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Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2006.10.28 00:30:00 - [31]
 

Thrusted Computing!? ROFL what a clever cravatspeak twitch..

The users are Vista's products. Content providers and 'Thrusted' manufacturers are the clients.

So there. I still see nothing Vista promise I dont or can't have somewhere else.

But hey guys I should enlighten myself and try Vista before I continue irrationally flamming it to hell and back for no appearant reasons shall I? I am sooo sure Microsuck lets go see by myself. I am just going to spend an hour or so learning as much as I can about Vista from both side of the pond.

Can I have a LiveCD? A remote desktop session where I can clickty-click all those new features without the harsle of formating and installing and laughing at all the hyping up and then back to my beloved OS!? (VLC thing..)

Pretty please?!Cool

Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2006.10.28 01:01:00 - [32]
 

hey I can track down criminals with Vista!Shocked

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2006.10.28 01:23:00 - [33]
 

Like I have said before and will say again it is fashionable to hate windows, this is a shame.
I am not an idiot when it comes to computers, i'm no network-admin or rocket scientist like i'm sure 90% of the people in this thread will claim to be but I HAVE used Vista for myself and it's not bad.
Use some other, more streamlined OS for your super-important works all of you people but understand, which OS is REALLY the easiest to get into, the most accessible?
Can my gran log on to gentoo and change her internet connection in less than 2 clicks? quite probably doable but it's simpler on a microsoft OS, please admit that.
When I absolutely need to wring 99.999% of the power from my computer i'll look at another OS but frankly i've not got a use for that and really how many of YOU do?
Really computers are used because of their software aren't they, which OS has the biggest library that you can just pickup and use without any emulators or recompiling things? you know which one it is. I am NOT a microsoft fanboi, I just like to keep things simple and when I can just as easily and quickly do what I do now on another OS but BETTER then I will change, until then I will stay with what in my opinion is the best, not someone else's opinion who spouts things that sound very impressive but in all actuality affect me very very little. Is windows completely open to attack? then get a job there and fix it if you're so good. There, rant over.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2006.10.28 01:38:00 - [34]
 

I quite like the idea of a PC or laptop with a solid state HDD and the OS stored on a bootable CD. Switch the thing on, do your stuff, switch the thing off, and nothing is stored unless you specifically transferred it to an external data storage device.

The great thing is, your OS cannot be modified, and if someone wants to look at your HDD, too bad, once the power is off, it's blank.

I expect you would need battery backup as on a laptop, and be very careful about saving your work to an external drive, but if I could run EVE on something like that, I would be willing to pay good money one day. I wouldn't be surprised if the corporate world drove something like this into the mainstream - magnetic storage is really dumb from a security point of view, and an OS in a tamper-proof package, alterable only by creating a new disc, would be really cool.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.28 03:08:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/10/2006 03:18:02
Originally by: Benco97
Like I have said before and will say again it is fashionable to hate windows, this is a shame.
I am not an idiot when it comes to computers, i'm no network-admin or rocket scientist like i'm sure 90% of the people in this thread will claim to be but I HAVE used Vista for myself and it's not bad.
Use some other, more streamlined OS for your super-important works all of you people but understand, which OS is REALLY the easiest to get into, the most accessible?
Can my gran log on to gentoo and change her internet connection in less than 2 clicks? quite probably doable but it's simpler on a microsoft OS, please admit that.
When I absolutely need to wring 99.999% of the power from my computer i'll look at another OS but frankly i've not got a use for that and really how many of YOU do?
Really computers are used because of their software aren't they, which OS has the biggest library that you can just pickup and use without any emulators or recompiling things? you know which one it is. I am NOT a microsoft fanboi, I just like to keep things simple and when I can just as easily and quickly do what I do now on another OS but BETTER then I will change, until then I will stay with what in my opinion is the best, not someone else's opinion who spouts things that sound very impressive but in all actuality affect me very very little. Is windows completely open to attack? then get a job there and fix it if you're so good. There, rant over.

Are you serious in saying that Windows is "easy"?

Its an incredibly overcomplicated operating system where problems arise all the time (Its IRQ management is so stupid that it will randomely break computers for no apparent reason) and is nearly impossible to learn by comparison to simpler operating systems.

Windows, to update software:
1. Visit Windows Update, go through all the boxes.
2. Visit Office Update, go through all the boxes.
3. LiveUpdate Norton, etc, etc, etc, etc.

It'll take you an hour and its far beyond what any computer newbie could possibly do.

In Ubuntu, it'll pop up and say that there are updates for your computer.

You click OK. It updates every single piece of software on the entire computer in a couple minutes.

I don't see how any honest person could possibly say that Windows is an "easy" operating system to use. Just making it work is nearly impossible, and it takes hours of installing drivers to get it to run on most machines. Do you think your granny can do that? Most other operating systems don't require any extra drivers to work. It isn't even easy before it breaks... and after it breaks, Windows is nearly impossible to manage, you might as well wipe the damn thing.

I run a business fixing computers, mostly for neighborhood know-nothing grannies. And I will tell you that Windows is not "easy" except for the spoiled brats who grew up with it and think its the best thing ever. I have never had a flawless reinstall of Windows XP ever: it has always required at least one extra driver. Maybe in a perfect world Windows is "easy to use," but from my experience, I wouldn't have a job if Dell shipped Ubuntu on their computers. In most operating systems, the internet works out of the box, but Windows requires all sorts of hacking to get it to work, and if you've got wireless, its even worse.

Its a piece of crap. A popular piece of crap, yes, but still a piece of crap. And anyone who thinks it is "easy" has really had zero experience with the kind of people who make up the majority of Windows users.

P.S. Linux has a larger library of useful software than Windows.

Sorry for the rant, folks Razz

Spartan239
Caldari
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Posted - 2006.10.28 07:15:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari


stuff




So apart from what you stated whats so good about Ubuntu?

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2006.10.28 10:42:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/10/2006 03:18:02
Stuff about Benco's post



Ouch.. burned ;.;
oh well, i was only speaking from my experience, like I said, i'm no network admin or anything like that.
Sorry.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.28 12:54:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/10/2006 13:00:45
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Dark Shikari

stuff


So apart from what you stated whats so good about Ubuntu?

While its not as powerful as some operating systems unless you really butcher it, it simply works, and its free.

Its Linux for Newbies. Works out of the box, works well, and stays up to date. If all you want to do is use a computer, browse the internet, write documents, etc, its probably the best thing out there.

One thing I also like about it is that it retains the power of Linux: if you still want to do something fancy, you can. You can run your entire computer without ever touching a command line, or use only the command line if you're really that much of a geek.

I just like Linux for my own use because I can connect to my Linux machine from anywhere in the world and do whatever I want, through a command-line interface Razz

And sorry Benco, didn't mean to burn your post to death--I overreacted there, no need to apologize, I'm the one who should apologize Laughing

The reasons Windows is still popular (other than being bundled with every computer):
1. The vast majority of commercial games are made for Windows. While other operating systems can still play Texttwist and Runescape just as well, client-based games are almost never made for *nix/BSD.
2. Spyware doesn't work on *nix/BSD. This means that computer idiots can't run around downloading boatloads of adware to get that new free screen saver, because it simply won't work. The average computer user will click that "shoot 20 ducks to get a free iPod" ad and will download the spyware-laden program that he/she's sent to. If they can't do that, they'll complain.
3. While Ubuntu comes with a lot of programs, it might not come with everything you need. And while its very easy to install new programs through the graphical program manager, its only easy if you know what to install. This is something that probably needs to be improved. For example, Granny knows she wants an IM program, but doesn't know that she needs GAIM.

Part of the problem is that the entire "computer newbie" world revolves around screwing them with false advertising and crappy software that costs too much. Linux doesn't work with the crappy software... which can be interpreted as a very good or a very bad thing.

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.29 01:11:00 - [39]
 

The only thing that really bothers me about Vista is the "no third party access to kernel" policy. Say goodbye to third party firewall and virus scan vendors, unless that changes. Can o' worms.

Oh, and I had a good laugh about that horrible speech interface. I could have told them that the technology is nowhere near ready for that sort of usage.

Kurren
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
Posted - 2006.10.29 10:16:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Benco97
<<nice post, but takes up too much space>>
Are you serious in saying that Windows is "easy"?

Its an incredibly overcomplicated operating system where problems arise all the time (Its IRQ management is so stupid that it will randomely break computers for no apparent reason) and is nearly impossible to learn by comparison to simpler operating systems.

Windows, to update software:
1. Visit Windows Update, go through all the boxes.
2. Visit Office Update, go through all the boxes.
3. LiveUpdate Norton, etc, etc, etc, etc.
You're inventing steps here. The FIRST initial update with Windows is the only thing even close to resembling complicated, but even a monkey with a hammer could do it. After that, most people have the auto-install downloaded and running. I, myself, am notified of updates when they are released. I can then choose to just download them all or select the ones I want. I click download, they download. I click install, they install. I reboot. If that is the "un-easy" that Windows is... invest in better schooling. There are probably easier OSes out there, but Windows is pretty user friendly. That's not to even mention the plug-n-play driver updating that Windows XP has.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It'll take you an hour and its far beyond what any computer newbie could possibly do.

In Ubuntu, it'll pop up and say that there are updates for your computer.

You click OK. It updates every single piece of software on the entire computer in a couple minutes.

I don't see how any honest person could possibly say that Windows is an "easy" operating system to use. Just making it work is nearly impossible, and it takes hours of installing drivers to get it to run on most machines. Do you think your granny can do that? Most other operating systems don't require any extra drivers to work. It isn't even easy before it breaks... and after it breaks, Windows is nearly impossible to manage, you might as well wipe the damn thing.

I run a business fixing computers, mostly for neighborhood know-nothing grannies. And I will tell you that Windows is not "easy" except for the spoiled brats who grew up with it and think its the best thing ever. I have never had a flawless reinstall of Windows XP ever: it has always required at least one extra driver. Maybe in a perfect world Windows is "easy to use," but from my experience, I wouldn't have a job if Dell shipped Ubuntu on their computers. In most operating systems, the internet works out of the box, but Windows requires all sorts of hacking to get it to work, and if you've got wireless, its even worse.

Its a piece of crap. A popular piece of crap, yes, but still a piece of crap. And anyone who thinks it is "easy" has really had zero experience with the kind of people who make up the majority of Windows users.

P.S. Linux has a larger library of useful software than Windows.

Sorry for the rant, folks Razz
If making it work was actually as difficult as you say it is then I sincerely doubt it would've caught on like it did. I mean, its compatable with friggin everything, everything to run the computer is put into a neat (as in clean) little Start Menu, and seriously, monkey's with hammers could install, update, and run a Windows OS. There are better OSes out there, but Windows is not the firey ball of Hell you make it out to be... esspecially since 9 times outta 10... the people bashing Windows are using Windows in order to bash it. Hell, I've been known to bash Windows myself, but when I have to recommend an OS to somebody, I won't change the tune of "XP Pro" until Vista manages to prove itself.

Also, Dell ships XP Home Edition, if I recall, on just about all their computers. XP Home IS the firey ball of Hell you make it out to be.

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2006.10.29 12:20:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 29/10/2006 12:21:04
well im using the latest release as my main OS, been thru all the MS OSs and i ahve to say i quite like what im seeing. The constant march of technology means why will only update our pcs anyways so harping on about what Vista needs is silly. Chances are you have a system that can run it right now.

I play eve, have tonnes of FF tabs open and stuff in my task bar and i see absoltuely no slow down what so ever, the windows zoom as fast as XP, i perfer the streamlined interface aswell. I think you just need to give it a chance, it really is a nice update to Xp.. Plus i havent experinced one single iota of a crash yet too. Im finding it quite stable tbh.

:/

btw DX10 will change the way pcs games are programmed and add in new effects and lend developers the ability to cram more detail than is possible right now.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.29 12:22:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/10/2006 12:22:37
Originally by: Kurren
Also, Dell ships XP Home Edition, if I recall, on just about all their computers. XP Home IS the firey ball of Hell you make it out to be.

Is there really that much difference between Home and Pro?

My worst experience with Home yet is on a laptop where it automatically assigned half the devices to a single IRQ, making it constantly bluescreen. Since its not a desktop, I can't move cards around to change their IRQs... so the only way to change the IRQs would be to turn off ACPI through a horribly hacky method, completely eliminating the ability to even shut down my computer through Windows, let alone manage battery settings and performance settings.

Did I mention I hate Windows IRQ management?

Michuh
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.29 13:08:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Araxmas
Direct X 10 plus some other support for games it gives.


/me is holding off forking out on a new rig, untill DirectX 10, and possibly quadcore Intel/Amd chips are a reasonable price..


Michuh
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.29 13:10:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: digital0verdose
Originally by: Dark Shikari

Windows Vista will take 1-2GB of RAM and 5-10GB of disk space.




You serious?? The operating system is currently using that much ram??? ugh

3 days ago Ive finally caved in and installed XP.. Looks like ill be using XP in that case for the next 5 - 6 years, untill this Vista **** is proven to be reasonably stable..

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.29 13:59:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Michuh

You serious?? The operating system is currently using that much ram??? ugh


I'm not sure but thats what I remember seeing on the system requirements Sad

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2006.10.29 14:43:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Benco97
Use some other, more streamlined OS for your super-important works all of you people but understand, which OS is REALLY the easiest to get into, the most accessible?


Microsofties often state that GNU/Linux is not ready for a mainstream audience. They forget that by the same measures, neither is Windows.

* The registry is a huge, undocumented mess that's easy to corrupt, killing your whole system. /etc might not be pretty, but at least it's well-documented and changes are compartmentalized.
* Windows still makes hidious UI errors. For instance, on bringing up safe mode in XP, you're given the option to continue running in safe mode, or bring up system restore. The options in the dialog box are "yes" and "no". Those should be "Safe Mode" and "System Restore".
* Related to the last, configuration controls are put in inappropriate places. For instance, bringing up properties on a network connection, the second tab is "authentication", with options like enabling IEEE 802.1x authentication. The third tab is "advanced", and the single option I have is about enabling a firewall on the interface. Most users have no use for ethernet authentication, but have plenty of use for a firewall. But most will be scared away by that "advanced" wording.

The only OS that's really ready for mainstream is Apple.

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2006.10.29 14:45:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Michuh

You serious?? The operating system is currently using that much ram??? ugh


I'm not sure but thats what I remember seeing on the system requirements Sad


From http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx, minimum is 512MB. Remember that you need to at least double Microsoft's minimum requirements.

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.29 21:30:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

In Ubuntu, it'll pop up and say that there are updates for your computer.

You click OK. It updates every single piece of software on the entire computer in a couple minutes.



Please don't tell people to upgrade to Edgy from Dapper doing this.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.29 21:55:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Dark Shikari

In Ubuntu, it'll pop up and say that there are updates for your computer.

You click OK. It updates every single piece of software on the entire computer in a couple minutes.



Please don't tell people to upgrade to Edgy from Dapper doing this.

Laughing

I wouldn't know, I started with Dapper Razz

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:07:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Hellspawn01
What about the rumors that vista will have FBI backdoors

Not that I am be able to prove it, but they have done it before and they will probably do it again.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Is there really that much difference between Home and Pro?

Yes. Maybe it's mainly the way things are structured, but it's a lot easier to find all the config stuff etc on pro.

Directive
Posted - 2006.10.30 09:55:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Michuh

You serious?? The operating system is currently using that much ram??? ugh


I'm not sure but thats what I remember seeing on the system requirements Sad


Vista has a higher apparent memory footprint mostly due to the way the improved prefetching works. Still, it's quite daft to require 1gb just to boot up the OS in a reasonable time.

HolographicEntrypoint
Perkone
Posted - 2006.10.30 10:09:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 30/10/2006 10:09:13
Windows isnt easy. There are so many little bugs and glitches that take ages to fix. Like Wireless Zero Configuration which is a total gamble to fix... sometimes your manufactors drivers wont install, sometimes they wont take over the responsibility etc.

And I don't want a better looking OS. I want it to be faster.

Anastasia Cz'aren
Posted - 2006.11.01 22:18:00 - [53]
 

This whole thread is hilarious, with few exceptions.

:beer: to DS.


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