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Alex Tremayne
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.17 10:48:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: James Lyrus
Edited by: James Lyrus on 17/10/2006 10:16:37
Originally by: Ricarda M
*smack,smack*


*witty and well thought out retort*


*accusation of BoB/MC/ASCN/LV (delete as applicable) alt-ness, and suggestion for the need of tinfoil in large quantities for millinery purposes*

Celine de'Fursac
Amarr
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:06:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
Edited by: Scarlet Pimpernel on 17/10/2006 08:37:32
Whats great about this thread is we have lots of D2 and their lapdogs screaming 'ISS control your members' yet, until D2 command post some kind of official statement, its just as likely that these posters are also 'out of control'

Whats even better is that its pretty obvious from these posts that the entities that previously had ISS set to positive [have members that] dislike ISS/what ISS stand for etc etc for some time already so it comes as no surprise that, what seems to have started out as a [justified] standings change by D2 for operations in ths south has turn into a D2 & lapdog bandwagon for ganking ISS in the North

Would appear that ISS controling its members is just one small factor in this whole mess.

Makes you respect the pirates much more because at least their behaviour is consistent Laughing, just goes to show who you friends are[n't]/were[n't]


And you would be who?

Phrixus Zephyr
Gallente
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:28:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: James Lyrus
Edited by: James Lyrus on 17/10/2006 10:16:37
Originally by: Ricarda M
*smack,smack*


*witty and well thought out retort*


*accusation of BoB/MC/ASCN/LV (delete as applicable) alt-ness, and suggestion for the need of tinfoil in large quantities for millinery purposes*


*Random statement about llama's*

DANGEROUS
Gallente
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:31:00 - [94]
 

OMFG - we are -10 to ISS - -


I AM COMING BACK TO THE GAME TONIGHT


YEA YEA YEA


Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:34:00 - [95]
 

Quote:
D2 and Iron and Co. have set ISS to -10 and are in the process of camping attacking Marginis/Borealis. From various channels i gather that an incident down south has been used by D2 as an excuse for this, history shows from NFC, sparta and others that this is the normal D2 way of using/triggering a small matter to aid removing things that do not suit them.


In fact there is no excuse needed to set ISS to -10. What I really want to know and what the ISS did not yet explain is why one of their member Corps is gatecamping and ganking with RISK in EC-P8R at the Torrinos-Gate. And why the same ISS corp is seen in territories they have no reason to be in, putting up a large, heavy armed POS.

Others were marked KoS for even less. Maybe it is not machination of the ISS-Leadership planning an Invasion while they are still set to blue, but in the very least, they should take closer look at some of their member corps.

James Lyrus
Caldari
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:34:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: James Lyrus
Edited by: James Lyrus on 17/10/2006 10:16:37
Originally by: Ricarda M
*smack,smack*


*witty and well thought out retort*


*accusation of BoB/MC/ASCN/LV (delete as applicable) alt-ness, and suggestion for the need of tinfoil in large quantities for millinery purposes*


*Random statement about llama's*


*questioning of motives and query relevance of large camelid quadradpeds, including insinuation of species proclivity*

James Lyrus
Caldari
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:40:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon


What I really want to know and what the ISS did not yet explain is why one of their member Corps is gatecamping and ganking with RISK in EC-P8R at the Torrinos-Gate.




Hang on, isn't there a post moaning about how the EC-P8R/Torrinos gate _isn't_ being secured properly elsewhere in this thread?

Quote:

And why the same ISS corp is seen in territories they have no reason to be in, putting up a large, heavy armed POS.



And ... surely if there's some problem with an ISS corp, it's an idea to refer it to those running the show to deal with? It's not like alliances don't have pilots who do what they shouldn't occasionally, through ignorance or malice.

Quote:

Maybe it is not machination of the ISS-Leadership planning an Invasion while they are still set to blue, but in the very least, they should take closer look at some of their member corps.


Conspiracy theory aside, seriously, has this particular concern been raised with the ISS management? Or has there just been an assumption that someone will notice a POS in a system where the well behaved fraction of the ISS won't have been?

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:41:00 - [98]
 

Smile
hope someone takes over the outpost in ec cos iss wont let us dock for some reasonSad
then again probability of new owners letting us dock are also slim tooTwisted Evil

NOObbody
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:48:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: DANGEROUS
OMFG - we are -10 to ISS - -


I AM COMING BACK TO THE GAME TONIGHT


YEA YEA YEA




All... is lostShockedRazz

Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:55:00 - [100]
 

politics are such fascinating things, anyways let me get this straight....

ISS Rents space for LV - no problem there
ISS are NAP'd with LV - that Non aggressive pact not ally, no problem there.
ISS sign a deal that stipulates they must protect the LV space they are renting from pilots hostile to LV - problem here!!

Erm didnt anyone in ISS high command not realise the implications this could have, the simple fact they agreed to something like this states from a neutral alliance is somewhat absurd!

"ISS renting space near you, shooting our friends near you"

Sorry i do respect the intentions ISS have or initially had and what they have achieved ,just lately i have lost alot of respect for the ISS (navy aside)


Zylatis
Caldari
Baptism oF Fire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2006.10.17 11:56:00 - [101]
 

Ah gotta love politics. thats what makes eve great, even if you wont admit it. it makes it more real. but not quite real enough for us to care if we kill the fluffy defenceless kittens that live in PB.

I for one respect the general ISS...thing of lots of 'neutral' people pretty much everywhere, cool idea. really it is. But nobody can be completely neutral. the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' works the other way too. whilst i appriciate that ISS, trying to be neutral, has probably let through who were red to us, they wouldnt be neutral if they didnt, but this is something that cannot be allowed. You cannot stand idly by, industrial power or not, and be an open door for hostiles and call yourself a 'friend' or have a 'relationship' that has any kind of credibility.

Wether its D2 and co being greedy or time for a bit of culling i dont know and being yet another humble grunt i dont care, ill kill em all the same. that being said ISS has done something unique in eve and thus something great, and so will be remembered long after they are gone. but they will be gone.

Damn share prices **** me off too...

[Anything said above is probably crap and doesnt reflect ..ah hell you know the deal]

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:01:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 17/10/2006 12:02:21
James, I am not moaning about the general situation in EC-P8R. It has always been a chokepoint and everyone who lived some time in 0.0 knows how to live with it or deal with the matter.Smile

But it is one thing not having the forces to secure the gate and something else, activily camping with pilots from RISK. I am refering to a corp named AirHawk Alliance and a few of their members, who were also seen in Fade and have a direct a connection to the POS I mentioned before.


Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:04:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 17/10/2006 12:07:38
ISS not 100% neutral everywhere ? Why am I not surprised ?
Think it's common knowledge that ISS usually try to keep mainly a good relation with the local big alliances around their outposts.
In LV space it will be LV of course.
It's not really new that ISS don't/can't allow foreigners to attack local friends around an ISS outpost or even let them dock. It has already been like this with their first outpost.

Not that I care much, if you like to go to war against ISS, have fun, but their policy and that they can't stay out of everything and be neutral at any time is really no surprise at all. It's at least the 3rd or 4th time that it's discussed here.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:12:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Khajit Smitty
politics are such fascinating things, anyways let me get this straight....

ISS Rents space for LV - no problem there
ISS are NAP'd with LV - that Non aggressive pact not ally, no problem there.
ISS sign a deal that stipulates they must protect the LV space they are renting from pilots hostile to LV - problem here!!

Erm didnt anyone in ISS high command not realise the implications this could have, the simple fact they agreed to something like this states from a neutral alliance is somewhat absurd!

"ISS renting space near you, shooting our friends near you"

Sorry i do respect the intentions ISS have or initially had and what they have achieved ,just lately i have lost alot of respect for the ISS (navy aside)




If you realy where our "frind" you woud leave when asked too.

SaorAlba
Amarr
Ants
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:12:00 - [105]
 




From a Third Party point of view. I don't see how this convo assists you. The ISS guy RoS'd you in a profressional manner under the policies/orders he's working under.. You then continued to provokatively antagonise him until he responded in kind. I think you come out looking like a smarktard and him more of a professional enforcing his orders. So how does this show d2- has every right to set ISS to -10?



Simple to answer my friend. ISS is actively defending LV space (lokal shows sovereignity to LV) and is enforcing the law for them. Well this doesn't make ISS very neutral does it eh? On top of this I am in a killer pod being barked at for tresspasing. I did warn him not to stick his nose in political busniss but he ignored it. I also asked him not to make me mad but he still did so I am excused about being a little rude, sorry for that, ok? ISS navvy then podded me back to Agil while I am as as blue as you can get in this game to another. ISS was not immediatly put back to -10. They were asked by high officials to explain what had happend in their pov but failed in the attempt.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:37:00 - [106]
 

God damn, I state to my alliance that I am taking 'time out' to deal with work, and they go and declare war on one of our neighbours!

Anyway, my 2ISK on this matter. As usual, this is just an observation from this thread and past experience, and in no way related to the views of my corp, alliace, or the HANSO foundation.


It appears to me that ISS are in a "what goes around, comes around" situation. An ISS representative earlier stated that they cannot police EC-P8R (or indeed the systems surrounding their other outpost in Pure Blind) due to them being a neutral entity with limited powers. Yet from the words of my corpmates, and our close brothers in D2, the ISS alliance is doing just that in the south; policing the area saying who can and who can't enter the region. Whether this policing is in some way related to LV allowing their presence in the region, we don't know, as there has been no official word; however one would like to assume that ISS is open in its policies.

On top of this, it appears that ISS are giving intel on our positions to our enemies. Whilst people comment that "we've been blue to ISS and held gatecamps with them in EC-P8R", we have simply not shot at their haulers making their way to and from empire.

Let us not forget that ISS was placed in charge of the EC-P8R outpost, as it's previous owner the TRUST alliance was deemed 'too political' and so was removed fom the system by BoB and allies. Is it simply now that ISS themselves have become too political?


I feel that ISS is not providing the security in Pure Blind that it offers to alliances in the south. We have such terrorists as D00M, YNC, and other running riot in the systems surrounding both ISS outposts; yet they do nothing to ensure the safety of pilots trying to reach their stations. I hear that the ISS Navy cannot even remove a D00M POS that is anchored by one of the moons in EC-P8R.



To sound all SirMolle/CYVOK on you...
"The pendulum has spent far to long in ISS' favour. It is time for that pendulum to head back towards equlibrium. Tick Tock."

Crovan
Gallente
The Praxis Initiative
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:37:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Khajit Smitty

ISS sign a deal that stipulates they must protect the LV space they are renting from pilots hostile to LV - problem here!!

Erm didnt anyone in ISS high command not realise the implications this could have, the simple fact they agreed to something like this states from a neutral alliance is somewhat absurd!

"ISS renting space near you, shooting our friends near you"

Sorry i do respect the intentions ISS have or initially had and what they have achieved ,just lately i have lost alot of respect for the ISS (navy aside)




You've read the agreement, have you? And know ISS RoE's, do you? Well, lucky for us all, I know both of these things (unless both have recently significantly changed). Fact is that the agreement states that everyone is to stay out of there except for LV and ISS. When I was in ISS, we had more than one instance where someone in an LV pet corp/alliance would set up a regional buy order in Tenerifis, or would simply somehow buy something in the ISS station. They would show up, couldn't dock, and then got all ****y. They were usually asked to fly to Marginis, then escrow the gear to someone who could hand it to them, or something along those lines.

Also, ISS RoE are pretty strict. However, someone blatantly refusing to leave space that ISS is to keep everyone out of (and has asked you to get out of) is pretty silly. The pilot who got shot tried to play the "lol I know t3h ISS polissee!" card, and got sent to a cloning bay for his trouble when he refused the repeated request to leave. Could the ISS pilot have been less abrasive in the request? Yes. Should he have? Probably. Does that forgive the returned wang-waving? No. Upgrade your clone and move on with life.

Btw, welcome to Catch, D2. It's a freakin' mad house in here Razz

EzSnake
Caldari
No Fixed Abode
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
Posted - 2006.10.17 12:44:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: EzSnake on 17/10/2006 19:52:39
It's always good to see two big boys going after each other...
Wish D2 best of luck, and don't stop comin to Immensia during this campaign...
You D2 lots always put on a good fight and bring a new setup to counter each time...very fun battles Laughing

Audrea
Gallente
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:11:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Audrea on 17/10/2006 13:12:19
Originally by: Crovan
Originally by: Khajit Smitty

ISS sign a deal that stipulates they must protect the LV space they are renting from pilots hostile to LV - problem here!!

Erm didnt anyone in ISS high command not realise the implications this could have, the simple fact they agreed to something like this states from a neutral alliance is somewhat absurd!

"ISS renting space near you, shooting our friends near you"

Sorry i do respect the intentions ISS have or initially had and what they have achieved ,just lately i have lost alot of respect for the ISS (navy aside)




You've read the agreement, have you? And know ISS RoE's, do you? Well, lucky for us all, I know both of these things (unless both have recently significantly changed). Fact is that the agreement states that everyone is to stay out of there except for LV and ISS. When I was in ISS, we had more than one instance where someone in an LV pet corp/alliance would set up a regional buy order in Tenerifis, or would simply somehow buy something in the ISS station. They would show up, couldn't dock, and then got all ****y. They were usually asked to fly to Marginis, then escrow the gear to someone who could hand it to them, or something along those lines.

Also, ISS RoE are pretty strict. However, someone blatantly refusing to leave space that ISS is to keep everyone out of (and has asked you to get out of) is pretty silly. The pilot who got shot tried to play the "lol I know t3h ISS polissee!" card, and got sent to a cloning bay for his trouble when he refused the repeated request to leave. Could the ISS pilot have been less abrasive in the request? Yes. Should he have? Probably. Does that forgive the returned wang-waving? No. Upgrade your clone and move on with life.

Btw, welcome to Catch, D2. It's a freakin' mad house in here Razz


And what gives ISS the right to kill LV's enemies in LV space, and still claim to be neutral? Rolling Eyes

EDIT: Its same thing as ISS would say IAC cant dock in our outposts to louch a counter attack against MC.

Kira Knightly
Caldari
Health and Beauty Spa
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:12:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Kira Knightly on 17/10/2006 13:14:33
Regional contract Tenerifis
Background

The Calico project is a refinery outpost set up in C3-0YD. It's financed by LV, and the arrangement is that we provide them with fees and refining tax. It also serves as a proof of concept. We're hoping that once we can demonstrate this model as successful, we will be able to persuade other alliances.

There are 70 or so belts in the immeditate vicinity, and an ice belt 3 jumps away. Local ice is Minmatar. One of the systems has mercoxit. (3 belts) the rest have Arkonor, Bistot, Spodumain and Gniess. (And other stuff thats less exciting).

Access to this region is NOT automatic. Only ISS corporations who have been granted by the ISS Regional Coordinator, James Lyrus, can enter Tenerifis.

Preliminary conditions for entering Tenerifis

Your corporation have to go through an evaluation process which takes into account the length of your membership in ISS, your history of observance of the ISS Charter and a number of other things. The ISS Regional Coordinator have the right to refuse entry to Tenerifis without explanation. The background for these rules is that ISS want to ensure the partnership with LV becomes a long and happy one. We will not tolerate ‘incidents’ with pilots who don’t play by rules.

All ‘negotiations’ from ISS corporations to be granted access to Tenerifis go through the ISS Regional Coordinator and individual corporations may be asked to observed to undisclosed special rules and regulations in order to preserve the peace and stability of the region.

Once you have been granted access there are a number of rules and regulations that needs to be observed by all ISS pilots.

What we get


+ The entire northern part of Tenerifis is accessible to ISS, but ISS ships are not allowed 'south' of the X-1QGA system (create map)

+ Unlimited npc hunting in this area

+ Unlimited mining in this area (subject to ground rules by the ISS Regional Coordinator)

* The refining station in the E-IFSA constellation is managed by ISS, and surrounding the station, within 3 jumps, are 72 asteroid belts with highend ore. It is a very rich area.


+ Unlimited access to complexes in this area

+ Unlimited access to moon resources

* We can survey and setup starbases everywhere we want in this area
* We can claim sovereignty everywhere we want in this area


+ The refining station: ISS member corporations are also allowed to setup (sovereignty claiming) starbases in the station system for the duration of their stay in Tenerifis.

* This allows for starbase factories, labs etc. to be constructed.





Kira Knightly
Caldari
Health and Beauty Spa
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:16:00 - [111]
 

Terms and conditions


+ ISS ships are not allowed into regions surrounding Tenerifis. This is to assure that diplomatic incidents will be kept to a minimum.

+ ISS Regional Coordinator James Lyrus is responsible for fees and docking rights. ONLY James Lyrus or ISS Management act as a go-between with Lotka Volterra (LV) about fees, docking rights, access, diplomacy, and incidents. We want to keep misunderstandings to a minimum.

+ ISS will pay a weekly fee of 15M Isk pr. pilot per corporation operating in the region (calculated pr. corp, not on a pilot pr pilot basis)

* Example: if members of one ISS corporation of 60 members operate in the region, ISS will pay LV 900M each week pilots for this corp to be allowed to operate in Tenerifis
* The ISS member corporations transfer fees to the ‘ISS Outpost’ corporation (CEO: Duchess deGulia) for their pass to Tenerifis for the following week, and this corp then transfers the collective fees to LV.
* Corporations with less than 20 members pay a fixed fee of 300M pr week.


+ Refining: All refining of loot and ore must take place in the outpost refinery. The refining tax there is 10% (may be subject to change). No POS refineries are permitted anywhere in the region. ISS will regularly inspect starbases in the region, and if any refineries are detected, the consequences will be immediate.

+ Access to the station: ISS is the exclusive channel through which potential LV 'pet' corps are allowed by LV to operate in the E-IFSA constellation. This improves ISS's ability to attract sufficient corporations to the region and reduces LV's administrative burden.

+ Docking rights: Only ISS corporations who have paid the fees to LV may dock. All LV corporations may dock at any time.

+ In the interest of regional defense, LV member corporation will always have docking rights to the station.

+ LV member corporations will not mine in the E-IFSA constellation without prior consent from ISS. This is to ensure that ISS corps have enough roids to make good on their fees.

+ LV will not establish any POS in the constellation and the neighbouring constellations without prior agreement by the ISS.


Living in Tenerifis

Belts are allocated to corps. This list is published on this forum. There will be 1 belt per 10 members (rounded down) in the outpost system. Additional allocations will be made as necessary, however it is likely these will be in systems around C3-0YD. Claim jumping may result in a fine, and for repeated offenses additional action may be take. Each corp is entitled to manage 'their' belts how they wish. If you have empirical
evidence to confirm (or deny) some of the more common mining myths, then we're keen to hear about it.

Corps are required to plonk a secure can at their belt to remind everyone, however it's expected that residents will keep up to date with claimed belts.

Any unclaimed belts are general access for 'casual' mining, however we expect local corps to prioritise 'their' belts. At the current time, this includes the Mercoxit belts. If we appear to have difficulty managing this, then we'll review the situation.

Ratting is a free for all, with the caveat that if mining is in progress, or someone is already fighting a rat, you ask permission before engaging. It's not uncommon to tank a particular spawn for the duration of a mining op.

Security and military


+ ISS will assume responsability of patrolling the northern part of the region. ISS will pursue and suppress pirate incursions into the region. ISS will keep LV central space command informed of all foreign alliance movements in Tenerifis and as such act as border guards and reconnaissance for LV.


+ The official channel for the area is called "Calico". If you are operating in the area, then you are required to join it. This is to serve similar purposes as other regional channels, namely sharing of information, intel, and general heckling.

+ To preserve its neutrality in inter-alliance conflicts, ISS will not participate in joint fleet operations with LV, but ISS Navy and local ISS corporations inhabiting the region will nonetheless assist LV to the best of their ability in the defense of the region in case of invasion by brigand forces.

+ ISS is responsible for maintaining sovereignty of the system with a militarily credible starbase network.

+ If someone attempts to assault the station system, LV will respond as per normal procedures in the defense of Tenerifis and dispatch a fleet to defend the station.

+ All ISS corporations are responsible for their own day to day security in Tenerifis.

Transgressions of any one of these, all in all, very simple rules will lead to immediate expulsion from ISS.

Kira Knightly
Caldari
Health and Beauty Spa
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:18:00 - [112]
 

+ ISS will assume responsability of patrolling the northern part of the region. ISS will pursue and suppress pirate incursions into the region. ISS will keep LV central space command informed of all foreign alliance movements in Tenerifis and as such act as border guards and reconnaissance for LV.


Transgressions of any one of these, all in all, very simple rules will lead to immediate expulsion from ISS.

Did D2 become pirates or are ISS breaking their own contract rules?


Rei Toai
Amarr
untilted.
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:26:00 - [113]
 

what some people seem to forget are some rules of diplomacy.

ISS wants/needs neutrality to prosper in a quite hostile enviroment, that 0.0 is. so they have certain needs.

on the other hands are entities that not necessarily need something from ISS - it's more like a luxury than like something substantial. yeah - it's definitly not a disadvantage to have ISS on blue (and the other way round) - but it's as i said a bit of a luxus.

now it seems there were some incidents - if ISS now thinks that those incidents are only minor mistakes of single members or corps doesn't matter. ISS has to enforce their rules on their corps BEFORE such "accidents" happen - remember ISS needs the good standings to the major entities. in the moment those major entities see that ISS is not able to enforce such rules, they don't have any reason NOT to reset their standings - remember ISS is in someways a luxury - and who wants someone close to them that is a chaotic bunch which can cause some security issues (for example spies)

those major entities don't need ISS to survive in 0.0 .. but ISS needs them to do so.

it all boils down to: don't make those people angry you depend on.

James Lyrus
Caldari
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:27:00 - [114]
 

Yay for forum copy and paste.

grizouh
Caldari
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:29:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Kira Knightly
+ ISS will assume responsability of patrolling the northern part of the region. ISS will pursue and suppress pirate incursions into the region. ISS will keep LV central space command informed of all foreign alliance movements in Tenerifis and as such act as border guards and reconnaissance for LV.


Transgressions of any one of these, all in all, very simple rules will lead to immediate expulsion from ISS.

Did D2 become pirates or are ISS breaking their own contract rules?




I always knew kalok (soaralba) is a pirate at heart CoolRazzLaughing

seriously,
with a contract like stated above you can not maintain neutrality...

Kay Han
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:32:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Kira Knightly

*snip*




This is priceless.

just another reason why ISS must Die.


all this 'we are neutral, don´t shot us' bull**** all the time... LOL

Crovan
Gallente
The Praxis Initiative
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:32:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Audrea

And what gives ISS the right to kill LV's enemies in LV space, and still claim to be neutral? Rolling Eyes

EDIT: Its same thing as ISS would say IAC cant dock in our outposts to louch a counter attack against MC.


ZOMG ISS isn't neutral! lollercopters!

Well, someone posted the text of the agreement. At least I that looks like what I remember having as the agreement. Fact is that not even all of ISS is allowed in there. The standard procedure is, unless the person presents an imminent threat, is to inform them that the space is restricted, and ask them to leave. If they refuse, then they could be interpreted as presenting an imminent threat.

As to your edited comment, I don't get it. It's actually nothing at all like that. That conversation was threads ago. Marginis, Tycho, etc. are open to everyone who isn't going to cause trouble for trade or shoot at ISS. Calico is completely closed off, even to some ISS. Is that not allowed? Is a neutral entity not allowed to have an agreement to gain access space under reasonable terms?

The ISS neutrality argument is always such fun.

FowlPlayChiken
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:35:00 - [118]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

is that cream filling I detect?

:-d bawk

Amadeus Brasky
Caldari
Bad Passion
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:41:00 - [119]
 

Just a side note, Is this the reason why D2 was camping the empire gate in Kerberz to Catch last night?
Just curious.
Cheers.

Hans Rex
Gallente
Federation of Traders and Miners
Posted - 2006.10.17 13:44:00 - [120]
 

D2 Pirates?

Lets see camping the Esa pipe, popping haulers. Camping the HED pipe, popping haulers. Roaming through Catch, popping haulers. Sounds like pirates to me. I've been podded in a hauler several times by D2.

Now I know as a one man trader corp, I present a major threat to the mighty D2. Why are they gate camping in Providence anyway? Simple pirates running around the South, spouting off.


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