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HostageTaker
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:30:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
The following is taken directly from BoB's killboard NOT ASCN's and will clearly show you how well BoB is actually doing:

EDF Killing Bob...........Bob Killing EDF
78............................ 20......... Interceptors
75............................ 69......... Battleships
72............................ 77......... Capsules
24............................ 36......... Cruisers
21............................ 1.......... HAC
16............................ 11......... Assault Frigates
10............................ 2.......... Elite Destroyers
10............................ 0.......... Shuttles
8............................. 27......... Frigates
4............................. 4.......... Cov Ops
4............................. 0.......... Elite BC
3............................. 5.......... BC
3............................. 0.......... Elite Cruisers
2............................. 0.......... Noob Ships
1............................. 0.......... Destroyers
1............................. 2.......... Bombers
1............................. 0.......... Support Cruisers
1............................. 7.......... Industrials
0............................. 1.......... Mining Barges
0............................. 1.......... Elite Mining Barges

Total EDF Kills: 334
Total BoB Kills: 263

I would remind you that Eve Defence Force is but one corporation within ASCN. BoB is an entire Alliance.

Additional information for the casual observer:

ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3.
BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.

Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).

So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war Rolling Eyes



This is a comedic post yes? Because you had me laughing on the floor the whole time! Thanks for that! Laughing


Vladimir G'orkin
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:31:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Vladimir G''orkin on 15/10/2006 13:32:23
Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: Tzrailasa
May be slightly off topic, but here is a bit of enlightenment on the different type of Forum Warriors Laughing

(a BoB thread usually has the highest number of these).

Can you identify yourself? Others?



I found Butter Dog Rolling Eyes

BoB. Numerical superiority is a valid tactic.

Rod Blaine
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:36:00 - [63]
 

The facts are in the BoB posts, just digest them out of the flames.

You see, we dont need to use lies and made up or incorrect ratios in our propaganda. We just use the facts, and apply some more colourfull wording to them where we deem it neccesary.

ASCN has done nothing of sigificance in this war other then show that they actually dared to take initiative by trying to take the fight to TPAR.

We havén't started the war seriously yet, we're just racking up the kills and biding our time. We can do this for years if need be. This is just second gear so far.

Those are the facts.

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:37:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
Additional information for the casual observer:

ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3.
BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.

Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).

So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war Rolling Eyes



I love your optimism. To imply that the war is going well for ASCN is definatly looking at the glass being 1/16 full.

You've inspired me. I am now optimistic about you as well. I want to congradulate ASCN for having the best damn PVPer in eve on thier side, John McCreedy.

John McCreedy is obvoiusly the best pvper in EVE because why else would he not be kicked out by now? Cyvok certainly doesnt keep him around for wonderfull people skills. Cant be his superior tactical abilities (check his blog). Now he's proven it isnt for his great logical thought, mathmatical abilities, or anything else that requires that he use that great big roasted marshmellow attached to the top of his neck.

The only explination left for why ASCN would possibly want anything to do with him is that he is the greatest pvper to ever play the game. Any less and he wouldnt be worth it. So my congradulations to ASCN for having John McCreedy be in and represent your alliance.

Yeah, that did feel good.

I <3 Optimism.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:46:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: Tzrailasa
May be slightly off topic, but here is a bit of enlightenment on the different type of Forum Warriors Laughing

(a BoB thread usually has the highest number of these).

Can you identify yourself? Others?



I found Butter Dog Rolling Eyes


Flame with your main :p

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:46:00 - [66]
 

ROFL McGreedy Strikes again !

I just love those statics i really do

Kryztal's Stats vs ASCN and *NOTE* this is taken from the BoB Killboard not ASCN !

Kryztal Killing ASCN......... ASCN Killing Kryztal
1............................ 0.......... Carriers
3............................ 0.......... Interceptors
44........................... 2.......... Battleships
5............................ 1.......... Capsules
5............................ 0.......... Cruisers
2............................ 0.......... HAC
1............................ 0.......... Assault Frigates
0............................ 0.......... Elite Destroyers
0............................ 0.......... Shuttles
0............................ 0.......... Frigates
1............................ 0.......... Cov Ops
1............................ 0.......... Elite BC
3............................ 0.......... BC
3............................ 0.......... Elite Cruisers
0............................ 0.......... Noob Ships
1............................ 0.......... Destroyers
0............................ 0.......... Bombers
0............................ 0.......... Support Cruisers
1............................ 0.......... Industrials
0............................ 0.......... Mining Barges
0............................ 0.......... Elite Mining Barges

Total Kryztal Kills: 71
Total ASCN Kills: 3

And this is only 1 person in BoB, an inactive one as well !

lol way to twist the stats in your favor McGreedy but we all know that propoganda is not what you do best Razz

HordeZla
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:54:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
The following is taken directly from BoB's killboard NOT ASCN's and will clearly show you how well BoB is actually doing:

EDF Killing Bob...........Bob Killing EDF
78............................ 20......... Interceptors
75............................ 69......... Battleships
72............................ 77......... Capsules
24............................ 36......... Cruisers
21............................ 1.......... HAC
16............................ 11......... Assault Frigates
10............................ 2.......... Elite Destroyers
10............................ 0.......... Shuttles
8............................. 27......... Frigates
4............................. 4.......... Cov Ops
4............................. 0.......... Elite BC
3............................. 5.......... BC
3............................. 0.......... Elite Cruisers
2............................. 0.......... Noob Ships
1............................. 0.......... Destroyers
1............................. 2.......... Bombers
1............................. 0.......... Support Cruisers
1............................. 7.......... Industrials
0............................. 1.......... Mining Barges
0............................. 1.......... Elite Mining Barges

Total EDF Kills: 334
Total BoB Kills: 263

I would remind you that Eve Defence Force is but one corporation within ASCN. BoB is an entire Alliance.

Additional information for the casual observer:

ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3.
BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.

Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).

So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war Rolling Eyes



LMAO, best you get the stats for this war sweat hear and not the over all stats as BoB have not lost that many BS in this whole war I am sure.

You have forgot to mention that all ASCN POS are in reinforced and all BoB's POS are safe as houses including the fact that ASCN are now unable to muster a fleet capable of defending there pos even with 24 hours notice given by the POS.

It's only a matter of time before the true out come of this war will be seen and with ASCN trying to gank BoB in there home town (BoB are currently out of the office crapping your back yard) and hiring countless Merc corps. It's clear mr creedy that your unable to control your players effectiley and your efforts to try and take the fight to BoB have ulitmatley resulted in you causing your members to loose countless ships and getting no-where. I honestley think you should get the advice of a more experianced PVP corp that may be able to help you put up a fight

I must admit that I am dissapointed in the laim tactic employed by ASCN when they hit structure or jump into a hostile fleet. The logging off is just laim but if this is all your pilots have left I pitty them and hope they find a better stronger path in EVE soon.


Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:54:00 - [68]
 

I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.

When you add their alts, its more like 80%.

I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.


Rio Silverwind
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:55:00 - [69]
 

Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.

As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.

All i would say is, bad message presentation ugh

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 13:58:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Rio Silverwind
Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.

As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.

All i would say is, bad message presentation ugh


Actually BNC out mines all the other corps i can post the stats ! Wink

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:00:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Rio Silverwind
Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.

As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.

All i would say is, bad message presentation ugh


Actually BNC out mines all the other corps i can post the stats ! Wink


you also have better average signal analysis skills Razz

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:01:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Hast
you also have better average signal analysis skills Razz


Now that is a fact!

fire 59
Gallente
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:29:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.

When you add their alts, its more like 80%.

I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.




You of course have actual proof that they are bob alt's and not someone else's of course. Or are you assuming? Seriously, provide hard evidence and not 'guesswork' and ill eat my hat and retract my statement


Pestillence
Gallente
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:38:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy


So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war



Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?


thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:39:00 - [75]
 

Excluding the obvious flaws in quoting the EDF war stats.. I would like to ask John McCreedy a question..

If you believe that EDF are doing so well in the war, and it is obvious from the overall war stats ASCN arent living up to EDF "high" standards.. how do you explain this?

Are you blaming your fellow ASCN corps for poor alliance performances on the field? apparently The Older Gamers have suffered the most loses (by our KB) have you any plans to help them and other corps live up to your "high" standards?

Audrea
Gallente
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:46:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
This post is dedicated to the FC's in ASCN, who gets no credit, no "thank you", and gets yelled at for all of "High Commands" mistakes. The way to get a FC to be happy with being a FC, is to support him, and to help him, not to flame him, and not to ***** at him. Being a FC is a lonely job in times of war, everyone expects glory, and all they get is gritty murder, along with boring waiting times. In their minds, they have already lost, and that is why they are still loosing every single battle.

ASCN FC's, hats off. For the pilots in ASCN, who we hear *****in at the FC's, please dont, they only have so much to work with, and thats you. Yell at those who don't back them up instead. We're here for the fights, without proper FC's, we wont get any proper fights.


I disagree with this assestment...

Like a friend of mine says, "There is no bad Soldier, only a bad Commander".

By bad doesnt mean he failed once, but so many times and he doesnt learn from it, that even his people dont trust him anymore... so cant blame the soldiers for not patting them in the back.

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:50:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Pestillence
Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?

I'm thinking you're not going to get an answer Twisted Evil

If this had been a real-life corporation, one of the following 2 things would be happening:
a. He'd resign immediately
b. He'd be fired by the corp board immediately

Personally, in this case I'm betting their corp going for option c, d or e Laughing
c. It didn't happen
d. John got mis-understood
e. John was right!

Auman
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.15 14:54:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.

When you add their alts, its more like 80%.

I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.




Well that would make you the other 20% right?

Louisa Torres
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:01:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Audrea
By bad doesnt mean he failed once, but so many times and he doesnt learn from it, that even his people dont trust him anymore... so cant blame the soldiers for not patting them in the back.


In fairness to the FC's, people like Crohnx are doing their best, but some of the isntructions that are coming down from "HIGH COMMAND", the all knowing all seeing eyes in the back of various heds, are pretty ludicrous.

My personal favourite is:

"If a more senior FC comes online you are to immediately offer control of the gang, if you are that senior FC and don't immediately take control you better have a damn good reason why."

Now, the first part is fair enough, I guess, it's not something we do in BoB but each to their own. That last bit is the most unmitigated pile of steaming cow dung I've ever seen. "Good reason"? What if they just don't feel like it? How about they think it's good that less experienced but more WILLING fcs' get some practice?

Whoever issues these kind of orders needs to realise that it is that attitude that is costing you this war and should suck on a sock and shut up.

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:02:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: John McCreedy


So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war



Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?




3 weeks have passed since the war started, more then the KB stats show, what is important is to find if the "will to fight" for their space from ASCN members was or will be affected, and this is the most important. If BOB manages to induce ASCN members to not log at all, keep far from where the heat is, and continue to make isks while some, few, others fight, ASCN will loose the war, is just a question of time before the alliance implodes.

On other hand if ASCN leaders and directors manage to make all those 5000 players work for the same objective, giving the example and apearing on the front lines, killing and dying alonside with the common alliance members, BOB will be defeated, undoubtly with heavy losses to the ASCN side but in the end ASCN will prevail.

Yesterday while in 68FT or AZN (dont remember) a ASCN member was bragging in local chat (Shocked) with other Alliance members about the lack of commitment to go to combat ... it isnt a good signe ... Confused

Romulus Maximus
Amarr
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:05:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Rio Silverwind
Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.

As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.

All i would say is, bad message presentation ugh


This just shows why ASCN fail. They dont think like we do,were not concerned with who kills most.There is no bickering between corps. Bar the omgrkkloot*****s..bncsensorbooster*****s etc Laughing
Were a unified force,unconcerned with individual corp stats. As has been shown, stats can be tweeked.Apparently EDF are more interested in being the 'better' corp in ASCN
Maybe one of thier uber FCs can stepp up then and get us some good fights. Maybe try and defend the pos which drops out of reinforced in 15 mins ?


Karunel
Gallente
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:12:00 - [82]
 

Hidden in this thread is the most ridiculously self-damaging post I've ever read in the EVE Online boards in the last 3... nah, forget that, almost 5 years!

Wohoo way to go. This war sure breaks records!

[HINT: It's in page 2]

LUKEC
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:19:00 - [83]
 

That statistic is clear proof EDF isn't participating much in this conflict. Deadweight in alliance and chestbeating...


Abdalion


Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.15 15:24:00 - [84]
 

The end.

Trolling, flaming, and nonsense regarding killboards and stats.


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