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Lord Elric
Gallente
Obsidian Industries
Posted - 2006.10.29 11:21:00 - [31]
 

Obsidian Industries would like to extend their congratulations to President Foiritan.
Sanity has prevailed

Se'la Rox
Caldari
Lensmen
Posted - 2006.10.29 11:47:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Jack Quadros
I would not be so sure that war with my fellow Caldari will come to pass, now that Blaque has failed to win the Presidency. At least with President Foritain, there is a chance that the Caldari will see the peaceful return of Caldari Prime and perhaps even an alliance with the Federation.


Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.

Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
Posted - 2006.10.29 11:56:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Se'la Rox
Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.


If you want Caldari Prime, why don't you just move here? Maybe you'll find the Federation is better than the State.

Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.29 14:44:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Jack Quadros
I would not be so sure that war with my fellow Caldari will come to pass, now that Blaque has failed to win the Presidency. At least with President Foritain, there is a chance that the Caldari will see the peaceful return of Caldari Prime and perhaps even an alliance with the Federation.


Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.


Your birthright was membership in the federation, a birthright that you squandered and rejected. The federation is not merly a treaty signed between equally soverign countries that you can leave at will but a seperate country and empire that you give up some of your sovrenity to win you join and you do not have the right to leave. Something the south of the ancient earth country United America learned long ago. I only hope soon the cldari shall have the same lesson.

Se'la Rox
Caldari
Lensmen
Posted - 2006.10.29 16:09:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
Your birthright was membership in the federation, a birthright that you squandered and rejected. The federation is not merly a treaty signed between equally soverign countries that you can leave at will but a seperate country and empire that you give up some of your sovrenity to win you join and you do not have the right to leave. Something the south of the ancient earth country United America learned long ago. I only hope soon the cldari shall have the same lesson.


So much for the Federation's principal of "freedom"...

You tried to take our freedom. You took our world. You slaughtered innocent people. Our people. Don't be surprised when you end up reaping the whirlwind when the time comes.

It doesn't really matter who won the election, the winner will live to see Luminaire in flames eventually.

Damien Crescent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.29 18:42:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Jack Quadros
I would not be so sure that war with my fellow Caldari will come to pass, now that Blaque has failed to win the Presidency. At least with President Foritain, there is a chance that the Caldari will see the peaceful return of Caldari Prime and perhaps even an alliance with the Federation.


Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.

Your birthright was membership in the federation, a birthright that you squandered and rejected. The federation is not merly a treaty signed between equally soverign countries that you can leave at will but a seperate country and empire that you give up some of your sovrenity to win you join and you do not have the right to leave. Something the south of the ancient earth country United America learned long ago. I only hope soon the cldari shall have the same lesson.

I think you win the awared for being the most uninformed junkie on galnet... you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:51:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Jack Quadros
I would not be so sure that war with my fellow Caldari will come to pass, now that Blaque has failed to win the Presidency. At least with President Foritain, there is a chance that the Caldari will see the peaceful return of Caldari Prime and perhaps even an alliance with the Federation.


Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.


Your birthright was membership in the federation, a birthright that you squandered and rejected. The federation is not merly a treaty signed between equally soverign countries that you can leave at will but a seperate country and empire that you give up some of your sovrenity to win you join and you do not have the right to leave. Something the south of the ancient earth country United America learned long ago. I only hope soon the cldari shall have the same lesson.


Oh god, more 'earth' fairytales.

Our membership in your Federation was Caldari Prime joined it, and when you found that there were colonies that pre-dated us joining the Federation, you wanted a cut of their lives, and offered nothing in return.

You wanted to assimilate us and make us accept your way of life, without you being able to accept that we were different, and letting us be equals. You attacked Caldari Prime over colonies you had no right to demand anything from, and your Federation made it quit clear that leaving the Federation, to you Gallente, is war. You attacked the general populace over the acts of a select group, and many of you seem to happily ignore the fact that our fighters showed far more restraint, and stood and fought your navy instead of bombing your cities to ashes when they broke through your blockade.

The Amarr atleast admit to being slavers, so why can't the Gallente?Rolling Eyes

Our birthright was as much to join the Federation as to leave it. However since the Gallente took far more than they gave, the Caldari leaving the Federation was something they didn't want, and war came because of it, and now, we are an example to all others of what you can acccomplish without the shackles of the Federation.

Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:53:00 - [38]
 

As a historian I know more than many of you since I am the first in my family to become a pod piolit I am more connected to what the planet bound believe than many. The federation is an empire like any other more free than most but still ruled by government and law. You do not simply leave an empire and expect to be patted on the back as you walk out the door.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:54:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Damien Crescent
I think you win the awared for being the most uninformed junkie on galnet... you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.


I cannot believe it, a member of The Scope who shows intelligence!Shocked

Eden Ramani
Intaki Mining and Exploration.
Posted - 2006.10.29 19:59:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
You do not simply leave an empire and expect to be patted on the back as you walk out the door.


"We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to
liberty in a feather-bed."

these words are know to every freedom fighter, blood must be spilled. We accept it, the path of Ida demands sacrifice for the greater good.


Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2006.10.30 08:10:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Maldon Perriera
Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Jack Quadros
I would not be so sure that war with my fellow Caldari will come to pass, now that Blaque has failed to win the Presidency. At least with President Foritain, there is a chance that the Caldari will see the peaceful return of Caldari Prime and perhaps even an alliance with the Federation.


Don't fool yourself. The Federation has no intention of ever returning our birthright to us. We have no option but to take it by force.

One way or another, this will end in fire.


Your birthright was membership in the federation, a birthright that you squandered and rejected. The federation is not merly a treaty signed between equally soverign countries that you can leave at will but a seperate country and empire that you give up some of your sovrenity to win you join and you do not have the right to leave. Something the south of the ancient earth country United America learned long ago. I only hope soon the cldari shall have the same lesson.


Oh god, more 'earth' fairytales.

Our membership in your Federation was Caldari Prime joined it, and when you found that there were colonies that pre-dated us joining the Federation, you wanted a cut of their lives, and offered nothing in return.

You wanted to assimilate us and make us accept your way of life, without you being able to accept that we were different, and letting us be equals. You attacked Caldari Prime over colonies you had no right to demand anything from, and your Federation made it quit clear that leaving the Federation, to you Gallente, is war. You attacked the general populace over the acts of a select group, and many of you seem to happily ignore the fact that our fighters showed far more restraint, and stood and fought your navy instead of bombing your cities to ashes when they broke through your blockade.

The Amarr atleast admit to being slavers, so why can't the Gallente?Rolling Eyes

Our birthright was as much to join the Federation as to leave it. However since the Gallente took far more than they gave, the Caldari leaving the Federation was something they didn't want, and war came because of it, and now, we are an example to all others of what you can acccomplish without the shackles of the Federation.


Unless you have access to some corrupted files (in which case i recommend to update them or delete them). Caldari nation was a founding member of the Federation.

And that means the WHOLE Caldari Nation as the rest of the founding members thought. Not only a part of it. So when suddenly it was made public that your State had decided that it could found colonies and keep them hidden for not taiming them with the rest of the Federation citizens, it was only logical for the administration to ask for the turn of these colonies under the Federation administration.

So instead of starting pointing fingers around and spitting useless and pointless threats, start by doing a check of what you did wrong and try to fixi it (because it's still there if you get my hint).

I am sick of people like you that try to prove themeselves and what they hold dear innocent, even though they know that there are skeletons in their closets too.

We have accepted our mistakes and we try hard, not to see them repeated.

What are you doing?
Think about it

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.11.02 18:59:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
As a historian I know more than many of you since I am the first in my family to become a pod piolit I am more connected to what the planet bound believe than many.


You're giving us historians a bad name with your ravings.

Redpants
Gallente
Dark Star LTD
Posted - 2006.11.02 19:16:00 - [43]
 

While taking your corporate holidays to celebrate Foritans return to office, one of you should get him a gift.

I think a brand new chair would be appropriate so he can be more comfortable while sitting on his ass.

Se'la Rox
Caldari
Lensmen
Posted - 2006.11.03 17:34:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Redpants
I think a brand new chair would be appropriate


Actually, I agree. How many volts? Twisted Evil

Tolliver Caspian
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.11.03 18:49:00 - [45]
 

How did I know that this thread, intended for those who want to wish President Foiritan well in his second term of office, would devolve into more useless chest-thumping and mud-slinging revolving around Caldari Prime. So sad...

At any rate, I would like to join the (more sensible) ones who have offered their congratulations to the President. May the wisdom of your ancestors guide your hand for the next five years.

Able Citizen
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.11.03 21:21:00 - [46]
 

I have renewed faith in the possibilites of changing the Federation from within based on these election results.

While the closeness of the vote indicates that there is a significant amount of division within the Federation, it is my hope that President Foiritan will acknowledge that and work to make the necessary reforms creating a more transparent and democratic government.

Best wishes to President Foiritan.

Miya Kurosawa
Caldari
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
Posted - 2006.11.04 10:55:00 - [47]
 

Perhaps in the next 5 years we will see an improvement in the Gallente-Caldari relations. Congratulations Mr. President.

Noden Vorpalstar
Gallente
The Knights Of Polaris
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2006.11.04 18:06:00 - [48]
 

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate President Foiritan on his reelection. May the next five years be prosperous to the Federation. The Gallentean Federation stands firm as a leader in democratic values, freedom, security, and peace for all peoples.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.11.04 20:46:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Unless you have access to some corrupted files (in which case i recommend to update them or delete them). Caldari nation was a founding member of the Federation.

And that means the WHOLE Caldari Nation as the rest of the founding members thought. Not only a part of it. So when suddenly it was made public that your State had decided that it could found colonies and keep them hidden for not taiming them with the rest of the Federation citizens, it was only logical for the administration to ask for the turn of these colonies under the Federation administration.


First, it was Caldari Prime which joined the Federation, not colonies that pre-dated the Federation. Had those colonies wanted to be a part of it, they'd have done so. While I undertsnad that freedom of choice is something most Gallente do not understand, the colonies exercised theirs in not being a part of the Federation, of which the Gallente people wasted no time in tasking control of for themselves, throwing 'equality' to the wind.

And as a founding member of the Federation, as you put it, the Gallente people had no authority to demand the Caldari people remain a part of it. Unless you show me documentation of the Federation stating that leaving is simply not an option, I suggest you be silent.

And as for the Federation trying to not repeat its past mistakes, I'm sure the Intaki in Placid aren't exactly thrilled when they see how 'equal' they are treated compared to the Gallente. Then you have the Minmatar immigrants, who live in poverty and conditions that are hardly better, if not worse, than what some slaves in the Empire live in.

You need to stop 'trying' and start doing. Rather than let people think the Federation will carry their dead weight, make them earn their living like the State citizens do.

Those of the State who accept a hard day's work, and can abide by rules and regulations, live quite a nice live. Nothing that can compare to a pod-pilot's ofcourse, but better than what I see Intaki and Minmatar suffer through in the Federation.


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