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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.23 16:25:00 - [1]
 

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The Star Fraction has long held that intellectual freedom and the expression of that freedom are vital for the development of social, economic and political structures that will truly meet the needs of the capsuleer class and the human species as a whole. The situation in the universities and academic institutions of EVE today is a parlous one and yet another symptom of the retrograde wave sweeping across human societies in the core of the cluster. A society falling into tyranny can be recognised by many means but one of the most poignant and terrible is the restriction of academic freedom and the suppression of teachers and students alike.

We the Free Captains of the Star Fraction pledge our support for those in the core empires who seek to reassert the freedom of the mind and who protest in an effort to secure their future and, by extension, the future of us all. Besides the support of our words, we offer all practical help to those who may need it in order to advance science and technology outside the stifling atmosphere of the corrupted universities of the cluster.

The Star Fraction also notes that the ancient enmities and petty disputes of the old empires are a major factor in the economic and political suppression of research and debate. We specifically support and endorse the calls of those students who have suggested focused and free study in neutral territory. We agree with them that it is essential for ground-breaking research and cutting-edge technology to be developed in an environment where all can participate and benefit, despite the political and military agendas of the old empires. We note that the forces of the corrupt Gallente Federation shamefully moved to suppress these students and observe that this is further evidence that the facade of 'freedom' in the Federation is nothing more than the flimsy, mottled shell of a rotten egg.

The Struggle for the Future is the war of minds and ideas. Without the space, both physical and mental, for ideas to grow and find their expression there is no future, save a brute mechanical existence without purpose or hope. If the new must fight to succeed the old, as so often before, then so be it. We shall not shrink from the battle.

~ reason is the means by which the chains of ignorance shall be broken ~


Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2006.10.23 18:06:00 - [2]
 

Fear not for the solution is simply!

Step 1: Take 50.000 troops.
Step 2: Equip them with combat gear and shocksticks.
Step 3: Deploy troops near riots.
Step 4: Problem solved.

Instead of randomly vandalizing someone elses property these criminals should go find a job, make some money and buy a ticket to where ever the hell they think theyll be happy.

Celes Tenebrae
Lightning Struck Tower
Posted - 2006.10.23 18:09:00 - [3]
 

Why, Mr Cosmopolite, what can I say? *sighs* My hero...

Sadly, the Federation isn't the only power content to ask the same questions again and again, expecting different answers. Nor the only 'authority' to fear those unwilling to conform to their arbitrary beliefs.

Such was the nature of my own departure from Chaven Academy. Declared anathema for asking my own questions, years of work suppressed for developing my own methods. What will become of growth if all are to be conditioned into voluntary censorship? Can we honestly expect to change and better ourselves while empire authorities keep secret police to outlaw concepts they do not understand with rhetoric such as 'right', and 'ethics'.

Needs must as the devil drives, and like a devil, they drove me out into the arms of friends. A happy accident, as it all turns out. Without their harrasment and interference, I confess I wouldn't enjoy anything close to the facilities and funding granted by my current employer.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.23 19:59:00 - [4]
 

Without discipline, learning leads to renewed ignorance rather than knowledge.

Jake Devlin
Piranha Corp
Posted - 2006.10.23 20:40:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
Without discipline, learning leads to renewed ignorance rather than knowledge.


this is true to an extent. structure, learning from those who came before this is all well and good. but this is not (i hope) what is being complained about. no the real issue is that the state schools should be apolitical, yet they are not. repression of any idea has no perpose other than to comfort those who fear it. better to come up with valid and sound arguments as to why you are right and they are wrong (or in the case where they are right adopt there idea)


Dallan Arethi
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.23 20:47:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Dallan Arethi on 23/10/2006 20:47:31
I thought we would be hearing from you about this before too long. I only wondered whether you would merely applaud it or take credit for orchestrating the uprising.

That said, as a recent science graduate of Maman Caille, I'm entirely familiar with the restrictions we work under, and they rankle me just as much as they do my more hot-blooded classmates. I thus share their call for more freedom of exchange of information, for all that my voice is currently small in the grand scheme of things. I just don't know how likely that is when we are tied down by centuries of racial (and not merely governmental, to forestall the obvious rejoinder) emmity.

While the Federation is far from perfect, it would seem more fertile soil for any such freedom than any of the other states save perhaps the Republic (with which I am less familiar). I read the manifestoes of the Star Fraction on GalNet, though, and wonder what social structures you have in mind to replace the current ones? While as a capsuleer it merely takes a degree of smarts, bravery, and diplomatic acumen (or large guns) to survive in the relative anarchy of nullsec space, (that, and having vastly less cause to fear death), I have to wonder how feasible that is for a civilian population?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.23 21:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jake Devlin
Quote:
Without discipline, learning leads to renewed ignorance rather than knowledge.


this is true to an extent. structure, learning from those who came before this is all well and good. but this is not (i hope) what is being complained about. no the real issue is that the state schools should be apolitical, yet they are not. repression of any idea has no perpose other than to comfort those who fear it. better to come up with valid and sound arguments as to why you are right and they are wrong (or in the case where they are right adopt there idea)




What about those ideas that are wrong? Would you teach those ideas as well?

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2006.10.24 00:39:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 24/10/2006 00:42:08
Police stepping in to quell violent protestors hardly constitutes a suppression of ideas. While I find it unfortunate that the government impedes upon collaborative projects between foreign schools, these are private institutions with the right to organize their cirriculum how they please. In a society that encourages the broadening of thought, the Federation is the last place I'd expect to see this sort of behavior though. Even if Crielere was a monumental failure, I'd rather see the effort than nothing at all.

And of course, your sermon is very touching, Cosmopolite.

Piaras Gallant
Gallente
Posted - 2006.10.24 01:16:00 - [9]
 

While I hardly keep tabs on everything that goes on in the World, I must ask this...

This cause that the Star Fraction fights for... They fight against the Federation... While we all know the Federation is far from perfect, we must ask ourselves, can it be better than it currently is? If so, are we so sure that Star Fraction's actions are the proper course? Many would say yes, even more would say no... How long until they lose focus on their goal? How many of them will skew thier visions so badly that they will become much worse than the Federation ever could be?

My father used to tell me, and being a war veteran his words were highly valued to me, that if one is not careful, one could fall and become that which they hate, that which they fight, and that which they aim to destroy.

I personally have many mixed feeling on the Federation, Star Fraction, and everything else going awry in this damn World, and I'm not yet sure where I stand on everything. But as my instincts and experience tell me, the Federation is probably the best option many of us have at this point in time.

Jake Devlin
Piranha Corp
Posted - 2006.10.24 07:36:00 - [10]
 

Quote:
What about those ideas that are wrong? Would you teach those ideas as well?


yes, thats exactly the point. you teach an idea and then explain why the idea is wrong. when presented with all the counter arguments for an idea, all the counter-counter arguments so on and so forth the student will not be able to take up a wrong idea without knowing that it is wrong.

Estelle Matsuko
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.24 07:55:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Estelle Matsuko on 24/10/2006 07:58:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Jake Devlin
Quote:
Without discipline, learning leads to renewed ignorance rather than knowledge.


this is true to an extent. structure, learning from those who came before this is all well and good. but this is not (i hope) what is being complained about. no the real issue is that the state schools should be apolitical, yet they are not. repression of any idea has no perpose other than to comfort those who fear it. better to come up with valid and sound arguments as to why you are right and they are wrong (or in the case where they are right adopt there idea)




What about those ideas that are wrong? Would you teach those ideas as well?


Who decides if an idea is wrong? You? Me? the State?

Arm the student with the required knowledge and let them decide.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.24 09:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jake Devlin
Quote:
What about those ideas that are wrong? Would you teach those ideas as well?


yes, thats exactly the point. you teach an idea and then explain why the idea is wrong. when presented with all the counter arguments for an idea, all the counter-counter arguments so on and so forth the student will not be able to take up a wrong idea without knowing that it is wrong.


Teaching students the wrong ideas merely to prove them as wrong at a later date seems to me to be a terribly inefficient method of education.

No wonder the youth of the Federation seem so confused!

Jake Devlin
Piranha Corp
Posted - 2006.10.24 10:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Jake Devlin on 24/10/2006 10:31:28
Quote:
Teaching students the wrong ideas merely to prove them as wrong at a later date seems to me to be a terribly inefficient method of education.


firstly this is not quite what i am advocating. no one said anything about "a later date" you present an idea and then demonstrate why it is wrong. "inefficient" i very much doubt it, at least not in the long term. what you end up with is intelligent free thinking citizens that understand why you are right. they will not try to use unsupportable arguments against you. how my i ask is that going to be inefficient.

Quote:
Who decides if an idea is wrong? You? Me? the State?


you dont decide if things are right, either they are or they are not. the challenge is to show why what you think is right is right. my method does to an extent do just what you say. it sets the standard of proof needed. if a student wishes to disagree with an instructor they are free to do so, but they must be able to demostrate why they are right and the instrutor wrong.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.24 10:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jake Devlin
Edited by: Jake Devlin on 24/10/2006 10:31:28
Quote:
Teaching students the wrong ideas merely to prove them as wrong at a later date seems to me to be a terribly inefficient method of education.


firstly this is not quite what i am advocating. no one said anything about "a later date" you present an idea and then demonstrate why it is wrong. "inefficient" i very much doubt it, at least not in the long term. what you end up with is intelligent free thinking citizens that understand why you are right. they will not try to use unsupportable arguments against you. how my i ask is that going to be inefficient.


But just which wrong ideas would you teach in order to refute? Under your system, it would be quite possible to spend a year discussing which colour the sky is.


Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.24 11:12:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Fear not for the solution is simply!

Step 1: Take 50.000 troops.
Step 2: Equip them with combat gear and shocksticks.
Step 3: Deploy troops near riots.
Step 4: Problem solved.

Instead of randomly vandalizing someone elses property these criminals should go find a job, make some money and buy a ticket to where ever the hell they think theyll be happy.


I take this personaly, Mr. Foritain. Do not paint everyone with such a broad brush and be calling my friends and hard-working collegues at Caille criminals. You're one to talk considering your stated affilations and the reputation of the Coreli name.

Of those friends that I've been able to contact so far, the reports are confusing and inconclusive. Four attended the protest, none were seriously hurt but one got a few bumps and sc****s for being too close to a rambunctious crowd. I don't think anyone is completely sure who or what actualy turned the protest into a riot and the media is even less helpfull.

I regret having to take the role of armchair supporter on this, but business occupies me far from Caille, deep in nullsec and lowsec space. Nethertheless I support the students' cause (as a full-time student myself until recently), if not preciely the spin that Star Faction would put on it, and hope to get to the bottom of this.

Lord Elric
Gallente
Obsidian Industries
Posted - 2006.10.24 12:26:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Lord Elric on 24/10/2006 12:38:28
The Federation should be showing support for these students and their project as we should be working for greater understanding not division.

As for the violence remember it would not be the first time those with a different agenda have planted rent-a-thugs in a demonstration to cause trouble so they can label the protestors as trouble makers and malcontents.


Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
...We note that the forces of the corrupt Gallente Federation shamefully moved to suppress these students and observe that this is further evidence that the facade of 'freedom' in the Federation is nothing more than the flimsy, mottled shell of a rotten egg.


While i use to read your announcements and to various extend i agree (or disagree) with them, i always respected the Star Fraction and the ideals (or should i say agenda) that lies behind this.

But i am sorry to see that the part i had quoted from your announcement is simply put wrong. Not only is misleading as to what happened, it strikes me also as a deliberate twist of the events. Because i am sure that you have read the official statement you have so conviniently linked in your announcement.

Some people inside the mob that was protesting started to cause a riot and damages, forcing the Gallente police to step in and put a stop to these attrocities. If they were let alone most propably (following the traits that psychology of the mob demonstrates every time), it would lead to the destruction of public property.

And not just any property but the property of the University. That is something that in reality would hinder the research of the said Institute, and not promote it. Not to mention that it would not really promote their cause too (which is justifiable and right imho).

I really hope that The Star Fraction is not supporting the total and ultimate burning of everything, just to for the sake of revolution and freedom. To cut off the rotten parts i agree but to demolish everything i agree not.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:43:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Fear not for the solution is simply!

Step 1: Take 50.000 troops.
Step 2: Equip them with combat gear and shocksticks.
Step 3: Deploy troops near riots.
Step 4: Problem solved.

Instead of randomly vandalizing someone elses property these criminals should go find a job, make some money and buy a ticket to where ever the hell they think theyll be happy.


I take this personaly, Mr. Foritain. Do not paint everyone with such a broad brush and be calling my friends and hard-working collegues at Caille criminals. You're one to talk considering your stated affilations and the reputation of the Coreli name.

Of those friends that I've been able to contact so far, the reports are confusing and inconclusive. Four attended the protest, none were seriously hurt but one got a few bumps and sc****s for being too close to a rambunctious crowd. I don't think anyone is completely sure who or what actualy turned the protest into a riot and the media is even less helpfull.

I regret having to take the role of armchair supporter on this, but business occupies me far from Caille, deep in nullsec and lowsec space. Nethertheless I support the students' cause (as a full-time student myself until recently), if not preciely the spin that Star Faction would put on it, and hope to get to the bottom of this.


The solution is simple; dont want to get your ass kicked by police forces? Make sure youre not anywhere the near the violent part of the protest.
If you are the near delinquents causing trouble then you are supporting them and hence deserve a good beating.

As for my alignment, I never said I was the perfect role model for said students, I have no illusions about who or what I am and what I do, I simply do what has to be done.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:44:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 24/10/2006 18:54:12
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Omerta Syndicate recognizes that politics often get in the way of free research, and act to stifle innovation. We offer our sympathies to the students in question, as well as that support which we are able. While having long participated in cutting edge biotech research, we have recently decided to accelerate and expand those research programs. We are currently accepting applications for research positions within those projects, as well as proposals for projects that compliment those we are already undertaking.

Look to your future, with Omerta Syndicate.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.24 17:28:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

The solution is simple; don’t want to get your ass kicked by police forces? Make sure you’re not anywhere the near the violent part of the protest.


I think it's safe enough to say that the violent outbreak wasn't planed by the protest organizers; those I talked to were certianly trying to get away from it with varrying degrees of sucess, that is clear enough.

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

If you are the near delinquents causing trouble then you are supporting them and hence deserve a good beating.



That is such an illogical statement that I'm at a loss to come up with a logical counter to it.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.24 17:52:00 - [21]
 

On the question of the turn to violence at the University of Caille protest, I see many reading much into the report of that particular event. We are told by commentators that the students were committing 'atrocities' (surely hyperbole), started a 'riot and damages' and would inevitably have destroyed public property if 'left alone'. Nowhere is it indicated that anything whatever was under threat of damage or that the violence at the protest originated in the student body. I have seen the use of agent provocateurs many times, in many situations. I fancy it is within the wit of even so lumpen a constabulary as that of Caille to deploy such creatures. These things are difficult to substantiate one way or the other. I merely draw attention to the curious fact that it was swiftly after the students conjured with the radical notion of neutrality in education and research that the violence was sparked.

The issue is, however, rather wider than the University of Caille or the Federation. The students and freedom-minded academics of the cluster are attempting to unite in defence of the principle of academic freespace. That is, freedom of thought, its expression and the transmission of that expression beyond borders and outside the control of the empires. The issue of racial enmity is entirely besides the point and is completely confounded by the evidence of the capsuleer class in general. Besides those few unreconstructed xenophobic loyalists to be found in the sewers from which the preachers of hatred and regression pour forth their acrid urine, members of the capsuleer class take little note of the origins of their peers, their bloodline or social class of birth. The skill, economic power, military prowess, political nous and all round record of a capsuleer pilot are of far greater moment than the accident of their birth and recognised as such by virtually all capsuleers.

Is it any surprise that the empires seek to suppress cross-border collaboration between academics, students and aspirant capsuleers? The empires would be helpless without the vitality that young minds, even ones shackled to ancient ideas, bring to any society and be reduced to wallowing in the moribundity that radiates from the leadership and guiding philosophies of every core empire like a pestilent miasma. The project of deception and suppression that the empires are enaged in has a clear aim: they seek, at all costs, to bind young minds to their home empires in order to prop up the antediluvian beasts and infuse new blood into them even as they sicken and struggle to staunch the many gaping wounds rent open by the shock of the new.

To this end it is critical for them to hide the fact that open-handed and free co-operation on the basis of skill, judgement, full information and mutual respect can result in remarkable advances in science, technology, economics and politics. Let a young mind see the contrast with the utter bankruptcy of state-sponsored and controlled research, and the irrational and frankly insane scrabbling for crumbs that it engenders in minds that could otherwise achieve so much, and that mind will recoil in horror from that madness and those who perpetuate it.

We see from the actions of these students not to mention those of their teachers who remain committed to the advancement of knowledge above the advancement of a lowing herd of jackanapes that the project of deception and misdirection is doomed to failure. These young minds, capsuleers and baselines alike, are in no way fooled by the corrupt university administrators who cravenly do the bidding of the empires. They see clearly that the future lies in freely chosen co-operation, not restriction and the tyranny of state budgets. Their calls for freedom from the grasp of the empires and neutrality in education are timely and wise. Those who seek knowledge in a spirit of future-facing rationality have our support.

The Cosmopolite

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.24 17:54:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate recognizes that politics often get in the way of free research, and act to stifle innovation. We offer our sympathies to the students in question, as well as that support which we are able. While having long participated in cutting edge biotech research, we have recently decided to accelerate and expand those research programs. We are currently accepting applications for research positions within those projects, as well as proposals for projects that compliment those we are already undertaking.

Look to your future, with Omerta Syndicate.


Hmm, wait a minute...Akahoshi? I know a grad student at Caille with that surname in the biology department. Are you from one of the Jin-Mei clans? I'm not suggesting there's nescicarily a close relation but Tenmei did tell me she had a very large extended family.

((OOC: Funny how coincidences work and two people pick the Japanese surname meaning "red star"...))

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
On the question of the turn to violence at the University of Caille protest, I see many reading much into the report of that particular event. We are told by commentators that the students were committing 'atrocities' (surely hyperbole), started a 'riot and damages' and would inevitably have destroyed public property if 'left alone'. Nowhere is it indicated that anything whatever was under threat of damage or that the violence at the protest originated in the student body. I have seen the use of agent provocateurs many times, in many situations. I fancy it is within the wit of even so lumpen a constabulary as that of Caille to deploy such creatures. These things are difficult to substantiate one way or the other. I merely draw attention to the curious fact that it was swiftly after the students conjured with the radical notion of neutrality in education and research that the violence was sparked.


The reporting was horribly vague and did not give any detail on what or who actualy sparked the riots. The possability of an agent provocetur has come up in the speculation among my collegues and other students but if that is the case, it is not something I would put to the Caille administrators. Caille is a private school (as is the Center for Advanced Studies) and the Federation does not controll the ciriculum but it still recieves federal funds for many things. This can be an annoying source of political pressure in cases like this, but they are still advocites of one of the most multicultural and free-thinking bastions of higher learning currently existing in New Eden and I cannot easily be led to believe that they would colaborate in an action that risks the physical safety of University students.

Heck, there are even plenty of radicals like you there.


Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.10.24 18:39:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Hmm, wait a minute...Akahoshi? I know a grad student at Caille with that surname in the biology department. Are you from one of the Jin-Mei clans? I'm not suggesting there's nescicarily a close relation but Tenmei did tell me she had a very large extended family.


It's a funny story, really. My clade speaks a Tierijev dialect. When we first integrated into the Federation, the best translation software for that dialect was Jin-Mei, and it tended to transliterate names. Akahoshi isn't how I'd pronounce my last name, but that's how the software rendered it, so it stuck.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.27 00:29:00 - [25]
 

The Star Fraction welcomes the establishment of the Utopian Scholar Foundation [USFTN] and reaffirms its support for the students and academics who are fighting for the principle of academic freedom without let or hindrance from the old empires.

~ reason is the means by which the chains of ignorance shall be broken ~

Tycho Kujifun'luver
Posted - 2006.10.27 02:12:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Tycho Kujifun''luver on 27/10/2006 02:14:12
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.27 10:36:00 - [27]
 

*blinks*

Pilot Tycho, your translator modules seem to be malfunctioning. Do you copy?

*pulls up the pilot's public bio and looks at it thoughtfully*

Cipher7
Posted - 2006.10.27 11:34:00 - [28]
 


Attempting to curb intellectual freedom is futile.

Not only is it not desirable, it is also neigh impossible to enforce.

I really expected better from the Federation.

Maldon Perriera
Posted - 2006.10.29 14:33:00 - [29]
 

The idea that a gallente would want to work with a caldari or an ammar is disgusting! Have we forgotten our minitar brethern to the extent that we would help those who enslave them? Have we forgotten that we are in competition with the other empieres? Do you want the next millitary technology or the next patent on a new industrial one in the hands of the Caldari or the Amar? From the reports I have heard the students were burning symboyls of the federation and the university what is this if not atrocities?

From anarchists like those in the Jericho foundation I expect such statements of support how though can the rest of you support them?

((OCC first roleplay post be gentle ;))

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2006.10.29 16:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Maldon Perriera
The idea that a gallente would want to work with a caldari or an ammar is disgusting! Have we forgotten our minitar brethern to the extent that we would help those who enslave them?


You don't seem to grasp that the Minmatar would be working alongside the Caldari and Amarr as equals. This allready happens to a limited extent in Caille where along with Matari and all the Federation races, there are several Caldari and even a few liberal Ammarians.


From the reports I have heard the students were burning symboyls of the federation and the university


Based on what I'm told by people who were there, this is not at all true.


 

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