desire to see the Federation ripped apart in civil war. Not only for the horrors of the civil war itself, but for the aftermath, when other empires swoop in to divide up the survivors.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.11.02 18:27:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 02/11/2006 19:18:42
Originally by: Redpants
Edited by: Redpants on 02/11/2006 09:46:46
Edited by: Redpants on 02/11/2006 09:44:27
The great Senator Mentas Blaque akin to an "Amarrian Slaver Hound?" Really Ms. Brightman? I suppose you prefer the incompetence of Foiritan. A man who bumbles about his office daily unable to make decisions about when to crap let alone what's good for the free Gallente people.


This wasn't allready clear? Sloths are lazy and look ugly but are generaly otherwise harmless and a few more years of one is survivable, if not particulary disarable. Slaver hounds bite and tear and maim, they tear flesh from limbs and they tear people from their homes ("cultural habitats" anyone?) and they tear families appart (we can only hope the attitue you display to non-Gallentian people is a short-lived trend).


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Blaque is more than a visionary in the prime of his time, he is above all a realist who sees how the Intaki and Minmatar are just piggybacking on the prosperity that was so hard fought for in the past. What have they earned from us? Why do we owe them anything? We the Gallente proper do not.


I am Intaki. I am also Gallente. That does mean I come of mixed ancestry, but it also means I've been raised among both cultures and as an adult have come to appreciate the best of both. The Gallente legacy is one of freedom and equality, which you seem all to ready to abolish by holding Gallentians as "more equal" than the Intaki, Minmatar, Mannar, Jin-Mei and all the other dozens of smaller ethnicities who make the Federation their home.

It is not a question of "owing" anyone anything on either side.

Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité - Liberty, equality, Fraternity; brotherhood. The Federation was built by the four founding races working together, we've survived a devistating family feud when the Caldari left (a sorry time when fear comming from the administrations of both sides led them to forget liberty) and we've grown stronger with every new adoption to the fold. There is no "piggybacking" involved here. You want to call yourself a "true" Gallentian? Then live up to that legacy. Blaque is no true Gallentian when he would willingly cast asside what Gallente stands for: Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité.

Za Po
Caldari
Posted - 2006.11.03 17:38:00 - [38]
 

A few comments from outside the Federation:
Originally by: Britannica
from what I have seen of these events it was not corporations that fixed this, but rather Minmatar and Intaki living within federation borders wanting a president who can accept them as equals
True. And, since these are Federation citizens, it cannot be called "fixing the vote" - it's simply called "voting", and Blaque lost at that.
Originally by: Archbishop
Compare that to Amarr where ALL want God as a ruler.
I reckon the Minmatar people forcibly living in Amarr would beg to disagree.
Originally by: Damien Crescent
Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.
Given that the voter turnout was in the multi-trillion range, with Foiritan's margin being of several billions votes, the votes of a few tens of thousands pod captains would have been meaningless anyway. Maybe the superhuman power we are used to weild can go to one's head... but last time I checked, in the Gallente Federation, it's one man - one vote.

Ideologically speaking, I guess that if PCs weren't allowed to vote, it would be a violation of the ideals of your Federation. But don't kid yourself and think it would have made a difference.
Originally by: Maldon Perriera
And this is why we need blaque we need someone who will respect the millitary and use it when it is nessecary!
I am not sure that you were referring to pod captains. If you were, I'd like to mention that most pod captains are private citizens and are not directly employed to their nation's military. Rather, they do mercenary work.

((until faction warfare, at least))


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