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Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:51:00 - [151]
 

Cool
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Black Scorpio
So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


600dps from drones would shut me up, yes.

It'd also make a kick ass forward observer for a carrier...


Here you go, one happy brother! Hey CCP, open those Christmas bags a bit earlier and start handing out drone space, it makes Gallente happy, and there's nothing better on a forum than seeing Gallente not whine! Yaayyyy !!!

Cheers! Cool

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:53:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Black Scorpio

So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


I think that would be overpowered, but I haven't done the DPS calculations so not sure. It *sounds* overpowered.

The last thing I want is an overpowered ship. I want a BC that is on equal footing with the others, dammit, nothing more nothing less.



compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses with 5 med drones with ship bonuses.

or, since people are so eager to add heavy drones + dmg bonuses or smth, compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses at all with 5 heavy drones with ship bonuses.


Oh thats no fun, for the purposes of sarcasm assume he meant current bonus + 1 drone control/level. Very Happy

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:53:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 21:54:10
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Cool
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Black Scorpio
So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


600dps from drones would shut me up, yes.

It'd also make a kick ass forward observer for a carrier...


Here you go, one happy brother! Hey CCP, open those Christmas bags a bit earlier and start handing out drone space, it makes Gallente happy, and there's nothing better on a forum than seeing Gallente not whine! Yaayyyy !!!

Cheers! Cool



it looks like we've just reach somewhere in this long flammageLaughing

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Black Scorpio

So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


I think that would be overpowered, but I haven't done the DPS calculations so not sure. It *sounds* overpowered.

The last thing I want is an overpowered ship. I want a BC that is on equal footing with the others, dammit, nothing more nothing less.



compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses with 5 med drones with ship bonuses.

or, since people are so eager to add heavy drones + dmg bonuses or smth, compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses at all with 5 heavy drones with ship bonuses.


Oh thats no fun, for the purposes of sarcasm assume he meant current bonus + 1 drone control/level. Very Happy


Laughing

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:57:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio

Invalidating other's people comments makes you happy is it? English not being their first language is a basis to flame? lol, English is my first language! If missed words mean so much to you you should look up that English teacher you had in 5th grade and marry her (maybe you already have).

The point of the matter, is that CCP hasn't done this for a reason. Would you like to say they're really so incompetent and so quick to release a ship that does the same DPS as your Vexor? This is not the case m8, as you're trying everyone on this forum trying to believe!

English enough for you?


Sigh. First off, I said I *wasn't* going to comment on language since I assumed you're not a native. Since you are: work on your writing :)

(I'm *not* a native, which makes it slightly more amusing :)

Then: the whole point of this forum is to figure out bugs in Kali, to balance ships, etc. No, I don't think CCP is above making balance mistakes, in fact history *proves* that they make them all the time. It's no wonder, you have a few individual people doing ship stats and thousands of volunteers (that'd be us Very Happy) arguing endlessly about them and spending all too many hours doing tests and DPS calcs.

We *are* the (preliminary) test department. Twisted Evil

Believe me or not, I really do want a balance in the new ship types, I *don't* want an overpowered Gallente ship -- because it would just get the nerfbat next. I want a solid ship that's fun to fly and which is on the same power level as the other BCs. Is that too much to ask?

Right now, it looks like the other 3 BCs all rock, and the Myrmidon is a bit lacking.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:59:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei
Originally by: Alex Harumichi


Please crawl back under your rock.Numerous tests show that at the moment it isn't, it needs some help. It's that simple.

Remember that with the ECM nerf, the days of the ECM drone boats is over. You're not going to see ECM Myrmidons (or ECM Doms, for that matter). That whole ship type got a (much needed) nerf.


OH RLY?- the myrmidons i just saw solo 2 drakes on the test server thanks to good piloting and med drones (and admittedly the fact that pilots haven't had time to tran up heavy assault missile skills). What peopl fail to realise is that while kali is giving you an ECM nerf its ALSO giving you a NOS boost in the form of longer fight time- a 3 nos 1 neut mrymid has an evil cap drain ability while with the new hitpoint boost can sustain a dual rep tank. , but i freely admit it needs some tweaking, I saw it go up against a skilled hurricane ansd yes it did die after a long fight. Heck you can even have a slightly larger drone bay, i'd be fine with a 150m3 bay because you'd still be crippled if another pilot destroys your drones (this seems to be your major gripe). My post was really aimed at all the idiots who want a 250m3 bay and a med hybrid bonus- you just seem to be calling everyone else a troll and whining, i havn't seen you post a single specifc suggested change yet- you just shout "it needs to be changed" from the rooftops. Incidentally the thorax outdamages the ferox and the prophecy and he brtuix some BS-


Precisely. What for example stops a pilot from NOS_ing his target to death while arm repping itself? Then release the drones when it's target is left with no shield/armor rep capabilities? I'll tell you what, nothing.And no ,a caldari can't fit so and so NOS, because we simply DO NOT have the luxury of 4 or 5 heavy drones, not to mention the freaking 10 med drone apparent advantage.

As I mentioned there are creative people in this game and that simply means that you would have to use your brains for once.

Btw, just because a Hurricane beat the Myrmidon once it does not mean it's gimped. Is it supposed to ALWAYS win to call it at par? .. wow.. go play it may help you!

English enough for you? Cool


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:00:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:04:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?


Further more, once anyone gets a web on one of your heavy drones, you're NOT recalling it lol. It's as good as dead. Won't be any need for retargeting.


You are going to be pounding me.. and I in return are going to be 'playing' with webbing your drones...

gee, people can teach you new 'tactics' every day, don't they.. uuu look at these pretty shiny things that fly around, let me slow it down to look at it better... very productive for the 15-30 seconds you have in 1v1 PvP


PvP w/ Kali is measured in minutes, not seconds. With the Hurricane I can web/kill all 4 heavies before I'm into half armor, and this is assuming I get into range of the Myrmidon's guns, which if you're smart, you won't for the first part of the fight. AFTER you've killed it's drones, THEN you move in and kill it.

It's such a simple concept, even a monkey could do it.

Lol, if a Myrmidon pilot lets you escape his guns, then he isn't doing something right. Even if that's the case why wouldn't he simply quit a losing battle, since apparently he and apparently you are out of range?

I guess there's more than 1 way to do a monkey business. You have 1 battle and that should really convince everyone of a ships abilities? Hardly so m8, there are much more creative people in this game than what you're making the eve players out to be...


The Hurricane is faster than the Myrmidon. With a 20km scram I can dicate range quite easily. With two webs, even more so. I haven't just fought one fight. I've fought numerous fights with multiple setups against a wide variety of players. You keep making the assumption that I don't know what I'm doing and don't know what I'm talking about. You couldn't be more wrong.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:06:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Black Scorpio

Invalidating other's people comments makes you happy is it? English not being their first language is a basis to flame? lol, English is my first language! If missed words mean so much to you you should look up that English teacher you had in 5th grade and marry her (maybe you already have).

The point of the matter, is that CCP hasn't done this for a reason. Would you like to say they're really so incompetent and so quick to release a ship that does the same DPS as your Vexor? This is not the case m8, as you're trying everyone on this forum trying to believe!

English enough for you?


Sigh. First off, I said I *wasn't* going to comment on language since I assumed you're not a native. Since you are: work on your writing :)

(I'm *not* a native, which makes it slightly more amusing :)

Then: the whole point of this forum is to figure out bugs in Kali, to balance ships, etc. No, I don't think CCP is above making balance mistakes, in fact history *proves* that they make them all the time. It's no wonder, you have a few individual people doing ship stats and thousands of volunteers (that'd be us Very Happy) arguing endlessly about them and spending all too many hours doing tests and DPS calcs.

We *are* the (preliminary) test department. Twisted Evil

Believe me or not, I really do want a balance in the new ship types, I *don't* want an overpowered Gallente ship -- because it would just get the nerfbat next. I want a solid ship that's fun to fly and which is on the same power level as the other BCs. Is that too much to ask?

Right now, it looks like the other 3 BCs all rock, and the Myrmidon is a bit lacking.



Well brother, I hope you're sincere in your desires to achieve balance, usually it seems that people do this MOSTLY for their selfish reasons. And as I mention, it is good to have a forum on this I am just so Sick and Tired of ONLY Gallente pilots flooding them and blasting left and right that see their ships are underpowered. I didn't see nearly as many of the other races pilots out here, and I am far from assuming their ships are perfect.

I'd say let the ships be. If there is this obvious gap in the Myrmidon's stats, I'm sure it will not go unnoticed. Preliminary 1-10 test fights do not and cannot decide it. It is simply not realistic. The fact that it might be so that Gallente pilots participate more in testing than other races, does not give them the right to turn the tables in their favor.

Hope you are actually trying to see what I am sayig and not just pounding on the same spot!

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:07:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz


With the 1200 grid it already has 5x ions a mwd and med rep w/ injector are almost impossible to fit as it is. With 1000 grid trying to fit 6 guns *will* be impossible.

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:09:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio
So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


Would be overpowered since 10 drones under the current system would be 20 drones under the old system... wouldn't help with lag either. Personally my initial reaction would be to give it a 200m3 drone bay in return for losing 1 a high slot or trading 2 highs for 1 low and probably lowering the grid accordingly. It would have to be tested though.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:09:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: murder one
The Hurricane is faster than the Myrmidon. With a 20km scram I can dicate range quite easily. With two webs, even more so. I haven't just fought one fight. I've fought numerous fights with multiple setups against a wide variety of players. You keep making the assumption that I don't know what I'm doing and don't know what I'm talking about. You couldn't be more wrong.


No I don't assume that. But you assume that everyone in game will make the choices you do or fight at the full knowledge of who's facing who. This simply is not the case! Testing is one thing, reality always proved it is somehow a bit different now, isn't it!

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:11:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:15:14
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz


With the 1200 grid it already has 5x ions a mwd and med rep w/ injector are almost impossible to fit as it is. With 1000 grid trying to fit 6 guns *will* be impossible.



however it can field 10 med/scout drones.

think of it like this:

tank in lows

injector/Ewar/web/whatev stuff in meds

low-grade guns in high slots

for example

6x T2 D150mm's

MWD
injector
web
scram
2x damps or TD's

tank in lows.

uses all the bonuses of the ship and still has space for Ewar.


Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Black Scorpio
So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


Would be overpowered since 10 drones under the current system would be 20 drones under the old system... wouldn't help with lag either. Personally my initial reaction would be to give it a 200m3 drone bay in return for losing 1 a high slot or trading 2 highs for 1 low and probably lowering the grid accordingly. It would have to be tested though.


wrong.
if you think about it a bit the drone dmg bonus is intended to double each drone effectiveness, meaning that 5 drones + ship dmg bonus = 10 drones in the old system

since the ship doesn't have a drone dmg bonus, it is the same as having a drone damage bonus.

however, it will make it harder to eliminate the drone component of the ship (thus a big lump of it's firepower) because it is more spreaded out thru more drones.

as for the lag, well, it is 10 drones. I cannot compete with such thing.
Never said it didn't had any drawbackEmbarassed

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:13:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz


With the 1200 grid it already has 5x ions a mwd and med rep w/ injector are almost impossible to fit as it is. With 1000 grid trying to fit 6 guns *will* be impossible.



however it can field 10 med/scout drones.

think of it like this:

tank in lows

injector/Ewar/web/whatev stuff in meds

low-grade guns in high slots

for example

6x T2 D150mm's

MWD
injector
web
scram
2x damps or TD's

tank in lows.

uses all the bonuses of the ship and still has space for Ewar.


This is amazing, another UBER boat. Now lets add bonuses for each! Laughing

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:17:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz


With the 1200 grid it already has 5x ions a mwd and med rep w/ injector are almost impossible to fit as it is. With 1000 grid trying to fit 6 guns *will* be impossible.



however it can field 10 med/scout drones.

think of it like this:

tank in lows

injector/Ewar/web/whatev stuff in meds

low-grade guns in high slots

for example

6x T2 D150mm's

MWD
injector
web
scram
2x damps or TD's

tank in lows.

uses all the bonuses of the ship and still has space for Ewar.


This is amazing, another UBER boat. Now lets add bonuses for each! Laughing
Razz


if it is still overpowered in your eyes, remove the hybrid dmg bonus thenCool

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:21:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Grimpak


wrong.
if you think about it a bit the drone dmg bonus is intended to double each drone effectiveness, meaning that 5 drones + ship dmg bonus = 10 drones in the old system

since the ship doesn't have a drone dmg bonus, it is the same as having a drone damage bonus.


5 drones + 10% dmg/lvl = 7.5 drones actually.. however there is also drone interfacing which gives 20% dmg/lvl, so:

10 drones * 100% dmg from DI5 = 20 drones equivelant

technically would be 24 equivelant due to 25% drone dmb from combat drone op which wasn't around previously...

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:25:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Grimpak


wrong.
if you think about it a bit the drone dmg bonus is intended to double each drone effectiveness, meaning that 5 drones + ship dmg bonus = 10 drones in the old system

since the ship doesn't have a drone dmg bonus, it is the same as having a drone damage bonus.


5 drones + 10% dmg/lvl = 7.5 drones actually.. however there is also drone interfacing which gives 20% dmg/lvl, so:

10 drones * 100% dmg from DI5 = 20 drones equivelant

technically would be 24 equivelant due to 25% drone dmb from combat drone op which wasn't around previously...


yes, however I am not adding any kind of dmg bonus to the drones.
only changing it.

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:28:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Hllaxiu on 26/10/2006 22:28:14
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 22:02:19
ok I came up with this.

so, it looks like that the drone control bonus seems to be accepted.

now let's make some stats change in the myrmidon:

6/6/6 with 6 turrets

1000 grid
410 cpu

150m3 drone bay (enough for 10 meds + 10 lights)

+1 scout/med drone control per level
+5% hybrid dmg bonus

notice that I toned down the grid so that a full hi-tier gun + tank becomes harder to fit.

edit: because I wanted to mean a control bonus for med and scout dronesRazz


Screw armor tanking, that'd be the best shield tanking ship in the game.

EDIT: Ok thats hyperbole, but seriously I'd shield tank that thing.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:28:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Grimpak


wrong.
if you think about it a bit the drone dmg bonus is intended to double each drone effectiveness, meaning that 5 drones + ship dmg bonus = 10 drones in the old system

since the ship doesn't have a drone dmg bonus, it is the same as having a drone damage bonus.


5 drones + 10% dmg/lvl = 7.5 drones actually.. however there is also drone interfacing which gives 20% dmg/lvl, so:

10 drones * 100% dmg from DI5 = 20 drones equivelant

technically would be 24 equivelant due to 25% drone dmb from combat drone op which wasn't around previously...


yes, however I am not adding any kind of dmg bonus to the drones.
only changing it.


oh noess.., pliiizzz add more!!! more drones, more bonuses, more of everything, come on, you can't possibly have enough of them, 6/6/6, what's that a joke? 666? the number of the beast? i say, make it 7/7/7 to make it a lucky number :D

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:30:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
yes, however I am not adding any kind of dmg bonus to the drones.
only changing it.


Except the +1 drone per level is much more effective than the 10% dmg bonus... it doesn't really solve the problem of not having spare drones either unless you plan to field only light drones since 10 mediums takes 100m3.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:33:00 - [170]
 

/emote wonders how much thermal damage a Black Scorpio drone does...

Temo Jick
Gallente
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:34:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 26/10/2006 14:31:35
[
Because all noncapital Gallente combat craft have a Small/Medium/Large Hybrid Bonus?




False. The Imicus isnt a very good combat ship admitedly but its three light drones and bonus to drone range mean it can do nasty things to other frigates if they are set up for Long range. It has no hybred damage bonus.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:34:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Grimpak
yes, however I am not adding any kind of dmg bonus to the drones.
only changing it.


Except the +1 drone per level is much more effective than the 10% dmg bonus... it doesn't really solve the problem of not having spare drones either unless you plan to field only light drones since 10 mediums takes 100m3.

Hey, how about a variety, some med some light drones,what's so bad about that? Need more DPS.. Christmas is coming!

Darn I miss the Snowball launcher !!! Cool

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:34:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Grimpak
yes, however I am not adding any kind of dmg bonus to the drones.
only changing it.


Except the +1 drone per level is much more effective than the 10% dmg bonus... it doesn't really solve the problem of not having spare drones either unless you plan to field only light drones since 10 mediums takes 100m3.


that's the point, since 9 drones are always more efective than 4 drones + bonus (which would be roughly equivalent to 8 drones).

firepower is more spreaded out, making it harder to the enemy to overcome such firepower.

I said 150m3 for the sake of balancing aswell tbh.

I am trying to suggest a weird bonus without overpower the damn thing that much

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:35:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: madaluap
/emote wonders how much thermal damage a Black Scorpio drone does...


Lots, as it help the BBQ produce steaks :)

And I like them! :)

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:35:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Screw armor tanking, that'd be the best shield tanking ship in the game.

EDIT: Ok thats hyperbole, but seriously I'd shield tank that thing.

So would I. I'd shield tank the current one if there were any point to putting damage mods in lows Rolling Eyes

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:39:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
that's the point, since 9 drones are always more efective than 4 drones + bonus (which would be roughly equivalent to 8 drones).

firepower is more spreaded out, making it harder to the enemy to overcome such firepower.

I said 150m3 for the sake of balancing aswell tbh.

I am trying to suggest a weird bonus without overpower the damn thing that much


Even with the extra drones I don't think it would help that much since medium drones still go down pretty quick.. would also probably run into problems with ewar drones. I personally wouldn't want to fight a ship with 10 ECM drones or 6 ECM drones and 4 sensor damp drones. A flat change to the drone bay would be the simplest fix assuming it keeps it inline with the other BC... if that can't be done I'd probably say drop the rep bonus for a 5% hybrid dmg bonus.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:43:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Grimpak
that's the point, since 9 drones are always more efective than 4 drones + bonus (which would be roughly equivalent to 8 drones).

firepower is more spreaded out, making it harder to the enemy to overcome such firepower.

I said 150m3 for the sake of balancing aswell tbh.

I am trying to suggest a weird bonus without overpower the damn thing that much


Even with the extra drones I don't think it would help that much since medium drones still go down pretty quick.. would also probably run into problems with ewar drones. I personally wouldn't want to fight a ship with 10 ECM drones or 6 ECM drones and 4 sensor damp drones. A flat change to the drone bay would be the simplest fix assuming it keeps it inline with the other BC... if that can't be done I'd probably say drop the rep bonus for a 5% hybrid dmg bonus.


I guess you have a point there.

however a +1 drone control bonus would made the ship much more unique.

hmm... maybe making the bonus applying to solely scout/medium combat drones?

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:43:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: madaluap
/emote wonders how much thermal damage a Black Scorpio drone does...


That much hot air? Will need some serious tanking, methinks... Very Happy

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:49:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
that's the point, since 9 drones are always more efective than 4 drones + bonus (which would be roughly equivalent to 8 drones).

firepower is more spreaded out, making it harder to the enemy to overcome such firepower.

I said 150m3 for the sake of balancing aswell tbh.

I am trying to suggest a weird bonus without overpower the damn thing that much


Since you're continuing with this, we have a few problems with having 10 drones in the air (thats what I'll have when I step into such a setup ship). All of the new drone types were not designed to have more than 5 controlled by a single ship. This is especially true of logistic and ECM drones (other drones are stacking penalized).

Theres also the little problem of having a full carrier's complement of fighters assigned to a single ship. Well, not so sure if its a problem, but it doesn't seem right...

While you may say "Just make it 5 medium drones only!" I don't think Tuxford and the content people can do that with their current tools. Programming would have to change the backend for drone control, and Kali 1 is likely in feature freeze atm.

In short: 10 drones isn't going to happen so lets not waste our time on suggesting it.

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:49:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
I guess you have a point there.

however a +1 drone control bonus would made the ship much more unique.

hmm... maybe making the bonus applying to solely scout/medium combat drones?


Would solve the ecm drone problem at least. If the dmg can be kept around the same level it might work, although I'd still be worried about giving a ship the equivelant dmg of a domi w/ orge 2s only using much faster better tracking (and sadly more expensive) hammerhead 2s. Basically would be garunteed death to smaller ships.

(Note: I'm going on memory here that 2xhammerheads = 1xogre... haven't actually done the math though)


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