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Funky Feeling
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.10.22 15:32:00 - [571]
 

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fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.10.22 17:21:00 - [572]
 

Originally by: Hast
He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling.

Did you read my reply to Rebellion then?
How can you be complaining people want to demonize or namecall you or whatever if you have done exactly the same in the near past? Even crossing the border on common decency on that one if I might add.

And you know what? Its boring that when you're faced with your own facts and proof that you start trying to BS your way out of it because you don't like to loose this argument. Pot, kettle. Double standards or whatever.

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Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really.

What would you do if your ennemy used TS to call people to warp to their doom? Thats nasty suff.

Quote:

P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated Razz

That would actually be my worst nightmare. Not drinking alcohol? Better get well soon then. Wink

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.22 17:58:00 - [573]
 

Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Hast
He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling.

Did you read my reply to Rebellion then?
How can you be complaining people want to demonize or namecall you or whatever if you have done exactly the same in the near past? Even crossing the border on common decency on that one if I might add.

And you know what? Its boring that when you're faced with your own facts and proof that you start trying to BS your way out of it because you don't like to loose this argument. Pot, kettle. Double standards or whatever.

Quote:
Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really.

What would you do if your ennemy used TS to call people to warp to their doom? Thats nasty suff.

Quote:

P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated Razz

That would actually be my worst nightmare. Not drinking alcohol? Better get well soon then. Wink


Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them.

The goon issue is somewhat different in my opinion and is a path I thread lightly in due to it still being a sore subject for many. Because what was at the bottom of that was that a dear friend of alot of people had passed away and they took their pleasure in making fun of his death.

Thats as far as I'm going to go with the whole goon issue, although I could probably write a few more pages about it. Its two different ballgames so the two incidents cant really be compared. You can type whatever you want but I'm not going into a discussion about goons here nor anywhere else. I prefer to let that issue on my part rest for a while.

as for the enemy to use TS to warp to their doom... If someone was so stupid to fall for that trick then they werent listening to their gangleader and deserved to die...

As for having your spy be the gangleader, then kudos, you just won eve! Razz

as for the alcohol, I currently have two rather large bottles of whiskey I was going to drink the weekend after I got sick, but they are still sitting there staring back at me. Confused
and they are just begging to be opened... I think I'll crack somewhere around christmas Embarassed

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.10.22 19:46:00 - [574]
 

Originally by: Hast
Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them.


First you start whining about ASCN calling you names and then you don't seem to mind anymore? But when I started poking you and you had to switch your opinion about it? Are you a politician or what?

As far as discrediting ASCN atm anything goes right? I guess thats your weakness. Partly depending on the forums about the outcome of this war. And you already have admitted commiting way to many lies a deciet that its becomming harder to get any credability with the general public. Try to do better.

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.22 20:29:00 - [575]
 

Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Hast
Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them.


First you start whining about ASCN calling you names and then you don't seem to mind anymore? But when I started poking you and you had to switch your opinion about it? Are you a politician or what?

As far as discrediting ASCN atm anything goes right? I guess thats your weakness. Partly depending on the forums about the outcome of this war. And you already have admitted commiting way to many lies a deciet that its becomming harder to get any credability with the general public. Try to do better.


I fear your sarcasm detector is broke

Originally by: Hast

well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Laughing


now where is the whining about namecalling?


and again back to full circle with being called a lier again. and yet again I reiterate my statement. Proof of BoB lying or making up stuff against ASCN please?

Nira Li
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.22 20:55:00 - [576]
 

Edited by: Nira Li on 22/10/2006 21:02:19
When you see stuff like this in local when GMs are there

K'att Sai > you are witnessing a massive log out now m8

when we jump out of the system it just ticks me off.
No wonder ASCN are doing so bad when all they can do is namecalling in local Razz

Oh btw, thanks for the free POS Very Happy

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.10.22 22:28:00 - [577]
 

Originally by: Hast
I fear your sarcasm detector is broke

Sorry, used the spare parts for the BS detector. Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Hast

well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Laughing

Originally by: Hast
now where is the whining about namecalling?

I made it bold for you so you can see it better. Mkay?

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.22 22:37:00 - [578]
 

Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 22:38:48
Originally by: Hast

really makes me cry. no really it does... Laughing


since you have figured out what the bolding button on the forums does I thought I'd highlight the sarcasm part. And yet again you are reduced to arguing semantics...

IntegralHellsing
Gallente
Privateers Of Virtue
Vicious OuTLaW
Posted - 2006.10.22 23:01:00 - [579]
 

Well, ASCN now has 4 carriers in 1DH-SX system. (in Delve, i think.)
(Nice move, 'Dark Star 1' corporation. I wonder how many cynos were required to take you down thereConfused

ps. I wonder how the war would turn out to be!

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.22 23:55:00 - [580]
 

Edited by: Rebellion on 22/10/2006 23:55:55
fuze:

I did not reply to you because your comparison of how we handled the goons to how ASCN is demonizing us is absurd. What is the difference, you ask? The difference is the dividing line between what is true and what is untrue. The goons did the things we accused them of, while we do not do things that ASCN are saying we do. The line between truth and falsehood is a very important one. The fact that you made that comparison shows that you do not see it. The reason why I did not reply to you was that I know that anything I say will not turn your opinion around, because your opinion is not based on the elements at hand, but on your own bias. It is hard to change the mind of one that does not see things for what they are. Your reply to me was completely without merit, and add to that the fact that you are an observer in this war, I ignored it.

Oratu
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.23 03:42:00 - [581]
 

Edited by: Oratu on 23/10/2006 03:52:34
U know i dont usually post in these threads but i will take a minutite of my time so share a little something with both sides of the fence. Do not bother replying, or flaming what iam about to say, because i will not reply to whatever it is you are about to say, because quite frankly 90% of the post's in these "ascn vs BoB" threads are made by those that have
no clue what so ever about the mechanics or warfare and or have no life.

Just to be clear, iam in ASCN.

Now seing as tho people in this alternative reality, seem to likin conflicts that occour in said reality, to real life war i say the following based on this idoelogy.

Ok first to the ladies and gents of Band of Brothers.

I keep seeing a trend in the majority of your post's, and this trend seems to suggest u are basing the fact that because you have more kills than ascn your are winning...

Killboards statistics are no indicator of wich side is winning, and to use such statistics in this way tells me that, whoever makes such judgements, knows about as much about warfare, as i know about women, nothing..

I myself dont post on killboard, main reason being, i cant be farked, i dont die enough/kill enough to warrant the effort, IMO ccp should intergrate kill stats into the game...

Sub note on kill stats: u say you did not commit the titan fraud, i have no evidience you did and thus will not cast blame, but i will however use your arguemnt in realtion to how easy they are to forge, and i use this arguement, as one of many examples, of why killboards are no indicator of who is winning..)

I will admit this tho, u guys are quite awesome on the battlefield, and have killed me a few times.. :)

Ok now to both sides

Honestly, i wish bob would fark off back to there space, and we got the fark out of there's (tcag), but
i know that aint gunna happen.

(politic's and religion, both are the causes of war, and usually religion governs politics, but in eve, religon seldom exist's, so it dont take a brain surgeon to figure out why we are fighting)

It was bound to occur some time, the two biggest alliances, seing wich one had the biggest johnson and hey bit of war is good now and then, restructure a few systems here and there, and as they say nothing last's forever and everything changes (thats just life).

I have been whitness to both sides pulling the occasional logoffski, really thats human nature (strange even in a alternitive reality), self preservation. and to hear both sides harp on about it like 2 year olds
is prethetic to say the least.

Spies, well, again, likining this game to RL conflict, they come part and par with warfare No resposible leader should go into war without prior intelligence.... (CIA, MI5,mossad, ASIO anyone ??)

How will this conflict end ?? well that fact can be governed by those that lead us (molle and cyvok), so only they really know, to be quite honest tho, should they choose to let this carry out, it will never end, ever, bob have the skill, we have the numbers (no iam not saying ascn does not have skilled players, iam basing this statement on t2 pilots and what i have seen logistics wise)

My comments on our leadership ??, well,i may not agree with some of what goes down, politics wise in ASCN, but that does not make ASCN a bad alliance, iam quite fond of my place amongst things, and i believe in the
ascn ideal and i believe cyvok does what he does for the better of the alliance, as Sir molle does what he does for the better of his alliance..

But this does not make what both may think is better for there respected alliances, the right thing, it is up to us as members of our respected alliances to judge that for ourselves and react accordingly (ie stay, fight,
leave, whinge, whatever)

I trust what is going on at the moment (ie the threat of incursion, into space we hold claim over), and view it as one of those things that i dont want to do, but i have to do, so ..continued

Oratu
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.23 03:43:00 - [582]
 

Edited by: Oratu on 23/10/2006 03:53:03
i will continue do do what i do in ascn..
(as will alot of you BoB chaps will in BoB)

Final note to both sides: Let us both quit with this waste of effort, that is "ascn vs bob" threads, and get down to the business of fighting this war, opinions are all good, but common, both alliances have there faults, if u dont,like ascn, join bob, if u dont like bob, join ascn, simple, less effort on these boards, more effort on the field....

Final patriotic note: ASCN ftw ! (sorry bob, i do love my ascn, if i didnt i would not be part of it)
Final note to BoB: (to most of your members) respect, iam having a ball

Rainbow Jesus
Minmatar
Grief Tactics Amalgamated
Posted - 2006.10.23 04:08:00 - [583]
 

FUSED are very much looking foreward to jumping into this mess. We will hold a NBSI ofc. All parties who fear for their safety with us in local should stay docked, or at a deep SS as none of us can use scan probes yet, you'll be safe.

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.10.23 05:49:00 - [584]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
What is the difference, you ask? The difference is the dividing line between what is true and what is untrue. The goons did the things we accused them of, while we do not do things that ASCN are saying we do. The line between truth and falsehood is a very important one. The fact that you made that comparison shows that you do not see it.

I see it all too clear mate. Whenever you go to war the other side has to endure endless bantering on the forums. If not for some RL icky issue than its for the other side accusing you of exploiting. Oh noes! They must the absolute and utter ebil!!11!!one
This fanatism is too obvious for bystanders like me. Having BBQ parties is sweet and nice but turning into haters is totally over the top and silly.

Ian Novarider
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.10.23 13:04:00 - [585]
 

/me just inserts random sig for giggles

Have fun - we do ugh

Ian



Al Haquis
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.23 13:20:00 - [586]
 

Good post Oratu.

See you on the field.

With love from Al Haquis

Scan 7
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.23 13:44:00 - [587]
 

Heh comon BoB do you really have a problem with ASCN leaders demonizing you to get there carebears to fight? how else they gonna get em to fight? Im sure the BoB Leaders did similar

Blacklight: No matter how much booze i give my pilots they're bored ****less & keep asking if we can gank RKK, what can we do?

DBP: Lets have another meet have have dian strip for us again

Blacklight: No thanks once is bad enough, he couldnt even get wood :(

Molle: I have a better idea, lets hit the biggest carebears on the map.

DBP & BL: MC !!!!!

Molle: Sigh, do i have to do all the thinking around here??? NO I MENT ASCN MWAHAHAHAHAAA

BoB CEO's: Right we're gonan go attack ASCN guys

BoB Members: Hmm why?

BoB CEO's: Cos they're fat carebears who just mine and make loads of money thus have plenty of ships to blow up, and tbh theres no one else worth fighting

BoB Members: OMG KILLLL CAREBEARSSS!! YES YES SPAMM THE FORUMS1!111

//Sun Ra

Reite
Gallente
Art of War
Posted - 2006.10.23 15:29:00 - [588]
 

Edited by: Reite on 23/10/2006 15:33:13
Originally by: Oratu


Sub note on kill stats: u say you did not commit the titan fraud, i have no evidience you did and thus will not cast blame, but i will however use your arguemnt in realtion to how easy they are to forge, and i use this arguement, as one of many examples, of why killboards are no indicator of who is winning..)




The thing is. If BoB started faking killmails it would very very soon be discovered, and it would surely be all over the forums. And i know for sure that most of BoB would refrain from joining in on something like that. We have no need to fake killmails, we get enough of them in the proper way:)

And about the titan killmail. Im not accusing u of accusing us for anything, but how stupid do people think we are? Faking a Titan killmail would gain us nothing. When we kill the Titan everyone will know itWink

edit: this post wasnt aimed at you really. It was just a general answer to everyone who dont believe in our killboard.

D75485
Gallente
Underworld Zombies
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:59:00 - [589]
 

I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Kar'Dargo
Caldari
omen.
Posted - 2006.10.24 21:14:00 - [590]
 

Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current?

RogueWing
Caldari
Tools Of The Trade
Southern Connection
Posted - 2006.10.24 21:32:00 - [591]
 

Originally by: Kar'Dargo
Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current?


I'm not third party, but it's pretty much the same as it was last week. TCAG and GQ2 are still the primary areas of battle with smaller skirmishes breaking out in a few other areas. Neither side shows signs of slowing down or giving up.

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.24 21:39:00 - [592]
 

Originally by: RogueWing
Originally by: Kar'Dargo
Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current?


I'm not third party, but it's pretty much the same as it was last week. TCAG and GQ2 are still the primary areas of battle with smaller skirmishes breaking out in a few other areas. Neither side shows signs of slowing down or giving up.


nothing is happening in tcag tbh...

TheKiller8
Caldari
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.10.24 23:24:00 - [593]
 

Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN



Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.24 23:41:00 - [594]
 

Originally by: TheKiller8
Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN





I demand a flash movie

Robet Katrix
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.10.24 23:51:00 - [595]
 

Originally by: TheKiller8
Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN





tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks

USN CVN72
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2006.10.25 04:35:00 - [596]
 

Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: TheKiller8
Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN





tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks


ya thats a clean summary!!!
but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom...

Very Happy
USN loves you all

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.25 04:41:00 - [597]
 

Originally by: USN CVN72
Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: TheKiller8
Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN





tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks


ya thats a clean summary!!!
but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom...

Very Happy
USN loves you all


Don't tell me you heard that in the basement too where all the RL rejects are? right?Wink

ps. we had to pay 1,5 last month cause of the added "die node die"- and "insta log in" hax buttons.

Miv333
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.10.25 04:41:00 - [598]
 

Originally by: USN CVN72
Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: TheKiller8
Originally by: D75485
I only want to know how both sides are doing ?

Pretty much what you'd expect
  • BoB hasn't captured any outposts

  • ASCN hasn't captured any outposts

  • BoB pvp's better than ASCN





tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks


ya thats a clean summary!!!
but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom...

Very Happy
USN loves you all


"ASCN hasn't captured any POS's" may change within 24 hours Oo

"Bobs pvp is better" should stay the same if what i heard tonight was true =p

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.25 04:43:00 - [599]
 

Originally by: Miv333
"ASCN hasn't captured any POS's" may change within 24 hours Oo


How do you capture a POS?Razz
(I know you mean OP tho)

Rutefly
Amarr
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
Posted - 2006.10.25 12:29:00 - [600]
 

Originally by: hothead
lets be brutally honest here guys....
there is no other alliance in EVE atm that can match BOB ...
But there is also no need for their members to come on here and make fun of there opponents and slander them because they aint as good as them....if they fight you and they lose they get flamed.. if they dotn fight you and hide to save ships they get flamed.... BOB has managed to get most of the best pvpers in EVE into 1 allaince and then say to the rest of EVE fight us or else.. kinda sad..
I have some freinds in BOB from the old FA and i can also see why they might do it also because of the boredom but that partly is your own doing....
EVOL have become what i seem to recall they would never be....
this aint a flame just my observation since coming back and playing eve... flame me if you must but ive tried to be honest about what i think..Embarassed

You spoke my mind.
Also its kinda obvious that ASCN isnt going to bite on this bait-thread anytime soon.
I've heard alot of great stuff about BOB, but this thread made me annoyed with many BOB members.
BOB has a everyone-speak-their-mind policy perhaps ? If so, thats great i think. Moral responsibility of ones behavior is allowed too i think.
We cant all act like adults all the time, but we damn well could try and give it a shot (oops, sounds like my ex.).


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