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Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.29 14:50:00 - [1]
 

Fellow Gallente where is the outrage? Are we going to sit by while our rights our stolen? Do you truly believe that a caldari and amarr loving president would win relection in our great country! THE ELECTION WAS FIXED! Yes the corporate interests that supported fortrain fixed the election to insure that trade with the facist caldari and the religous extremist Amarr continues! I DEMAND A RECOUNT!! Gallente brothers do not let this election be stolen from you by CONCORD meddelers or corporate interests RISE UP!

Kizme
Posted - 2006.10.29 15:23:00 - [2]
 

so, you would rather have the racist psycho isolationist freak....

thanks for positioning yourself though, may rage of the sane come uppon RONA Midgard Academy

Twisted Evil

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.29 15:33:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kizme
so, you would rather have the racist psycho isolationist freak....

thanks for positioning yourself though, may rage of the sane come uppon RONA Midgard Academy

Twisted Evil

I would have liked to be able to vote.. but i guess youre not allowed to vote if you dont support Foiritan...

Britannica
Caldari
Legion of Ghost
Posted - 2006.10.29 15:54:00 - [4]
 

from what I have seen of these events it was not corporations that fixed this, but rather Minmatar and Intaki living within federation borders wanting a president who can accept them as equals

Jurskjeld
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.10.29 17:02:00 - [5]
 

Hopefully reforms will now spawn that work in favour of the Matari immigrants, that will ensure reduction in the poverty witnessed among the homeless.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.10.29 17:07:00 - [6]
 

I'm personally happy that Foiritan won the election. I think he's done more for the Federation - and the benefit of GalFed citizens - than Blaque could ever have done.

That said, I've also got to respect Senator Blaque for his statements supporting the president-elect, in his concession speech. Evidently some people in the Blaque camp still love a democracy.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.29 17:22:00 - [7]
 


Suspicion of a rigged election, voter suppresion, corporate conspiracy theories....

Yes the Gallente election is a clear example of "Democracy" at work and why it is a failure. I recently conducted a sermon on this very issue and why it was doomed from inception.

SERMON - GALLENTE DEMOCRACY AN ELECTION OF DESPAIR

How can you "vote" for a leader when the only true leader is God? Now you see the folly of your "Democracy" and the results. Hardly a mandate the "winner" barely won by one percent. That in itself means nearly half the voters DIDNT want him. Compare that to Amarr where ALL want God as a ruler.

Such a failure is to be expected from the people that brought us holovids and drugs.

Archbishop
PIE Priest

Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.10.29 18:48:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Archbishop
Compare that to Amarr where ALL want God as a ruler.

Such a failure is to be expected...



I'm sorry? What were you saying here? I wasn't paying attention, I was reading about our new leader...

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2006.10.29 18:54:00 - [9]
 

Archi' has trouble paying attention to details like facts, or truth. terrible affliction, that amarr disease..

lets see.. we could have a peaceful, bridge-building forward thinker concerned with the rights of all people.. or we could have an almost cartoon-like supernationalist boogieman who echos of fascist doctrine long past..

I think the right man won.

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:03:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Archi' has trouble paying attention to details like facts, or truth. terrible affliction, that amarr disease..

lets see.. we could have a peaceful, bridge-building forward thinker concerned with the rights of all people.. or we could have an almost cartoon-like supernationalist boogieman who echos of fascist doctrine long past..

I think the right man won.

Actually the peaceful, bridge-building forward thinker concerned with the rights of all people was forced out of the elections by the lieing, cheating and pocketlining bastard.

On top of that, a lot of voters where 'excluded' from the elections for 'security purposes'.

Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:21:00 - [11]
 

Midguard academy is apolitical my views are no ones but my own I want to make that clear. As for the amarr I would say whoose God is your leader? A god that endorses slavery? That is not the god I whorship. Seperate is not unequal, but do we really want a president who doesn't believe in upliffting the millitary? I am not alone in my views many of the planet bound feel the way I do. Do you really think there are enough intaki to make the kind of difference in this election? No. How exactly is it facist to not want people to defect from the country? Are we a country or merly a collection of equal states? WE ARE A COUNTRY. A country you do not have the right to leave at your whim. How would the cldari act if one of their systems wanted to defect to the minitar or the amar? The same way we acted when they wanted to defect do not fool yourselves.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Britannica
from what I have seen of these events it was not corporations that fixed this, but rather Minmatar and Intaki living within federation borders wanting a president who can accept them as equals


It's ironic that the majority of people who voted for someone who actually believes in equality, weren't Gallente. Afterall, the Gallente love freedom and equality...Rolling Eyes


It's funny how Federation pilots cry about not being allowed to vote. I bet many of you are so disconnected from the planetbound populations that you haven't a clue what's going on in your own 'home', of which some of you do not even reside.

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.29 21:32:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
It's funny how Federation pilots cry about not being allowed to vote. I bet many of you are so disconnected from the planetbound populations that you haven't a clue what's going on in your own 'home', of which some of you do not even reside.

I fail to see how this is relevant to anything, the foundation of the Federation used to be that every single citizen carries an equal voice regardeless of race, occupation, social status or whether theyre planet bound or a capsuleer.

Its regretable that the Federation is no longer the shining beacon of freedom it once was.

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2006.10.29 22:00:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
Fellow Gallente where is the outrage? Are we going to sit by while our rights our stolen? Do you truly believe that a caldari and amarr loving president would win relection in our great country! THE ELECTION WAS FIXED! Yes the corporate interests that supported fortrain fixed the election to insure that trade with the facist caldari and the religous extremist Amarr continues! I DEMAND A RECOUNT!! Gallente brothers do not let this election be stolen from you by CONCORD meddelers or corporate interests RISE UP!


I think you are trippin'.

Lay off the X-Instinct.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:07:00 - [15]
 

Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.

Tyr Vaantau
Amarr
Ragnarok Engineering
Clear Skies Darkening
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:18:00 - [17]
 

Personally, I'm glad that Foiritan won.

It's one step backwards from full out war.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:36:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Damien Crescent
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.


I don't know where this meme that pod pilots weren't allowed to vote started, but it's a rather vicious one. Polling places were open at several Fed-owned stations as well as many of the schools, or alternately you could go down planetside. I'm based out of the Fed Navy station in Stacmon and had to go through a lot of red tape to get an absentee ballot (as I'm still regestred planetside in Bourynes, haven't been in Placid long enough), but I did indeed vote against Blaque in the presidential election.

((OOC: Just because CCP didn't have an official vote doesn't mean that pilots were barred from voting IC. That's my story and I'm sticking to it unless a higher up wants to correct me.))

Eden Ramani
Intaki Mining and Exploration.
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Originally by: Damien Crescent
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.


I don't know where this meme that pod pilots weren't allowed to vote started, but it's a rather vicious one. Polling places were open at several Fed-owned stations as well as many of the schools, or alternately you could go down planetside. I'm based out of the Fed Navy station in Stacmon and had to go through a lot of red tape to get an absentee ballot (as I'm still regestred planetside in Bourynes, haven't been in Placid long enough), but I did indeed vote against Blaque in the presidential election.

((OOC: Just because CCP didn't have an official vote doesn't mean that pilots were barred from voting IC. That's my story and I'm sticking to it unless a higher up wants to correct me.))


All lies.

Pod pilots have to take different routs for political change. This complacent ideology of collaboration you harbor is a detriment to the people.

Federation Democracy is not Democracy, it is corruption and vile. The near concentration camp creation proves the foul nature of the Federation. It is time for a change, for Separatism. The fleet grows.


Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.30 00:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Eden Ramani

All lies.

Pod pilots have to take different routs for political change. This complacent ideology of collaboration you harbor is a detriment to the people.

Federation Democracy is not Democracy, it is corruption and vile. The near concentration camp creation proves the foul nature of the Federation. It is time for a change, for Separatism. The fleet grows.




If you prefer to believe that I was halucinating for the entire day, be my guest. (For the record, I abhor the use of illegal boosters and the shady characters they fund.)

If Blaque had actualy won...well, let's just say that there would be quite a lot less "complacency" and leave it at that. In the comming months we'll be back at the business of dealing with Fortian's many failings but the greater of two evils has been dealt with for now.

Considering the history between your corporation and what has recently become mine, I had best insert the obligitory disclaimer that I do not speak for Placid Reborn and nothing I say should be taken as an offical statement of anything but my own views. Nor at this time am I going to touch the sepritism arguements with an Incursus' fang much less a ten foot pole, mostly because most anything I could say about it has been said by someone else allready.

Darion Kell
Team Americas
Posted - 2006.10.30 01:05:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Eden Ramani
The near concentration camp creation proves the foul nature of the Federation.


Well, it's a good thing that Foirtain won the election then. Yes, there is corruption, hatred, and xenophobia within the Federation, if you look closely you'll find it in the Empire, State, and Republic, as well any number of non-affiliated independent corporations, but if anything, this election proved that there's still enough people in the Federation who prefer freedom and diplomacy over fear/war-mongering and xenophobic tendencies. One other thing it also showed, is how disturbingly narrow that margin is between freedom and hatred.

Fortunately, it seems that those who are most at risk of losing their freedoms, or who have known what it means not to be free, banded together and helped put Mr. Foirtain over the hump to win the election.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.10.30 02:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Damien Crescent
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
It's funny how Federation pilots cry about not being allowed to vote. I bet many of you are so disconnected from the planetbound populations that you haven't a clue what's going on in your own 'home', of which some of you do not even reside.

I fail to see how this is relevant to anything, the foundation of the Federation used to be that every single citizen carries an equal voice regardeless of race, occupation, social status or whether theyre planet bound or a capsuleer.

Its regretable that the Federation is no longer the shining beacon of freedom it once was.


Your Federation stopped being a shining beacon of freedom a few hundred years ago.

Eden Ramani
Intaki Mining and Exploration.
Posted - 2006.10.30 03:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
I had best insert the obligitory disclaimer that I do not speak for Placid Reborn and nothing I say should be taken as an offical statement of anything but my own views. Nor at this time am I going to touch the sepritism arguements with an Incursus' fang much less a ten foot pole, mostly because most anything I could say about it has been said by someone else allready.


as a member of the corporation Placid Reborn your views are of course the views of the corporation, or at least a percentage part of what makes the whole view. Placid Reborn is compliant with your ideals or they would do something about it. I never understood why people think their words do not in at least someway reflect their corporation.

but regardless the "Sepratism Issue" view of your corporation has already been decided by the public statements of your leadership and on your communications portal. As a member of the corporation Placid Reborn you support their ideals, which in this case are as collaborator with the Federation. Do not expect middle ground neutrality as long as you work for such blatant race traitors.

that was a great metaphor though.

Darion Kell
Team Americas
Posted - 2006.10.30 04:04:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Eden Ramani
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
I had best insert the obligitory disclaimer that I do not speak for Placid Reborn and nothing I say should be taken as an offical statement of anything but my own views. Nor at this time am I going to touch the sepritism arguements with an Incursus' fang much less a ten foot pole, mostly because most anything I could say about it has been said by someone else allready.


as a member of the corporation Placid Reborn your views are of course the views of the corporation, or at least a percentage part of what makes the whole view. Placid Reborn is compliant with your ideals or they would do something about it. I never understood why people think their words do not in at least someway reflect their corporation.

but regardless the "Sepratism Issue" view of your corporation has already been decided by the public statements of your leadership and on your communications portal. As a member of the corporation Placid Reborn you support their ideals, which in this case are as collaborator with the Federation. Do not expect middle ground neutrality as long as you work for such blatant race traitors.

that was a great metaphor though.



You mean the same way every Ammarian supports slavery, the way every Gallentean is a druggie, every Caldari is an isolationist, and every Matari is a foaming-at-the-mouth terrorist/freedom-fighter? People are all entitled to their own opinions, and there is a distinct difference between what a member of a corporation says and what the corporation's stance on an issue is. I'm sure that if you polled everyone in your corp there would be differences of opinion as well.

Eden Ramani
Intaki Mining and Exploration.
Posted - 2006.10.30 05:08:00 - [25]
 

of course some minor opinions vary, but not on the core issues. you will not find a collaborator among Intaki Union, just like there is no Freedom Fighters among the pro-Federation Placid Reborn.

what sort of sorry excuse for a corporation has no center, no view, no combined focus? I assume even for the collaborating race traitors of Placid Reborn you stand by the statements you make. Jalia has been caught in a lie for sure, but for the most you all seem to be honest, if duplicitous in the corruption of the Federation.

A corporation is the sum of its parts, if a member says a thing it reflects on that entire group. it may not sum up all of what that group is, but by allowing that person to be a member you are endorsing them for good or ill.

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.30 09:42:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Damien Crescent on 30/10/2006 09:50:07
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Originally by: Damien Crescent
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Well *I* took the time to vote. ;p

Vote for what? You, along with the rest of us where not allowed to vote in the election. Our voices are meaningless.


I don't know where this meme that pod pilots weren't allowed to vote started, but it's a rather vicious one. Polling places were open at several Fed-owned stations as well as many of the schools, or alternately you could go down planetside. I'm based out of the Fed Navy station in Stacmon and had to go through a lot of red tape to get an absentee ballot (as I'm still regestred planetside in Bourynes, haven't been in Placid long enough), but I did indeed vote against Blaque in the presidential election.

Which case you managed to vote illegally, if you can walk into a random voting booth and managed to cast a vote then im sure other people managed to vote more then once as well.

I guess it shows to show how far the Federation has degraded.

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
In the comming months we'll be back at the business of dealing with Fortian's many failings but the greater of two evils has been dealt with for now.

So you condone or even support the complete and total abuse of his position and power used to force Autrech out of the election? If the Federation had still been the shining star it once was people wouldnt have to pick the 'greater of two evils' but instead would pick the only candidate worthy of representing the Federation.

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
((OOC: Just because CCP didn't have an official vote doesn't mean that pilots were barred from voting IC. That's my story and I'm sticking to it unless a higher up wants to correct me.))

(( CCP creates the PF, if they dont allow us to vote then we as characters are not allowed to vote. I dont care too much though Wink ))

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.30 11:38:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Damien Crescent

Which case you managed to vote illegally, if you can walk into a random voting booth and managed to cast a vote then im sure other people managed to vote more then once as well.


There is no "walk into a random voting booth", there are clerks to whom you must present valid ID and ensure you are registered to vote in that district (and ensure that someone doesn't vote twice). Are pod pilots really so ignorant of the electoral process? Have they never voted planetside in elections for local offices?


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So you condone or even support the complete and total abuse of his position and power used to force Autrech out of the election?


And what evidence of that do you have? (I'd much rather have voted for Autrech too.)

Fortian is a lazy jungle sloth who cares more about his comfortable position in the tree than anything going on down below, has gotten fat and complacent from his safe perch and has done little or nothing to adress the Federation's most serious issues, the one closest to me right now being the condition of Placid and the Intaki homeworld. That's what I really think of him.

Blaque, on the other hand, is more like an Ammarian slaver hound.

Lecuring me about the horrible state of the Federation government is preaching to the choir. I'll still take it, eyes wide open, over the conditions of the Caldari or Ammar (Minmatar societies I tend to respect as well, but I doubt I could really live there without having been born into their culture). I could always pack up and head into space outside the Empires but I do not believe, as the Star Faction does, that becoming a pod pilot makes me a superior being seperate from the rest of the human races. I have friends and family who live on Federation planets and Federation space; I value them and I would not want to sever ties with them. (Blaque's proposed policy of moving Intaki and Matari to ghettos-I-mean-"cultural habitats" would almost certianly have impacted my family negatively, and had it come to pass then I would be back in Bourynes helping them fight it.)



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(( CCP creates the PF, if they dont allow us to vote then we as characters are not allowed to vote. I dont care too much though Wink ))

((CCP didn't create Intaki Sepratisim. >:) ))

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.10.30 13:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman

((CCP didn't create Intaki Sepratisim. >:) ))


well no, this sub section of SCC did not, that would be GoGo and a few others. see what a couple of pod pilots can do?

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2006.10.30 15:31:00 - [29]
 

I know I voted, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't under the influence of anything.

For those of you frothing over Senator Blaque's alleged xenophobic nature, which was obviously an effective series of attack ads against his credibility by the Foiritan supporters, you'll be happy to note he'll most likely be seated in the Senate for several more years as the leader of the Sociocrat party, where he'll be assisting with the creation of laws and generally maintaining the bureaucracy of the nation. So, if you were worried about his potential as President, you should be doubly concerned about his influence over the law-making body of the nation. Or did you stop to notice that the President isn't responsible for such things?

The whole thing is ludicrous, and honestly I'm surprised so many people were duped by the propaganda ads. If it was up to some groups, they'd have you believe he eats young immigrant children and kidnaps Intaki during the night.

Personally, I'm quite impressed so many citizens turned out to participate in the voting process and that the people were heard. Perhaps now with the Federation government in one piece, they can move on to the pertinent issues that affect the nation.

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.30 16:29:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
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So you condone or even support the complete and total abuse of his position and power used to force Autrech out of the election?


And what evidence of that do you have? (I'd much rather have voted for Autrech too.)

2004.10.14
1 year, 11 months and 16 days ago did the Senate vote Foiritan out of office and where the upcoming elections announced. Then the current ruling body delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed the elections untill eventually Autrech party ran out of money.

Autrech was forced out of the elections, everyone knows it and everyone knows why, he would have won by a land slide.

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Lecuring me about the horrible state of the Federation government is preaching to the choir.

Good to know, i shall stop doing so then. Smile


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