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Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
VENOM Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.25 14:52:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:40:09

I think think they should put some focus into the 3 minmatar battleships.

Tempest - armor tanked, long range artillery ship. 140 m/s.
Typhoon - armor tanked, close range low-tier autocannon/missiles ship. 150 m/s.
Maelstrom - shield tanked, speedy, high-tier autocannon ship (bigger Cyclone) 160 m/s

But nobody listens to me. The Maelstrom even LOOKS speedy, but... its not. Laughing



Posted it here, because it was stuck in an thread full of spam.

I think this is a good idea.

I would switch the speeds of the Mael and the phoon though, and make the Mael have better agility, but the phoon have a higher base speed.

I would add a 7th turret slot to the tempest to help it compete with the caldari tier 3 in fleets.

I would change the Mael ROF bonus to damage, or change projectile ammo size. Because with the ROF bonus and ACs, that is going to be a ton of ammo.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.25 15:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2006 14:58:48
or:

typhoon -> close range slugger
tempest -> all-round ship proficient in AC's OR arties (would tune up agility of it to compensate). Kinda like a all-round striker that can go long range or short range hit-n-run.
maelstrom -> bigass artillery platform that deals alpha strike damage second to none (bonuses should be changed to reflect this however).


edit: not saying your proposal is not good. It is good.

Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
VENOM Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.25 15:25:00 - [3]
 

not bad...the only problem i have with it, is what is going to become of the tempest.

but why do that to the tempest.

In your scenario the only reason to choose a tempest in the future would be too low SP to fully use the power of a phoon.

If you want close in pwnage = phoon
If you want fleet artillery pwnage = Mael
If you want an expensive ship that is outperformed by the two other bs = tempest.

The all around ship sounds good in theory but in reality it just ends up being subpar in all categories.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.25 16:43:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Serapis Aote
not bad...the only problem i have with it, is what is going to become of the tempest.

but why do that to the tempest.

In your scenario the only reason to choose a tempest in the future would be too low SP to fully use the power of a phoon.

If you want close in pwnage = phoon
If you want fleet artillery pwnage = Mael
If you want an expensive ship that is outperformed by the two other bs = tempest.

The all around ship sounds good in theory but in reality it just ends up being subpar in all categories.


in the artillery case, the tempest would still be a better DoT machine than the maelstrom.

the mael would have better alpha, true, but the tempest would be able to outdamage it in the long run.
plus, in case of fleet, loosing 6 T2 1400's is more cheaper than loosing 8 1400's.

going short range, the tempest would have a bigger versatility in terms of more meds than the typhoon, while basing it's firepower in a single weapon system. The typhoon would be faster and deal a bigger punch, true, but the tempest would be a better gunship with room for some sort of Ewar.


so that's what I mean by versatility. Typhoon gets his place as a solid close-range killer, but not as versatile and focussed as the tempest, while the maelstrom gets the ability to inflict THE alpha-strike, but unable to sustain good DoT in the long run with a big sig and being a ****** whale, unlike the tempest.

Ravelin Eb
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.26 19:33:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Ravelin Eb on 26/10/2006 19:35:33
Edited by: Ravelin Eb on 26/10/2006 19:33:45
About the roles of the Tempest and Maelstrom as a fleet sniper, a Tempest is a better option, pretty sure it would outdps the maelstrom in that role, all my playing aorund with setups on test have seemed to point at this.

however i believe the Maelstrom will become a ship more used to gate camping and small gangs, you put 8 duel 650 II's and a decent shield tank on on and you can lay down more firepower than a AC tempest(as far as ive tested). im pretty sure guys who will be engaging in fleet fighting will take the tempest over this new ship simply as it is as someone has pointed out A. Cheaper and B. Better at that role.

Although not a BC im quite excited about the Hurricane, i think will become one of the main ships flown in eve, im looking at in from a PVP'rs perspective and i can see alot of people using these for piracy, and generally killing
YARRRR!!

Serapis Aote
Minmatar
TBC
VENOM Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.26 19:37:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Edited by: Ravelin Eb on 26/10/2006 19:33:45
About the roles of the Tempest and Maelstrom as a fleet sniper, a Tempest is a better option, pretty sure it would outdps the maelstrom in that role, all my playing aorund with setups on test have seemed to point at this.

however i believe the Maelstrom will become a ship more used to gate camping and small gangs, you put 8 duel 650 II's and a decent shield tank on on and you can lay down more firepower than a AC tempest(as far as ive tested). im pretty sure guys who will be engaging in fleet fighting will take the tempest over this new ship simply as it is as someone has pointed out A. Cheaper and B. Better at that role.

The Hurricane i think will become one of the main ships flown in eve, im looking at in from a PVP'rs perspective and i can see alot of people using these for piracy, and generally killing
YARRRR!!

I agree the Tempest still looks like the better fleet artillery platform...so lets run with it.

Give it 1 more turret spot.

Then increase the speed and agility of mael, and make it into the AC ship it looks like it wants to be.

That would give us 3 versatile ships, and each good in a different role.

That is what caldari have, and should be what the aim should be for all the races.

Defined roles for each ship.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.10.26 19:39:00 - [7]
 

2 different opinions, yet both of them seem ok in my eyes.

I still prefer mine thoRazz

Kenya Borgin
Posted - 2006.10.26 19:41:00 - [8]
 

Copying what i posted in Tier 3 BS thread in Kali forum:
Quote:

How about doing these changes to the minmatar BS:
Tempest:
5% damage bonus and some kind of tanking-bonus. This should then be minmatars Arty-platform, great tank and high alphastrike but at the expense of DPS (like it always has been).

Mael:
change base-speed to something like 160-170 (not sure about numbers), bonuses being 5% RoF and 5% bonus to top-speed. Fast and agile, just come in and deliver some swift justice with its UZI-like ACs

Typhoon should stay as is.

Then Tempest would be the designated sniper-ship. Mael a feared AC-boat that is capable of dictate range.
I havent crunched numbers but i think it would be nice to see how it plays out.


Racuel
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.26 19:41:00 - [9]
 

Damn alt again!

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:38:00 - [10]
 

The Maelstrom is messed up the ship it self looks like a long range ship but the stat's and bonui's it has make's it look like a close range ship.

Typhoon should be the tanker/drone ship.
Tempest should be the Close range AC/Ewar ship
Maelstrom should be made fleet sniper

that way all the ships have there own role all will be needed and they won't make any of the other 2 pointless in any way.

I mean atm the tempest/typhoon out class the Maelstrom.

Temp is a better sniper and AC ship.
Phoon is a better tanker.
Maelstrom a waste of time.

Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:46:00 - [11]
 


there is a sticky for the tier 4 bs's and bc's down in the 'kali testing and development' area, just a little fyi for ya!

Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.26 22:50:00 - [12]
 

What's a matari BS?

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.26 23:05:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
What's a matari BS?


Any armor duck taped on to a flying nuke.

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.10.26 23:17:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Tiuwaz on 26/10/2006 23:17:42
with the advent of the maelstrom we matari can now proudly say that we posses 3 BS without a defijned role, rejoice about so much versatility


Tempest as long / close range ship that shield /armour tanks

Typhoon using 3 weapon systesm but doesnt really know what its supposed for, it cant be used for long range or shield tanking but that doesnt really give it a role (oh yeah a mini raven for minnis to npc perhaps )

maelstrom with bonuses for short range and attributes for longrange, its gonna suck at both but who cares it got Versatility!

we are so versatile we must rock



its even in the descriptions:

Tempest:
"...a versatile gunship..."
Typhoon:
"...Its distinguishing aspect - and the source of most of the controversy - is its sheer versatility...
Maelstrom:
"With the Maelstrom, versatility is the name of the game..."


with so much versatility you cant help but get a warm and fuzzy heart

Tasty Burger
Posted - 2006.10.27 01:13:00 - [15]
 

Typhoon: should be a versatile mix. Needs 5 turrets and 5 launchers and more powergrid.
Tempest: Make it an autocannon boat with artillery capability, shield or armor tank but primarily up close smackage. Boost autos kplz
Mael: artillery, give a damage bonus plz


 

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