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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei

the sheer arrogance of the gallente people here who think that just because their BC isn't easily owning everyone else as they've become used to it need to be boosted is amazing.


Please crawl back under your rock.

All we're asking for is that the new Gallente BC be on par with the rest of the tier2's. Numerous tests show that at the moment it isn't, it needs some help. It's that simple.

Remember that with the ECM nerf, the days of the ECM drone boats is over. You're not going to see ECM Myrmidons (or ECM Doms, for that matter). That whole ship type got a (much needed) nerf.

Jaedar Metron
Gigaverse
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:17:00 - [122]
 

Woot then I give :D

If the some of the newer t1 ships have resistance bonuses then I'm all for the Drake as it is now Cool

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:17:00 - [123]
 

use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him


Calculon
Gallente
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:28:00 - [124]
 

By the way, having read through some of these replies with the suggestions to the Myrmidon, I honestly believe that reducing the drone hit points and damage bonus to 7.5% from the 10% and increasing the drone bay size siginificantly is the way to go with this ship.

Let's face it, any ship that is supposed to be a drone ship needs to be designed so that the ship can store multiple copies of its primary weapon. Think of the drone bay as the cargohold on any other ship and think of the drones as your ammo. *shrug* It makes sense to be able to restock your damage out in space on the fly, and not have to worry about instantly losing should your first 4 drones get popped.

This would keep the DPS for the myrmidon the same (which admittedly I believe is a little low, but I'm trying to "play within the rules here"), while allowing for multiple ways of drones to keep the ship alive in a hostile environment. Right now all the opponent has to do is kill 4 drones and then have fun with the defenseless ship.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:29:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:32:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?


Further more, once anyone gets a web on one of your heavy drones, you're NOT recalling it lol. It's as good as dead. Won't be any need for retargeting.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:48:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 20:11:29
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Centurin
Actually, you could give it the drone bay of a dominix, and it would still do the same damage. While I don't agree with giving it such a huge bay, my point is that it doesn't affect DPS. Going from 4 to 5 heavies isn't going to make the Myrimidon uber. At the most it will make it on par with the other BCs.

I am neither friend. May I ask what will you be fitting all these high slots with? hot air? How about if you fit them with Enough NOS to make my shield boosting an idea, while your drones be it 4 drop me in less than a minute?

If you want a WAVE, or a replenishment of drones, who said your BC is supposed to have heavies? you can do a very good damage in medium T2 drones? Maybe now you will complain that they will come pretty expensive to support and fit.. oh well..

read the post above of the person that was following the logic that gallente will finally have some challenge when flying a ship. that's not bad, use your oh so uber skills and tactics to prevail instead of calling people incompetent. If you're are a competent yourself you would love a challenge.
Either you're trolling or you're clueless.

Drones are a (far far) secondary weapon on your Raven, on the Mymidon they are the primary weapon. And with no gun bonus, they are effectively the only real weapon.

With only medium drones, the Myrmidon has the DPS of a Vexor (that's the Gallente t1 drone cruiser, in case your lack of clue extends to non-Caldari ships in general).

With 4 heavy drones, it loses against all the other tier2 battlecruisers. This has already been tested on sisi, by multiple people.

With 5 heavy drones it might be even -- but even then, it need space for spare drones.



I am neither friend. Please take your time to refer to couple of post up, where a person was expressing their dislike of Gallente pilots who facing an actual challenge in game start whining. This is exactly what you are doing.

After all this whining and sobbing a person would simply ask you how much drone space is enough to shut you up. I guess you will smile of contempt then wouldn't you.. well buddy, I guess you will have to face a challenge, cause these ship designes aren't changing.. welcome to the Eve the way other races see it! An interesting challenge! YARRRR!!

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:52:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei

the sheer arrogance of the gallente people here who think that just because their BC isn't easily owning everyone else as they've become used to it need to be boosted is amazing.


Please crawl back under your rock.

All we're asking for is that the new Gallente BC be on par with the rest of the tier2's. Numerous tests show that at the moment it isn't, it needs some help. It's that simple.

Remember that with the ECM nerf, the days of the ECM drone boats is over. You're not going to see ECM Myrmidons (or ECM Doms, for that matter). That whole ship type got a (much needed) nerf.



As we shouldn't see ECM Dominixes! Period. It's a caldari EW warfare of choice among all races and only 3 specialized ships get bonuses to use them.

I guess you will finally be challenged to think but hey why do that, instead start whining to get more ship bonuses, cause Gallente ships never seem to be at par hhuh.. I guess it's a conspiracy against your avatars or something.. go figure... YARRRR!!

Oh and keep the flames coming, I like char-broiled meat!Cool

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:54:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?


Further more, once anyone gets a web on one of your heavy drones, you're NOT recalling it lol. It's as good as dead. Won't be any need for retargeting.


You are going to be pounding me.. and I in return are going to be 'playing' with webbing your drones...

gee, people can teach you new 'tactics' every day, don't they.. uuu look at these pretty shiny things that fly around, let me slow it down to look at it better... very productive for the 15-30 seconds you have in 1v1 PvP

Centurin
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:55:00 - [130]
 

You sir, are a troll.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 20:59:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Centurin
You sir, are a troll.


And you sir an an elf! Just because someone finally is challenging Gallente and doesn't want to listen to your continuous sobbing and wining on the forums that you are all so worse than the other races, doesn't mean they are here to stall everything. Just stop whining, you've got enough from doing so already!

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:01:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?


Further more, once anyone gets a web on one of your heavy drones, you're NOT recalling it lol. It's as good as dead. Won't be any need for retargeting.


You are going to be pounding me.. and I in return are going to be 'playing' with webbing your drones...

gee, people can teach you new 'tactics' every day, don't they.. uuu look at these pretty shiny things that fly around, let me slow it down to look at it better... very productive for the 15-30 seconds you have in 1v1 PvP


PvP w/ Kali is measured in minutes, not seconds. With the Hurricane I can web/kill all 4 heavies before I'm into half armor, and this is assuming I get into range of the Myrmidon's guns, which if you're smart, you won't for the first part of the fight. AFTER you've killed it's drones, THEN you move in and kill it.

It's such a simple concept, even a monkey could do it.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:05:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Tiuwaz
use 2xdampeners on myrmidon watch any ship larger than a frigate take a long time to target your drones, if he tries to kill one get it back to dronebay, while he wastes his time retargeting drones you slowly kill him



You do realise that this will not prevent him from killing your MYRMIDON off? That you've essentially wasted two mid slots?


Further more, once anyone gets a web on one of your heavy drones, you're NOT recalling it lol. It's as good as dead. Won't be any need for retargeting.


You are going to be pounding me.. and I in return are going to be 'playing' with webbing your drones...

gee, people can teach you new 'tactics' every day, don't they.. uuu look at these pretty shiny things that fly around, let me slow it down to look at it better... very productive for the 15-30 seconds you have in 1v1 PvP


PvP w/ Kali is measured in minutes, not seconds. With the Hurricane I can web/kill all 4 heavies before I'm into half armor, and this is assuming I get into range of the Myrmidon's guns, which if you're smart, you won't for the first part of the fight. AFTER you've killed it's drones, THEN you move in and kill it.

It's such a simple concept, even a monkey could do it.

Lol, if a Myrmidon pilot lets you escape his guns, then he isn't doing something right. Even if that's the case why wouldn't he simply quit a losing battle, since apparently he and apparently you are out of range?

I guess there's more than 1 way to do a monkey business. You have 1 battle and that should really convince everyone of a ships abilities? Hardly so m8, there are much more creative people in this game than what you're making the eve players out to be...

Centurin
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:10:00 - [134]
 

Maybe you should fly the ship first before accusing us of whining. We have all made good arguments for an increased drone bay and all I see you doing is trolling. Please explain to me in a constructive matter why the Myrmidon should remain as is. Have you flown it on the test server? Do you believe that it shouldn't outdamage a cruiser? Please enlighten me.

solarwinds
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:14:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: EvilNate
This might just be me, I love the hurricane, but I think it needs a slight speed increase, not much, maybe 50 m/s or so, but otherwise it's perfect.

Nate.


Fixed.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:22:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Centurin
Maybe you should fly the ship first before accusing us of whining. We have all made good arguments for an increased drone bay and all I see you doing is trolling. Please explain to me in a constructive matter why the Myrmidon should remain as is. Have you flown it on the test server? Do you believe that it shouldn't outdamage a cruiser? Please enlighten me.


Yes I have flown it and yes I have tested that on the server. The fact that it IN YOUR OPINION underpowered compared to your cruiser, is very VERY doubtful. If you're getting so much DPS from your cruiser, maybe we should revise the latter as well.. What do you think? And please, do actually think before you call people trolls, or any other sort of mystical creatures.. albeit it might aggravate you this is not WOW..YARRRR!!

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:27:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:32:07
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:30:31
Originally by: Black Scorpio

As we shouldn't see ECM Dominixes! Period. It's a caldari EW warfare of choice among all races and only 3 specialized ships get bonuses to use them.

I guess you will finally be challenged to think but hey why do that, instead start whining to get more ship bonuses, cause Gallente ships never seem to be at par hhuh.. I guess it's a conspiracy against your avatars or something.. go figure... YARRRR!!



How about you go away and stop trolling this otherwise pretty constructive discussion about the new BCs. This is a Kali feedback thread, not your personal amusement ride.

(and I'm not sure if you realize that I also hate ECM Doms and other ship fittings caused by the broken state of ECM on traquility, which will be fixed by Kali).

Imode
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:30:00 - [138]
 

No ones asking for the Myrmidon to be the epitome of ownage.

But when you pay 50 mil for a drone battlecruiser, you would think it could outdamage a Vexor.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:34:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Imode
No ones asking for the Myrmidon to be the epitome of ownage.

But when you pay 50 mil for a drone battlecruiser, you would think it could outdamage a Vexor.


the prices will certainly adjust once the hype of the "I must have that shiny new ship" settles. maybe not, well see..

Imode
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:36:00 - [140]
 

Not really as the price is governed by the average market price of minerals, of which the tier 2's use a great quantity of.

Nearly double the Zydrine I believe.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:38:00 - [141]
 

meh.. lemme add something to make the topic more flammable.

taken from the myrmidon thread below:

Originally by: Grimpak
ok so how about this:

reduce to 6 hislots (6 turrets)
give more lows and meds
increase drone bay

change bonus to:

+5% hybrid damage per level
+1 scout/medium drone control per level


reasoning? the myrmidon becomes a unique drone ship. it is not a vexor, since it dishes more damage than him.
it is not a domi since it gives out more drones.

instead of giving a dmg bonus, why not increasing the ship's ability to field drones?



reasoning behind such idea?

if battlecruisers field more guns cruiser-sized guns than cruisers themselves, why not make a battlecruiser drone carrier that can field MORE cruiser-sized drones?

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:38:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:32:07
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:30:31
Originally by: Black Scorpio

As we shouldn't see ECM Dominixes! Period. It's a caldari EW warfare of choice among all races and only 3 specialized ships get bonuses to use them.

I guess you will finally be challenged to think but hey why do that, instead start whining to get more ship bonuses, cause Gallente ships never seem to be at par hhuh.. I guess it's a conspiracy against your avatars or something.. go figure... YARRRR!!



How about you go away and stop trolling this otherwise pretty constructive discussion about the new BCs. This is a Kali feedback thread, not your personal amusement ride.

(and I'm not sure if you realize that I also hate ECM Doms and other ship fittings caused by the broken state of ECM on traquility, which will be fixed by Kali).



Well good on the second part of your post. As for the first, I am sorry to disappoint you, but countless whining exclusively by apparently gallente pilots does not seem at the least bit constructive for me. It's the same whine as usual. How come there is really no other race's pilot here rambling about oh my ship is so underpowered, where's my Win button!

I guess, this seems pretty constructive to you however. I feel obliged to put an end to the whining madness. You call me troll? Funny you don't call that the 10000 Gallente pilots whining to get 10000000 drone space or at least pliiiizzz at least one more heavy drone, oh, it's not going to make this ship uber, come on pliiizzzz..

what is this? I tell you what it's not, it is not productive! Exclamation

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:42:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio

Yes I have flown it and yes I have tested that on the server. The fact that it IN YOUR OPINION underpowered compared to your cruiser, is very VERY doubtful. If you're getting so much DPS from your cruiser, maybe we should revise the latter as well..


Ok, I assume English isn't your first language, so I won't attack your writing too much -- but you're not being very clear here.

Fact: Myrmidon with medium drones has pretty much the same DPS as a Vexor. The Vexor gets -1 turret, but gets a +5% per level damage bonus to guns. Those pretty much balance out with the Myrmidon's 5 guns with no bonuses. The drone DPS is exactly the same. And in case you're wondering, the DPS that we're talking about is t1 cruiser class, *not* tier2 BC class.

A Myrmidon using medium drones would get annihilated by the other tier2 BCs.

A Myrmidon using 4 heavy drones will still get killed, but in this case it's because the drones die easily and after that the dps is laughable.

The ship needs help.

Want to prove us wrong? So to sisi and build and Myrmidon fitting that can perform on equal footing against the other tier2 BCs. Then come back and talk.

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:43:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:45:23
Originally by: Black Scorpio


the prices will certainly adjust once the hype of the "I must have that shiny new ship" settles. maybe not, well see..


Ok, that comment proves it: you either know nothing about the game or you're trolling. Which is it?

(hint: t1 market prices are governed by mineral costs)

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:43:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
meh.. lemme add something to make the topic more flammable.

taken from the myrmidon thread below:

Originally by: Grimpak
ok so how about this:

reduce to 6 hislots (6 turrets)
give more lows and meds
increase drone bay

change bonus to:

+5% hybrid damage per level
+1 scout/medium drone control per level


reasoning? the myrmidon becomes a unique drone ship. it is not a vexor, since it dishes more damage than him.
it is not a domi since it gives out more drones.

instead of giving a dmg bonus, why not increasing the ship's ability to field drones?



reasoning behind such idea?

if battlecruisers field more guns cruiser-sized guns than cruisers themselves, why not make a battlecruiser drone carrier that can field MORE cruiser-sized drones?


So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:47:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio

So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


I think that would be overpowered, but I haven't done the DPS calculations so not sure. It *sounds* overpowered.

The last thing I want is an overpowered ship. I want a BC that is on equal footing with the others, dammit, nothing more nothing less.

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:49:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio
So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


600dps from drones would shut me up, yes.

It'd also make a kick ass forward observer for a carrier...

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:49:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2006 21:45:23
Originally by: Black Scorpio


the prices will certainly adjust once the hype of the "I must have that shiny new ship" settles. maybe not, well see..


Ok, that comment proves it: you either know nothing about the game or you're trolling. Which is it?

(hint: t1 market prices are governed by mineral costs)



Invalidating other's people comments makes you happy is it? English not being their first language is a basis to flame? lol, English is my first language! If missed words mean so much to you you should look up that English teacher you had in 5th grade and marry her (maybe you already have).

The point of the matter, is that CCP hasn't done this for a reason. Would you like to say they're really so incompetent and so quick to release a ship that does the same DPS as your Vexor? This is not the case m8, as you're trying everyone on this forum trying to believe!

English enough for you?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:50:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Black Scorpio

So how about that Gallente colleagues? would a control of 10 drones at lvl5 finally shut you up?


I think that would be overpowered, but I haven't done the DPS calculations so not sure. It *sounds* overpowered.

The last thing I want is an overpowered ship. I want a BC that is on equal footing with the others, dammit, nothing more nothing less.



compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses with 5 med drones with ship bonuses.

or, since people are so eager to add heavy drones + dmg bonuses or smth, compare 10 med drones with no ship bonuses at all with 5 heavy drones with ship bonuses.

Kapitanleutnant Mei
Posted - 2006.10.26 21:50:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi


Please crawl back under your rock.Numerous tests show that at the moment it isn't, it needs some help. It's that simple.

Remember that with the ECM nerf, the days of the ECM drone boats is over. You're not going to see ECM Myrmidons (or ECM Doms, for that matter). That whole ship type got a (much needed) nerf.


OH RLY?- the myrmidons i just saw solo 2 drakes on the test server thanks to good piloting and med drones (and admittedly the fact that pilots haven't had time to tran up heavy assault missile skills). What peopl fail to realise is that while kali is giving you an ECM nerf its ALSO giving you a NOS boost in the form of longer fight time- a 3 nos 1 neut mrymid has an evil cap drain ability while with the new hitpoint boost can sustain a dual rep tank. , but i freely admit it needs some tweaking, I saw it go up against a skilled hurricane ansd yes it did die after a long fight. Heck you can even have a slightly larger drone bay, i'd be fine with a 150m3 bay because you'd still be crippled if another pilot destroys your drones (this seems to be your major gripe). My post was really aimed at all the idiots who want a 250m3 bay and a med hybrid bonus- you just seem to be calling everyone else a troll and whining, i havn't seen you post a single specifc suggested change yet- you just shout "it needs to be changed" from the rooftops. Incidentally the thorax outdamages the ferox and the prophecy and he brtuix some BS-


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