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Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:44:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Gonada on 14/10/2006 13:44:30
and realize that they could greatly improve conditions of thier games by:

requiring a CC to play beyond 14 days?

not allowing trial accounts to post on forums?

seriously, Im growing sick of this crap, spammers, hackers. macroers, 99% gone if they do just these two things.

and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.

the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?



Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:49:00 - [2]
 

The account being used is most likely not a trial, seeing as he is in a corporation.

It's probably some poor sod that fell for the keylogging scheme earlier and has been taken over.


CCP could install some flooding control, though.

Lady Ghoulia
Eternal-Darkness
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:51:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Gonada


and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.




what makes a credit card holder a better person to play than a non-holder?

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:51:00 - [4]
 

Honestly, if they'd required that, I'd never have joined.

As for the other crap, spam is hacked accounts and wouldn't stop anything (look at Tom H if you need proof). Macroers have no need to post on the forums, and use stolen credit cards anyway (check the Ander's story on eve-pirate). Why the **** would hackers care about you needing a credit card? All it would do would be give them something else to steal.

So instead, I suggest that CCP prevent idiots from posting kneejerk reaction on the forums. This would improve things much more.

Folstrum
Viziam
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:55:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?


Actually I quite dislike WoW, and thats why I don't play it. Just because WoW has a lot of players doesn't mean it needs to be copied over and over and over.

Eve is a complex game, and forum participation for new players is quite essential.

Furthermore, without the free trial, I never would have played.

There are better ways of stopping macroers, and the isk spammers that come with it.

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 13:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Gonada
the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
This is most definitely the ultimate in great arguments, and as such, I stopped my music playing (Nightwish) and sent them off an email based on this very viewpoint.

Now, I eagerly await their next album, where they will have taken my advice on board, emulated the industry leaders, and released the song "Hit me wishmaster one more time"

Savio
Caldari
Age of Honour
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:00:00 - [7]
 

Without the free trial i would never had begun playing it.. When i started playing eve i dident have a credit card so i used the pay with bank transfer thing.. i liked there were good ways to pay to play even thought you dident have a credit card.. i do have one now.. but still it think ccp would loos loads of possible new players if they requered these things..

DukDodgerz
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Gonada


and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.




what makes a credit card holder a better person to play than a non-holder?



it doesnt.

It makes a trail to their RL that makes them accountable.

If they use an account to cause damage, to do anything that would enact a ban, then CCP knows who, and can ban all the accounts of the CC holder.

This would also help ensure that the parents of little kiddies will know what 'johny' is up too.

I see no reason to not use the suggestions.Cool

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:10:00 - [9]
 

Without the free trial i would never had begun playing it..

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no keep the free trial, just not let them post on forums, except in a moderated noob section.


but still it think ccp would loose loads of possible new players if they requered these things..
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thats why i briefly spoke bout WoW, they require it yet, look at their customers( 5 mill +)

face it, if you like a game, youll do whatever it takes to play it. thats the nature of desire.


Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:13:00 - [10]
 

^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have?

McTaggart
Gallente
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:29:00 - [11]
 

Flood control is all that's needed tbh.

Abdalion


Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: McTaggart
Flood control is all that's needed tbh.


I agree.

There have already been many steps taken by CCP to stop trial account abuse.

Abdalion


Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:36:00 - [13]
 

And as for CCP growing up ever?

I hope not. I really love their nuttiness.

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:37:00 - [14]
 

^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have?
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hmm lets see..

requiring CC to play would damn near eliminate the macro problem, or least make it alot more difficult as with every bannin that cc would be useless, and chinese macro types prob cant get much access to many cc's.

exploters, hackers ect would face the same problem, as it is now, banned? big deal, buy an account, buy isk, buy GTC play and exploit hack some more.


Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:39:00 - [15]
 

Did you miss the part with stolen credit cards?

Enotz
Ministry of War
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:42:00 - [16]
 

If eve hadn't had a free trial, i'd never've picked it up.


Same with the CC. If they didn't have GTC, I would've quit a month ago.

having, or not having, a CC doesn't make you more likely to spam, it just means you have a CC ffs.


Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:44:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Abdalion
And as for CCP growing up ever?

I hope not. I really love their nuttiness.


Yeah, you fit right in... Laughing

Agent Lemming
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gonada
Edited by: Gonada on 14/10/2006 13:44:30
and realize that they could greatly improve conditions of thier games by:

requiring a CC to play beyond 14 days?

not allowing trial accounts to post on forums?

seriously, Im growing sick of this crap, spammers, hackers. macroers, 99% gone if they do just these two things.

and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.

the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?





Having to have a credit card is not a problem for me, however I don't see that requiring it would stop people from abusing the system. You say that WoW requires the use of a CC, however to be honest that doesn't stop abuse.

I do play WoW (so what, I enjoy it and EvE too, doesn't make me a bad person Razz) and regularly receive whispers from gold sellers (usually at least once per day), see gold sellers advertising outside the Ironforge bank, see bots farming mobs etc etc... as said previously in this thread having a credit card doesn't stop people from doing bad things.

John117MGS
Posted - 2006.10.14 14:48:00 - [19]
 

Not all countries are fond of credit cards and Im not going to get one just for eve.

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 15:14:00 - [20]
 

And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.

I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.14 15:40:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Abdalion
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And as for CCP growing up ever?

I hope not. I really love their nuttiness.
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ok this is true :)


and ver the point of the topic is to try to get some control of the situation.

i dont wanna sound all hard ass bout it, but with no accountability you have to rely on the maturity and honesty of the players, and though 95% of us are indeed that, its the 5% that screw it for everyone in the long run.





Quin Tal
Ex Nihilo Dignitas
Expeto Libertas Foedus
Posted - 2006.10.14 16:12:00 - [22]
 

Don't compare CCP to Blizzard's success. Blizzard has been around forever and has 4,000+ employees including GM's.

CCP does what they can with their resources, so please... shh.

Vasco Falcon
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.14 16:16:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 14/10/2006 16:16:06
Originally by: Verus Potestas
And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.

I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...


Blizzard just banned 76000 accounts world wide for this naughtyness........ http://www.wow-europe.com/en/

Where ever theres large amounts of money to be made this criminality will follow, which is all these people are as can be seen from their enthusism to use key loggers and such like, it just seems to be about staying a foot ahead of them which is hard to do bearing in mind that these are actually companys/business with employees trying to merely marco and thieve away.

Btw imagine the impact 76k account bans would have on Eve, theyd certainly be alot less lag lol.


Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.14 16:19:00 - [24]
 

Just delete Jita and all pilots with it, it wont solve the problem but will anyone complain?

tyrol
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.14 16:29:00 - [25]
 

please dont delete jita just yet, im currently stuck there. :)

Barth3zzzNL
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Posted - 2006.10.14 16:32:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: McTaggart
Flood control is all that's needed tbh.


I agree.

There have already been many steps taken by CCP to stop trial account abuse.

Wow... already...? Talk about fast... Not...

Why cant they just spend 60 bucks on a decent forum? Using whatever this piece of junk was based on obviously doesnt work...

Xs 142
Posted - 2006.10.14 17:25:00 - [27]
 

Did the funny-man just compare EvE and WoW?
Someone get the tar and feathers...

zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
Posted - 2006.10.14 17:28:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Gonada
the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?


Unfortunately, no matter how good a point you may make, bringing up WoW as an example to support that point is guaranteed to inflame the inherent inferiority complex in most eve players and thus they'll fight your point to the death, even if its perfectly argued and makes perfect sense.

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.10.14 17:34:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Vasco Falcon
Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 14/10/2006 16:16:06
Originally by: Verus Potestas
And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.

I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...


Blizzard just banned 76000 accounts world wide for this naughtyness........ http://www.wow-europe.com/en/

Where ever theres large amounts of money to be made this criminality will follow, which is all these people are as can be seen from their enthusism to use key loggers and such like, it just seems to be about staying a foot ahead of them which is hard to do bearing in mind that these are actually companys/business with employees trying to merely marco and thieve away.

Btw imagine the impact 76k account bans would have on Eve, theyd certainly be alot less lag lol.
Well, comparing bans vs subscriber numbers, that would be equivalent to about 1500 Eve accounts, which IS a lot. Still, however, when I clicked many of the adverts in that google search, they all still say they have plenty of gold in stock, available for immediate delivery.

Still, lots of bans do not have anything to do with a credit card requirement, simply many, MANY more GMs.

Isyel
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.14 17:47:00 - [30]
 

Your WoW comparing argument fails. Why?

You can pay WoW trough Timecards too. Laughing

(Seems this time i posted correctly Embarassed)


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