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Varshyll
Posted - 2006.11.03 19:59:00 - [541]
 

Originally by: keepiru
Myrmidon is now 6/5/6, 6 turrets. No other changes that I can see, was it always 1175MW/400tf?

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keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.03 20:01:00 - [542]
 

So it gained 75MW? Well, I guess that's allright. Now it just needs a whackalod more drone bay Laughing

Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2006.11.03 20:53:00 - [543]
 

Originally by: keepiru
So it gained 75MW? Well, I guess that's allright. Now it just needs a whackalod more drone bay Laughing


Is it just me, or is it the only T2 BC with only 17 fitting slots now?

Kalhystia
Posted - 2006.11.03 21:07:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: Nonoffensive
Originally by: keepiru
So it gained 75MW? Well, I guess that's allright. Now it just needs a whackalod more drone bay Laughing


Is it just me, or is it the only T2 BC with only 17 fitting slots now?


It is a droneship, so it is normal that it gets less slots.

Now, as Keepiru said, give me a proper dronebay and I will be perfectly happy YARRRR!!

Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2006.11.03 21:13:00 - [545]
 

Originally by: Kalhystia
Originally by: Nonoffensive
Originally by: keepiru
So it gained 75MW? Well, I guess that's allright. Now it just needs a whackalod more drone bay Laughing


Is it just me, or is it the only T2 BC with only 17 fitting slots now?


It is a droneship, so it is normal that it gets less slots.

Now, as Keepiru said, give me a proper dronebay and I will be perfectly happy YARRRR!!


Strange that they didn't increase the drone bay while they were fiddling with the slots, if that was their intent.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.03 22:28:00 - [546]
 

Still feels a little unfinished tbh, but its a step in the right direction, the "8 highs on everything" thing was getting a little dull.

Crewman Jenkins
Caldari
Malicious Demi-Lancers
Posted - 2006.11.03 22:49:00 - [547]
 

Are the new BCs supposed to use warfare link modules at all?

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.03 22:59:00 - [548]
 

Yup. Bonus is just not in description yet.

Caldorous
Gallente
Posted - 2006.11.03 23:57:00 - [549]
 

Originally by: Nonoffensive
Originally by: Kalhystia
Originally by: Nonoffensive
Originally by: keepiru
So it gained 75MW? Well, I guess that's allright. Now it just needs a whackalod more drone bay Laughing


Is it just me, or is it the only T2 BC with only 17 fitting slots now?


It is a droneship, so it is normal that it gets less slots.

Now, as Keepiru said, give me a proper dronebay and I will be perfectly happy YARRRR!!


Strange that they didn't increase the drone bay while they were fiddling with the slots, if that was their intent.


i don't know why but i fear a ner***e of the myrmidon just the release day... Neutral

Kalhystia
Posted - 2006.11.04 00:18:00 - [550]
 

nerf? nerf what? Is there something THAT good to nerf on that ship? Shocked

layout is ok, dronebay is small, bonus are ok but not overpowered, damage output isn't that great... Embarassed


James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.04 00:33:00 - [551]
 

So we got 75mw for a entire additional gun....lol.

Everyone that has been posting here has been asking for the DRONE BAY to be fixed, the guns are a problem on this ship (no bonus so they don't put out the DPS nessasary to compete), and the guns always figured into the damage equations are only good at 5km or less. This ship will only be able to compete with the other tier 2 BC if the drone bay is increased to 250m3. And every time someone makes a suggestion on DPS figures about this ship, it is setup with a Glass Jaw. The hurricane, Drake can tank and gank. The Harbringer needs more Powergrid and lots more cap, and the Myrmidon needs its drone bay unnerfed. And if the Brutix is the Gallente GANK BC it needs another 500mw to the grid to that it can fit a 1600mm plate like the other Tier 2 BC when it fits Ion blaster 2's.


keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.04 00:42:00 - [552]
 

Well, its more grid than the Brutix has, and the Brutix is a gunship with a DMG bonus and 7 turrets Laughing

Sev Renard
Gallente
Rawr and Such
Posted - 2006.11.04 01:42:00 - [553]
 

Personally, I think the 75mw increase was more tanking related than anything. Before, I had some trouble with dual reps and some decent sized guns, always coming up a few grid short, but this gives me just enough for dualreps...

Oh, just in case nobody else has posted this, a nice big dronebay would be a plus.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.04 01:45:00 - [554]
 

They're going to have to drop a few guns if they give it 5 heavies - this is the situation now: Graphage

Areconus
Posted - 2006.11.04 01:46:00 - [555]
 

Originally by: keepiru
Myrmidon is now 6/5/6, 6 turrets. No other changes that I can see, was it always 1175MW/400tf?





DAM, NO! now the other bcs will be reduced to 17 slots!!!!!!



keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.04 01:49:00 - [556]
 

Doubt it.

Drone ships often have less slots, to account for all the damage from fitting-less weapons. *points @ dominix*

Areconus
Posted - 2006.11.04 02:00:00 - [557]
 

Originally by: keepiru
Doubt it.

Drone ships often have less slots, to account for all the damage from fitting-less weapons. *points @ dominix*



Thank the lord!

Kalhystia
Posted - 2006.11.04 02:03:00 - [558]
 

Edited by: Kalhystia on 04/11/2006 02:23:52
Edited by: Kalhystia on 04/11/2006 02:23:15
Edited by: Kalhystia on 04/11/2006 02:03:29
Originally by: keepiru
They're going to have to drop a few guns if they give it 5 heavies - this is the situation now: Graphage


I understand that T2 ammo needs to be put into your graph DPS wise but... who is going to use void ammo with tracking and fallof nerfs? Wink

EDIT: will need to actually test it on server before opening my mouth Razz

Katabrok First
Caldari
Apukaray Security
Posted - 2006.11.04 02:37:00 - [559]
 

Originally by: keepiru
Well, its more grid than the Brutix has, and the Brutix is a gunship with a DMG bonus and 7 turrets Laughing


I think that its a good sign that the brutix need some more pg, dont you think?

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.04 02:50:00 - [560]
 

Originally by: Katabrok First
I think that its a good sign that the brutix need some more pg, dont you think?

Yes Very Happy

Dano Sarum
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.11.04 06:45:00 - [561]
 

If the Myrmidion just got another gun and the grid to use it, give the Amarrians their 8th turret on the ship too.

Don't give us gimped models, adding another HIGHER dps turret and giving them fitting to use it on the gallente is pretty lame if Amarr dont get their 8th turret too.

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2006.11.04 07:09:00 - [562]
 

So I tested the new designed Myrmidon. I could put together a pretty decent Ion gank setup w/ t2 ions, and 4 heavies. If they went after the drones first, I simply did too much damage to them before they could get all the drones to recover.

Now, this was 1v1. With multiple targets the situation goes south rather quickly as they can simply kill a gank Myr too quickly since it has almost no tank. The longer the fights, the worse the Myr does due to poor cap, drone destruction and weak tanking ability.

Rafein
Posted - 2006.11.04 09:09:00 - [563]
 

actually give the Mym 175 drone bay, and a change the drone bonus to mediums and lights only.

Then give it it special bonus, 25% damage reduction in heavy done damage.

Mym is fixed

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.11.04 10:18:00 - [564]
 

Originally by: keepiru
They're going to have to drop a few guns if they give it 5 heavies - this is the situation now: Graphage

Given that graph, it doesn't look like it. That the Myrmidon needed a sixth turret is quite obvious a step in the wrong direction, however.

In either case, what stands out in that graphage are the yellow and blue lines. They highlight two things very well:
* Myrmidon relegated to medium drones DO NOT WORK AND CAN NOT COMPETE.
* Brutix wtf, mate?

Oh, and the missing dull-grey line: the Ferox is rather laughable.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.11.04 11:07:00 - [565]
 

Originally by: Ithildin
That the Myrmidon needed a sixth turret is quite obvious a step in the wrong direction, however.

As a vocal proponent of the 6th turret mount, I have to say this is now painfully apparent - its becoming less and less of a drone ship.

4 turrets +275m3, nerf the grid so you can only fit electrons like the ishtar?
Originally by: Ithildin
In either case, what stands out in that graphage are the yellow and blue lines. They highlight two things very well:
* Myrmidon relegated to medium drones DO NOT WORK AND CAN NOT COMPETE.

That was never in any doubt, I don't think.
Originally by: Ithildin
* Brutix wtf, mate?

Its worse than it looks, it needs 3 grid rigs to fit electrons and a 1600mm...
Originally by: Ithildin
Oh, and the missing dull-grey line: the Ferox is rather laughable.

Well, if you give it 7 turrets it actually does decent damage @ like 45km+ - would work pretty nice for certain gang support situations I guess.

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.11.04 12:23:00 - [566]
 

Meh. The new slot layout is better than the old, but still... we wanted less guns and more drone bay, and got exactly the opposite. This should be a drone ship, not some half-assed drone/blaster combo that has trouble in both areas.

Keep the current slot layout, drop two turrets, increase drone bay to 200-250m3. Done.

Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2006.11.04 13:19:00 - [567]
 

I've been toying with the myrmidon, and the biggest fault it has in my eyes is that it lacks multi waves of drones, during long fights they get picked off and it dies horribly every time. (well, more often than not at least)

My personal pick as a "fix" (ie, making it the ship I want) is:
change drone bonus to a 20% per level increase in HP and damage for light and medium drones, and boosting the drone bay to at least 150m3

This means it is using "cruiser drones", just more effectively than ships like the vexor and arbitrator.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.11.04 14:37:00 - [568]
 

Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
I've been toying with the myrmidon, and the biggest fault it has in my eyes is that it lacks multi waves of drones, during long fights they get picked off and it dies horribly every time. (well, more often than not at least)

My personal pick as a "fix" (ie, making it the ship I want) is:
change drone bonus to a 20% per level increase in HP and damage for light and medium drones, and boosting the drone bay to at least 150m3

This means it is using "cruiser drones", just more effectively than ships like the vexor and arbitrator.

The Myrmidon will not be able to compete without a full bay of heavy drones with damage aplied. The smaller drones do laughable damage which stem only from their overall backup functionality. It is plain to see that heavy drones function more or less exactly like a cruiser sized drone, it hits cruisers for cruiser grade damage with cruiser grade tracking and cruiser grade speed.

So, a few hot-fixes that are needed on BCs:
* Ferox, +2 turret hardpoints, +300MW
* Brutix, +250MW, +25TF
* Myrmidon, -1 turret hardpoint, +200m drone bay

Something to debate is how well the Prophecy function, as well. I get the feeling the Prophecy might need another hardpoint in light of recent additions.

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2006.11.04 15:02:00 - [569]
 

myrmidon isnt that bad imo, its just meant to fight smaller ships, and that thing is scary when you are in a cruiser....... but yes give it another 100m3 drone bay and lose a gun hardpoint or 2

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.11.04 15:40:00 - [570]
 

Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 04/11/2006 15:40:17
Originally by: Alpine 69
myrmidon isnt that bad imo, its just meant to fight smaller ships, and that thing is scary when you are in a cruiser.......


Yeah. Problem is, the other bcs are scary to bigger ships, also. The Myrmidon still needs help (I'd advocate losing 1-2 turrets and boosting drone bay, like most people here).


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