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El'jonson
Posted - 2006.10.26 12:34:00 - [31]
 

The Myr is a DRONE BOAT !!! please don't try and turn it into a 1/2 drone 1/2 gunboat. If u want to use turrets fly a brutix.

Tier 2 bc will cost twice tier 1 so the cost of a Myr is around 45-50 mil, this is alot closer to the cost of a tier 1 bs than a cruiser so the damage done should reflect this so the Myr should have a drone bay of 200m3.

All these ppl saying just fit nos and blasters...

Nos are probably going to get nerfed soon.
Blasters on this ships makes no sense as it is a pure drone boat hence the no bonus to hybrid damage, also if u fit it with blasters you have no option other than to get up close to your target which is what the brutix is for. Which as the Myr has the highest sig radius means getting the blasters into range takes time (normally) in which you will be taking damage.

In short I don't mind losing a few turrets in favour of the gallente finally getting a pure drone boat. Very Happy

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.10.26 12:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: keepiru
You do realize that the domi outdamages the megathron, yes?

In theory. In practice it does not.

The theoretical levels are only reachable if you fit it with neutron blasters and damage mods, which leaves no powergrid for even an MWD.

However, it also needs to be said that the Dominix has only one less hardpoint than the Megathron and similar damage bonuses.

As we all know theory > practice.
The Dominix does not outdamage the Megathron.

SexySexy
Neo-Asia Dynamic Instrument
Posted - 2006.10.26 12:35:00 - [33]
 

Myrmidon : i wish +1 drone control per level Very Happy

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.10.26 12:38:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: keepiru
You do realize that the domi outdamages the megathron, yes?

In theory. In practice it does not.

The theoretical levels are only reachable if you fit it with neutron blasters and damage mods, which leaves no powergrid for even an MWD.

However, it also needs to be said that the Dominix has only one less hardpoint than the Megathron and similar damage bonuses.

As we all know theory > practice.
The Dominix does not outdamage the Megathron.

Yes. Thats exactly my point.

WHat that means is: there's no real reason *not* to give the myrmidon 6 hardpoints and 250m3 drone bay, since even if you did cripple yourself with 6 neutrons and 3 damage mods, leaving you with not enough grid for your obligatory tech II sodastream, you will still be outdamaged by the brutix.

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 12:59:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:02:45
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:02:05

Also here a myrmidon consideration:

As it is now sucks because it should be a drone ship but with this drone bay everyone will immediatly shot at his drones instead the ship living him unable to make damage ( ergo: is death). A drone ship MUST have a great replacement of drenes. COnsider that it's whe only weapon that can be popped in game .. all turret/missile users have still theys weapon ( ergo: dammage capability ) until ship pop. Drone ships are he only that risk to loose theyr weapons.

I will not make maths, board is plenty of them, i will only keep clear that a drone ship must have many replacemnt, execially if ship hitpoints will be boosted ( longer battles == more time to kill drones ).

If ( and i repeat "if" because i'm not convinced ) 5 heavy drones scary so much, ballance this ship reducing number of turrets. but have only 4 heavies it's ridicolous ... a drake will pop all drones in 15 secs ( 7 heavy lancher and a rof bonus? it's a "drone-popping fest" Neutral)and then the mirmidon id powerless.

im stil convinced that the best loadout for this ship is:

hi: 6, 4 turrets ( -2 hi slots, -1 turret )
med: 5
low: 6 ( +1 low slot)

drone bay: 200m3
bonus 1: drone hitpoint & dammage
bonus 2: armour rep bonus

Isyel
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:10:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey

Hurricane

Description on the Hurricane "suggests its gonna be fast" its base speed is the same as the cyclone. I'd love and think that its base speed should be slightly improved to reflect this.

4x mids on a matari ship :/ i ws expecting a shield tanking Arty boat but its looking towards an auto cannon setup.

Grid : Tried to get a 720mm setup acros the top and a semi decent armor tank in the lows and totally failed. ( and i have high skills) next trip will try autos as i suspect this will be more suited for.

Looks : OMFG yeah it looks sexhey but doesnt fit matari style; however looks awesomely shagable.

Drone bay needs a tweek. its smalller than the Cyclones and really should be bigger.

Damage looks strong and the bonus fits matari designs but the balance between Tier II and Commands would then be out of whack.

not convinced id buy one or if it will be effective PvE but if the base speed was tweeked and maybe a bonus to MWD or AB i think it would be pretty good PvP in a small roaming gank squad. TBH i much prefer the cyclone.

CAP : yes i think the increased cap is spot on.

Skill Req. Skill should req. BC 2 minimum. I know most will train ship skills to 3 min but 2 really should be required for a tier II ship.

I'll flight test it some more, blow a few up, and tank test it till it breaks. Im not keen on it ( im 100% minmatar spec'ed ) but will keep an open mind atm.




Please just shut up and leave my Hurricane alone. It's my (and a lot of other people's) dream ship. Just WHAT else do you want?

No thanks for a shield tanking arty boat, but guess what. You can still make it. Oh and the ACs + tank capabilities of it are just sexy.

Other than that, god forbid our dear Matari brothers and sisters could actually, you know, learn to make proper high tech ships now that some time has passed and there's the Republic etc. Rolling Eyes I find the tech progression of the race from the once slaves, trough the rebellion, up to today really interesting, i like how they progress from ships like the rupture, trough the likes of the Trasher and Cyclone, and then to the new BC, BS and capitals. Very Happy

Pichemanu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:15:00 - [37]
 

The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.


EvilNate
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:19:00 - [38]
 

This might just be me, I love the hurricane, but I think it needs a slight speed increase, not much, maybe 5m/s or so, but otherwise it's perfect.

Nate.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:31:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

5 medium drones and 5 guns with no dmg bonus are BEYOND PATHETIC for a BC.

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:32:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:51
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:10
Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




u ever used a dominix??????? or a vexor ? or an arbitrator? U know what u are ltalking about ?? if u are not competent of droneship dont post!

They have space for a drone replacement. Not considering domi ( wich have a virtualy infinite space for drones... ), vexors and arbitrators have place for 1 wave and half of medium drones. so a ship like mirmidon ( average cost 7x of the vexor ) could not have only 2 waves of medium drones. A ship like that , with this speed and sig radius must have space for heavy drones, not mediums ( wich require 25m3 instrad of 10m3). give him space for 7,5 heavy drones ( as vexor have space for 7,5 medium drones) and i will be happy ( 7,5 x 25m3 == 187,5m3 i asked 200m3 not much difference ad u can see).

think before posting ...

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:49:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: LC Sulla
Why not give the Myrmidon the drone bay it needs and then restrict the drone bonuses to only light and medium drones (thus leaving the Domi as the heavy drone boat).


Or perhaps 7.5% bonus to heavy drones, and 10% for meds and lights.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:51:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




The brutix can field 5 medium drones, and 7 T2 medium blasters with a dual rep tank.

The Myr certainly DOES need more drone space, or I'm never getting out the Brutix.

Pichemanu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:53:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:51
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:10
Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




u ever used a dominix??????? or a vexor ? or an arbitrator? U know what u are ltalking about ?? if u are not competent of droneship dont post!

They have space for a drone replacement. Not considering domi ( wich have a virtualy infinite space for drones... ), vexors and arbitrators have place for 1 wave and half of medium drones. so a ship like mirmidon ( average cost 7x of the vexor ) could not have only 2 waves of medium drones. A ship like that , with this speed and sig radius must have space for heavy drones, not mediums ( wich require 25m3 instrad of 10m3). give him space for 7,5 heavy drones ( as vexor have space for 7,5 medium drones) and i will be happy ( 7,5 x 25m3 == 187,5m3 i asked 200m3 not much difference ad u can see).

think before posting ...


Really now? It must have?

A maller has 5 turrets, shurely a ship like the proph that costs ?x as much should have 12!!! Better yet it should be able to mount 5 tachyons !!11elevtyone!!ohnoestheendisnear!!

Give me a break please. Drone ships do not put out the most dmg, they just have huge versatility.

BTW i fly droneships, do u?

I want a good ship, not an "iwin" button ship!

Pichemanu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.26 13:57:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Pichemanu on 26/10/2006 13:58:18
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




The brutix can field 5 medium drones, and 7 T2 medium blasters with a dual rep tank.

The Myr certainly DOES need more drone space, or I'm never getting out the Brutix.



Then don't :)
Stick to ur close range ship that dose moderate dmg at distance and be kyted by mymidons with rails and drones that have a bonus on them. Another variant would be that u get capdead by a myrm with 3/4 med nos, am curious what will power those 2 med reps and 7 balsters then.

Oh and btw:
a vexor can use 5 med drones, and a thorax can use 5 med drones and 5 t2 blasters. PLS have the vexor use 5 heavydrones or i will stick to my rax :))) (edit) Isn't this the same logic?

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:00:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 14:13:48


Originally by: Pichemanu
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:51
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:10
Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




u ever used a dominix??????? or a vexor ? or an arbitrator? U know what u are ltalking about ?? if u are not competent of droneship dont post!

They have space for a drone replacement. Not considering domi ( wich have a virtualy infinite space for drones... ), vexors and arbitrators have place for 1 wave and half of medium drones. so a ship like mirmidon ( average cost 7x of the vexor ) could not have only 2 waves of medium drones. A ship like that , with this speed and sig radius must have space for heavy drones, not mediums ( wich require 25m3 instrad of 10m3). give him space for 7,5 heavy drones ( as vexor have space for 7,5 medium drones) and i will be happy ( 7,5 x 25m3 == 187,5m3 i asked 200m3 not much difference ad u can see).

think before posting ...


Really now? It must have?

A maller has 5 turrets, shurely a ship like the proph that costs ?x as much should have 12!!! Better yet it should be able to mount 5 tachyons !!11elevtyone!!ohnoestheendisnear!!

Give me a break please. Drone ships do not put out the most dmg, they just have huge versatility.

BTW i fly droneships, do u?

I want a good ship, not an "iwin" button ship!


what a crap of example ..

1) u cannot fit 5 beams in a maller.. u cannot even fit 5 heavy pulses.

2) heavy drone require 250%m3 of a medium but dont make 250% dammage. u cannot aply this to turret number.

3) i'm an ammar pilot as gallente .. i drive all amarr af, hacs and both command ships so dont think u can reduce this discussion in a "anti-amarr" thread.
U simply have not a clue of how drones works. thats all.
discuss something else u are competent.

EDIT: ah i forgot last and more important thing ... i can also have 10000m3 drone may but this make not this ship 100 time stronger because it can anyway use only 5 drones. asking a double ( or triple or whatever) dont raise dps over 20% ( much less if u consider also turrets) since it can already send 4 heavy drones. another point why do not compare drone space with turret number.

Pichemanu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:10:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Pichemanu on 26/10/2006 14:10:48
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum


what a crap of example ..

1) u cannot fit 5 beams in a maller.. u cannot even fit 5 heavy pulses.

2) heavy drone require 250% of a medium but it's not 250% stronger. u cannot aply this to turret number.

3) i'm an ammar pilot ad a gallente .. i drive all amarr af, hac and both command ships so dont think u can reduce this discussion in a "anti-amarr" thread. U simply have not a clue of how drones works. thats all.



I was not trying to reduce it to an "anti-amarr" thread, it was just an example (maybe not the best, i can come up with more :P ).

What u fail to see is my point so i will try to bring it across again, more clearly i hope:
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BUFFING THE MYRM, JUST LEAVE THE DRONES BAY AS IT IS. GIVE IT A HYBRID BONUS or soemthig.

U can't expect a bc to be as good as a bs, just a bit less good that is..

If u want huge cruiser level dmg u use a thorax, if u want cruiser level versatility u use a vexor.

If u want huge bc level dmg u use a brutix, if u want bc level versatility u use a myrm.

What is so hard to understand?

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:19:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 14:22:19
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 14:20:28
Originally by: Pichemanu
Edited by: Pichemanu on 26/10/2006 14:10:48
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum


what a crap of example ..

1) u cannot fit 5 beams in a maller.. u cannot even fit 5 heavy pulses.

2) heavy drone require 250% of a medium but it's not 250% stronger. u cannot aply this to turret number.

3) i'm an ammar pilot ad a gallente .. i drive all amarr af, hac and both command ships so dont think u can reduce this discussion in a "anti-amarr" thread. U simply have not a clue of how drones works. thats all.



I was not trying to reduce it to an "anti-amarr" thread, it was just an example (maybe not the best, i can come up with more :P ).

What u fail to see is my point so i will try to bring it across again, more clearly i hope:
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BUFFING THE MYRM, JUST LEAVE THE DRONES BAY AS IT IS. GIVE IT A HYBRID BONUS or soemthig.

U can't expect a bc to be as good as a bs, just a bit less good that is..

If u want huge cruiser level dmg u use a thorax, if u want cruiser level versatility u use a vexor.

If u want huge bc level dmg u use a brutix, if u want bc level versatility u use a myrm.

What is so hard to understand?


again ...

1) give turret bonus mean have another brutix.. why have 2 ships identical?

2) give him ability to use 5 heavy drones dont make him even by far good as a domi. forget this. u seem scared by heavy drones too much , brobably because u have not idea how to counter them . heavy drones are slow, destrustable and simply dont make as much dammage to small ships. and a myrmidon will anyway be dead agaist a BS .. no chance.

If u realy are woried about dps, consider that a single heavy drone more in space will not make this ship uber compared to other.. probably will not even reach the minmatar or amar new BC.

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:26:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Hllaxiu on 26/10/2006 14:31:35
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum

1) give turret bonus mean have another brutix.. why have 2 ships identical?



Because all noncapital Gallente combat craft have a Small/Medium/Large Hybrid Bonus?

PS. To CCP: Valen is going to kick your asses if that ship doesn't live up to its Minbari heritage. (compare model to a Sharlin class war cruiser here.

Jaedar Metron
Gigaverse
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:33:00 - [49]
 

Umm I'm not a drone user, so I might get flamed to hell for saying this...but

We are talking about BattleCRUISERS, no? I fly a Ferox. And I dont have the slightest chance of fitting battleship sized weapons. Doesnt other BC's use cruiser weapons? Because a battlecruiser as I see it is a normal cruiser with a better tank.

The myrmidon have one wave of heavy drones, the same type a battleship uses. Isnt meium drones supposed to be the cruiser sized drone? I dont get it... Confused

Now forgive me if I'm being ignorant and stupid Razz


Next, about the Caldari BC's

The Ferox needs a boost, as almost all the caldari railboats do. I'm not too sure on how to do this though, as I havent used rails much.

The Drake needs to rid itself of the resistance bonus. I mean, if we follow a pattern we see that all teh Caldari railboats have resistance bonus, while the missile ships lack it.

Now I'm not too sure how to change it, but to give a kinetic missile damage boost will make its dps too high, and a range bonus would remove the major penalty of using asault rockets (I hate the name assault heavies Embarassed)

So what should the resistance bonus be changed into?
I really dont know, what would benefit it without overpowering it? All us Caldari wannabe-drake-pilots need to discuss this Cool

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 26/10/2006 14:26:42
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum

1) give turret bonus mean have another brutix.. why have 2 ships identical?



Because all noncapital Gallente combat craft have a Small/Medium/Large Hybrid Bonus?


Another ***** answer. Nothing personal, realy, but even if what u wrote it's true, gallente are also drone specialist. And even if this should be not true, it's not a good reason to make 2 ships almost identical. As i told above: if there is a ballance problem have plenty of heavies then reduce even more turrets. I dont want a uber ship and i whink no one of us want a second brutix.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:38:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Pichemanu
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:51
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 13:33:10
Originally by: Pichemanu
The myrm dose not need bigger drone bay!!! It can carry 10 meds which is more then enough.

It is a BC not a BS so it should not be able to field the same nr of BS drones as specialised drone BS.

Arguments such as "if u shoot it's drones it's crippled" have no point, What happens if u shoot a domis drones? or a vexors? or an arbitrators? The SAME thing, the ship is left crippled.

How fast can u shoot down 10 med drones?

I don't oppose replacing the rep amount bonus with some sort of hybrid dmg (be it dmg, traking or rof), but this ship really dosn't need more drone space.




u ever used a dominix??????? or a vexor ? or an arbitrator? U know what u are ltalking about ?? if u are not competent of droneship dont post!

They have space for a drone replacement. Not considering domi ( wich have a virtualy infinite space for drones... ), vexors and arbitrators have place for 1 wave and half of medium drones. so a ship like mirmidon ( average cost 7x of the vexor ) could not have only 2 waves of medium drones. A ship like that , with this speed and sig radius must have space for heavy drones, not mediums ( wich require 25m3 instrad of 10m3). give him space for 7,5 heavy drones ( as vexor have space for 7,5 medium drones) and i will be happy ( 7,5 x 25m3 == 187,5m3 i asked 200m3 not much difference ad u can see).

think before posting ...


Really now? It must have?

A maller has 5 turrets, shurely a ship like the proph that costs ?x as much should have 12!!! Better yet it should be able to mount 5 tachyons !!11elevtyone!!ohnoestheendisnear!!

Give me a break please. Drone ships do not put out the most dmg, they just have huge versatility.

BTW i fly droneships, do u?

I want a good ship, not an "iwin" button ship!

Dude, you're making a fool of yourself. Please stop.

Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Crimson Logistical
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:41:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/10/2006 14:42:06
Originally by: Jaedar Metron
Umm I'm not a drone user, so I might get flamed to hell for saying this...but

We are talking about BattleCRUISERS, no? I fly a Ferox. And I dont have the slightest chance of fitting battleship sized weapons. Doesnt other BC's use cruiser weapons? Because a battlecruiser as I see it is a normal cruiser with a better tank.

The myrmidon have one wave of heavy drones, the same type a battleship uses. Isnt meium drones supposed to be the cruiser sized drone? I dont get it... Confused

Now forgive me if I'm being ignorant and stupid Razz


Next, about the Caldari BC's

The Ferox needs a boost, as almost all the caldari railboats do. I'm not too sure on how to do this though, as I havent used rails much.

The Drake needs to rid itself of the resistance bonus. I mean, if we follow a pattern we see that all teh Caldari railboats have resistance bonus, while the missile ships lack it.

Now I'm not too sure how to change it, but to give a kinetic missile damage boost will make its dps too high, and a range bonus would remove the major penalty of using asault rockets (I hate the name assault heavies Embarassed)

So what should the resistance bonus be changed into?
I really dont know, what would benefit it without overpowering it? All us Caldari wannabe-drake-pilots need to discuss this Cool


Check on this forum about result of pvp tests ( in sisi ) of the myrmidon. Loose immediatly agaist other tier 2 BC, even if actually can already use 4 heavies. THis as hint, that heavy drones are not BS sized weapons only. increase drone bay will never make it uber because the DPS will raise just a bit ( 20% not considering turrets .. les than 10% if u have blasters), It will barelly reach other BC ( tier 2, not ferox...). hive him even a HUGE drone bay mean just that he can continue to use drones ( releasing new drones once some are death).

p.s) i hope i answered your question

Wodin Drukvik
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:43:00 - [53]
 

Harbinger: Pretty much spot on with regard to the other Tier 2 BCs. If you fit for gank, your tank suffers fairly significantly. If you tank out, you can still do decent damage, but you can't fit big guns or a damage mod. You have the option of fitting a plate, or fitting dual reps which allows people to exercise their personal preference with regards to style. There's a good "sniper" setup using Heavy Beams.

It's an excellent ship. I'd agree with those who suggest its cap might stand being a notch larger but that's really the only thing I'd consider changing.

Myrmidon: There are a lot of different combinations, but it's fairly obvious they want to keep people from using 5 heavies. So the most you're going to get is the bay bumped to 120, which would allow for some spares and interesting combinations without giving it 5 heavies. Remember when you're kvetching about DPS that you have to include the 5 turrets - even unbonused that's a fair amount of damage over time. As far as fitting goes, it's somewhat tight, but respectable. Using the ship as a pure nos-boat precludes an injector, but you can create a reasonable injected double-rep tank supplemented by more nos than most others will use. The extra mid allows for a lot of dirty tricks, and a TD or other module(be it a second web to control range, a cap mod for sustainibility or something else) will significantly boost the survivability of the ship.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:44:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Jaedar Metron
Umm I'm not a drone user, so I might get flamed to hell for saying this...but

We are talking about BattleCRUISERS, no? I fly a Ferox. And I dont have the slightest chance of fitting battleship sized weapons. Doesnt other BC's use cruiser weapons? Because a battlecruiser as I see it is a normal cruiser with a better tank.

The myrmidon have one wave of heavy drones, the same type a battleship uses. Isnt meium drones supposed to be the cruiser sized drone? I dont get it... Confused

Now forgive me if I'm being ignorant and stupid Razz

I forgive you.Razz
Ishtar is a heavy assault CRUISED and it can field 3 waves of heavy drones.

Akiman
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:44:00 - [55]
 

You said tier 1 can tank better while tier II will damage better but thin tank...read again from the start ccp pls?...

Thats not true...ferox is unusable...drake is better at everyway...but pls dont do something bad by modifying ferox u'll just disturb game balance again.

About myrmidon i agree with the hoardRolling Eyes plus leaving 6th med slot empty will just look amateur. 100m3 isnt enough thtas for sure and like u said myrmidon should out damage brutix.you sign for it.imo ship looks like maulus tho...ring any bells?

And couse of bringing tier II matari Bc Tier III bs ingame dont change artilleries.Change ships...

i dont know anything bout amarr...

ships needs more different abilites...

BUT we cant actualy know what is good or not till after nos, ecm ,hit point, ship,wcs,artillery changes in game.Rolling Eyes

Calculon
Gallente
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:46:00 - [56]
 

I personally prefer the Drake the way it currently is, with the shield resistance bonus and the missile RoF. It's the first battlecruiser that I've honestly enjoyed to fly, coming from a very "BC's are kinda crappy" past.

The Hurricane has to take top honors as my new favorite ship in the game, though, and this from a guy who can fly almost every ship out there. Properly fitted, this is very much a poor man's Vagabond, something that has been a long time coming.

Haven't flown the Harbringer or Myrmidon too extensively, so I won't comment on those.

Frankly, the people who are comparing the Tier 2 BC's and the Command Ships really need to look at the proper picture. YES, the Hurricane can outdamage a Sleipnir if the Sleipnir pilot doesn't have Command Ship 5. The Sleipnir, at the same time, has a massively better tank, better resists, etc... So yes, the Hurricane matches the Sleipnir in ONE area of the ship's functions, while being behind in several others. This is pretty much the case for the other Tier 2 BC's across the board: They rival their command ships or HAC's in one area, while falling behind in one or more other areas.

As such, I think this is completely justifiable. You want the whole package? Train for Command Ships. You want bits and pieces of the package? Train up your Tier 2 BC's extensively.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.10.26 14:54:00 - [57]
 

By the way devs, is it the completely wrong place to ask for two more turrets on the Ferox? It really needs it.

Karen Dark
Posted - 2006.10.26 15:00:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Calculon
I personally prefer the Drake the way it currently is, with the shield resistance bonus and the missile RoF. It's the first battlecruiser that I've honestly enjoyed to fly, coming from a very "BC's are kinda crappy" past.

The Hurricane has to take top honors as my new favorite ship in the game, though, and this from a guy who can fly almost every ship out there. Properly fitted, this is very much a poor man's Vagabond, something that has been a long time coming.

Haven't flown the Harbringer or Myrmidon too extensively, so I won't comment on those.

Frankly, the people who are comparing the Tier 2 BC's and the Command Ships really need to look at the proper picture. YES, the Hurricane can outdamage a Sleipnir if the Sleipnir pilot doesn't have Command Ship 5. The Sleipnir, at the same time, has a massively better tank, better resists, etc... So yes, the Hurricane matches the Sleipnir in ONE area of the ship's functions, while being behind in several others. This is pretty much the case for the other Tier 2 BC's across the board: They rival their command ships or HAC's in one area, while falling behind in one or more other areas.

As such, I think this is completely justifiable. You want the whole package? Train for Command Ships. You want bits and pieces of the package? Train up your Tier 2 BC's extensively.


I agree with you. Another thing you guys have to remember is that unlike the T1 Battlecruisers and there Command ship cousins the new Battlecruisers have NO Warfare Link Bonus. For that reason alone it wont make the old ships obsolete.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2006.10.26 15:02:00 - [59]
 

Just to add my voice to those who argue for a Myr drone bay size increase:

With the increase in overall HP the fights will become longer and give more time and reason to kill of the drones first on a ship whose drone DPS is primary. I'm afraid that the HP increase may even cause arguments for a revision of other drone ship bay sizes.

Myrmidon needs around 200 m3 drone bay. This will only marginally increase its DPS but give it battlefield longevity approaching that of turret ships.

Darpz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.26 15:12:00 - [60]
 

myr fix that makes sence

drop drone damage bonus. Lower the base drone bay to 50. replace the bonus we too off for EOS drone bay bonus of +50 Drone bay Per level. (so ether 2 clips of heavys or 2 heavys and a couple clips of lights depending on BC 5 or 4)

what this does:

you do LESS Dps with drones but they are more flexable.

also with the HP boost I'm not likeing the balance between reping damage and just plating now I look at the math and I just don't like it it takes quite a bit of time in a fight to rep the HP a 1600mm plate provides now, maybe a solution to this would be to change rep bonus and boost bonus on shield ships to give people even the option at passive tanking is make that bonus also apply to Plates and Shield Extenders


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