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EEder
Posted - 2006.10.11 02:54:00 - [1]
 

First off, I apologize if this question comes off as a bit "newbie"ish. I'm a veteran gamer with loads of patience, a lot of knowledge of MMOgames and have been playing EVE for a bit now and absolutely love it.

After a ton of coaxing, I've finally convinced a few of my friends to join. They're enjoying it so far, steep learning curve and all. We're interested in doing some things together - you know, flying around and either fighting or mining together in a little mini-fleet of 3 frigates.

I seem to be hearing and reading a lot about PVP and predatory players preying on guys mining asteroid fields. Maybe I'm reading too much of http://www.eve-pirate.com/, but it seems like I hear stories of battleships/destroyers appearing in systems as high as 0.6 and effortlessly picking off guys doing a little mining.

Is it as bad as the impression I've got? Is it even worth mining unless you've got an alliance to back you up? Is there any point to mining if you're limited to 0.8 - 1.0 systems, or am I better off just running courier missions endlessly?

Putting this into context - any general advice for a group of 3 people giving the game a concentrated effort for at least a month or so? We're amazed by the game so far, but want to be able to interact and play "with" eachother as opposed to just talking about it the next day.

Thanks ahead.

GC13
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2006.10.11 02:59:00 - [2]
 

Dude, when I joined I solo mined in 0.4 without any trouble.

The only way a player could attack you in 0.5 or higher was if they declared war on your corporation (and if they did that, they'd attack you regardless of what you were doing). Other than that, the only way they can harm you is if they steal your ore and you either steal it back (they'll re-jettison it into one of their own cans) or if you shoot them for stealing your ore. Ore thieves tend to be rare outside of heavily-populated systems.

Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
Posted - 2006.10.11 03:04:00 - [3]
 

Mining wise, you're pretty safe in sec .5 and up really. .5 and up the EvE Police, CONCORD, comes and smashes anyone that shoots you when they're in the wrong. So .5 mining omber is feasable for you.

On a side note, if someone grabs stuff from a jetcan you make to "hold your ores" and you shoot them, they can and probably will shoot back.

If you do decide a 3 man mining op, I'd reccomend having one person in an industrial ship with a mining laser, and have the other two in specialised mining ships, Osprays if you can afford it, or any ship with + to mining. The two mining ships both dump stuff into a jetcan, and the person in the industial picks it all up when it's enough to fill his hold, and goes to drop it off. He probably should also pick the can up if another hauler gets too close to your can, just to be safe.

But really, mining is dull, hop in some frigs, one or two of you with warp scramblers, one or two of you with webbafiers, and go look for prey YARRRR!!

evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.10.11 03:10:00 - [4]
 

I mine in 0.4 all the time actually.

In 1.0 to 0.5, any pirates are playing the ore theif route to shoot you, so as long as you are careful you are fine.

In 0.4 and lower, watch local and check everyones security status, if you see someone in the neagtive be careful, if he is supernegative, run like the wind.

Tarazed Aquilae
Posted - 2006.10.11 03:48:00 - [5]
 

You are fairly safe in 0.5 and above. There are people who suicide pirate in high security but you probably donít have to worry much about them. They are looking for the guys flying half a billion worth of cargo around in a lightly armored hauler, not someone carrying a load of scordite. Itís simply not worth it for them to kill you.

Ore thieves can be a problem but they are usually concentrated in high population areas. Ore thieves are really just griefers anyway. They could make far more ISK by mining themselves. But there arenít enough of these idiots to bother you much. One might hit you once, but after that you will know who it is and can deal with him appropriately.

If you all spend a couple weeks or so training mining and refining skills as well as either Caldari or Minmatar cruiser to IV (for the mining cruisers) and if two of you mine and one of you hauls. (train industrial ships obviously) then combined you can probably make about 3-5 million an hour or so in a good high security system. (Fit a missile launcher and carry a couple medium drones each to help deal with belt rats.)

A million plus an hour isnít great money but itís not bad. You would probably be using 5 million in ship and gear to make that amount and it compares nicely to someone in 0.0 using 200 million in ship and gear to pull in 20 million an hour.

Three people who know each other and can work together could chew up missions too.

Eve can be a very harsh game. But itís really not very dangerous if you use the same common sense you would use when out walking the streetsÖ Stay out of bad neighborhoods. (low sec and 0.0.) Donít walk around with a few million in jewelry for every hoodlum to see. (Industrials loaded with 425 tech II railguns, Cap recharger IIs and BPOs) Donít leave your valuables sitting around when strange people are near by. (Ore thieves) Do this and you probably will never have a player shoot at you.

Kumu Honua
Posted - 2006.10.11 03:55:00 - [6]
 

Just get out of the crowded to hell and back areas.

Jita and such are not nearly as safe as would seem simply by the higher ratio of players in one location.

The more people in your system, the higher the chance that one of them will cause you trouble.

Find a quiet system, and you will be able to mine in peace and quiet.

Cipher7
Posted - 2006.10.11 07:13:00 - [7]
 

Mining in Highsec is safe, boring, and profitable.

Mining in Lowsec can be suicidal and generally is not worth it.

Mining in 0.0 is safe, boring, and pays a schitload of money.

Ki'ren Sun
A.T.F
Tenth Legion
Posted - 2006.10.11 07:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kumu Honua
Just get out of the crowded to hell and back areas.

Jita and such are not nearly as safe as would seem simply by the higher ratio of players in one location.

The more people in your system, the higher the chance that one of them will cause you trouble.

Find a quiet system, and you will be able to mine in peace and quiet.


QFT
The overcrowded systems are prone to the so-called ore thieves.

If you are looking for a nice quiet Gallente region you should have a look at Solitude.
Half the systems here are always empty, and asteroids are the size of small planets in most belts.
My corp has been mining there for nearly a year now and so far i have never heard of a single pirate or ore thief.
There's plenty of agents and complexes as well should you ever get bored of mining.
The perfect place to learn the game at your own pace for a new player

Vasiliyan
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.10.11 09:38:00 - [9]
 

Find a quiet area of space and you're fine. 0.1-0.4 is risky. if you can get into a good alliance space (possibly by buying a mining pass) then you're almost totally safe provided you pay attention to the intel channels and local.

You could try taking your little fleet of frigates into low sec and engaging in a little belt piracy - this really tests your teamwork and gets the heart pounding! Just be sure that you know the rules relating to aggression timers or you'll be shot up by sentry guns at gates and stations.

Sticker Shock
Posted - 2006.10.12 00:26:00 - [10]
 

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Is it as bad as the impression I've got? Is it even worth mining unless you've got an alliance to back you up? Is there any point to mining if you're limited to 0.8 - 1.0 systems, or am I better off just running courier missions endlessly?


Yes, and no. It can and does happen, but to think it happens all the time isn't true, so don't let that make you paranoid -- although being paranoid might serve you well. Razz Where you mine and the precautions you take do help.

Of course I've only been playing for about 2 months, so I certainly don't count as an expert.

I've had ore stolen on a number of occasions. In each case these players knew the game mechanics and were using them to their advantage. It doesn't help they can see you are a new player by checking your info. (This is a low risk/high reward situation for them, and a high risk/no reward situation for you.) In my opinion its best to just avoid them when/if possible.

I started with a small group of friends myself. There are potential advantages to working as a group. However, I made the mistake of focusing my training on mining, and using a barge. So after two months I find am I much more dependant upon my friends/others and my options are far more limited than theirs.

The game design apepars to favor for those who train towards a battleship. (I suppose this should be expected in a game billed as being PvP) My friends have trained accordingly. So naturally they can run missions far better than I can. However, it is a bit irritating they can also mine better than I do. Surprised It will be over 3 weeks before I can get into a Covetor and I'll be able to edge them out in mining again. (Assuming I'll be able to find a good place to mine.) Right now I have to decide if I shouldn't put off getting into a Covetor and take a few weeks to get into a battleship myself.

You may find you can do better running missions and avoid all the headaches associated with mining. A lot depends on your situation. In my case I'm limited by using a barge and friends who spend more time running missions. They don't want to go far from their agents. We also don't want a long trip for hauling minerals to a good market, for a variety of reasons. Are there enough asteroid belts with enough ore? How often will we need to move? What type of ore and how long till its all mined out? Will pirates, NPC or PC, be a problem there?

Unfortunately, my friends aren't keen on the idea of going to 0.0 space, although it seems to me the risk goes up considerably from .5 to .4 space and the reward does not. Personally I think we might as well go right down to 0.0 and get the rewards for the additional/higher risks. Razz However, once again that would probably take us further than they are willing to travel right now.

So if I had a battleship, I would have the option of mining in more locations, I would be much safer, and I could run much better missions and improve my agents/standings considerably faster. Basically more choices when I login to play Eve on any given occasion, and I'm not as dependant upon anyone else being there and able/willing to assist me. It would probably help if the agent/mission system was designed to foster group play more. I feel like I'm stealing from my friends when I go along on their missions. I get a cut of the bounty and any loot I pick up could potentially be a major portion of the credits they get out of the mission.

What can I say? I'm a miner; I fly a barge. Very Happy

Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.10.12 03:29:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sticker Shock


The game design apepars to favor for those who train towards a battleship. (I suppose this should be expected in a game billed as being PvP) My friends have trained accordingly. So naturally they can run missions far better than I can. However, it is a bit irritating they can also mine better than I do. Surprised It will be over 3 weeks before I can get into a Covetor and I'll be able to edge them out in mining again. (Assuming I'll be able to find a good place to mine.) Right now I have to decide if I shouldn't put off getting into a Covetor and take a few weeks to get into a battleship myself.





False, at least overall. It's true that for mining having more mining lasers is a good idea, and battleships have the most amount of hardpoints, making some of them quite effective miners. However, someone with a high amount of skill in a osprey or scythe can basically keep pace due to the bonuses of these ships and mining barges will flat out outpace them. Overall, it's the right tool for the right job. There are situations where a battleship is the ship of choice, but there are many more that it would be useless or foolhardy to use and a frigate would work much better.

I've been playing this game now for 2 years and I have battleship 3. It's not a requirement.

Jali Prince
Minmatar
JelliBeans
Posted - 2006.10.12 12:30:00 - [12]
 

I set off like you then mined in 0.6 to get some money, then thought I'd check out 0.4. I picked the right system and managed not to get blown up. The system rarely has more than 10 people in it, It has good sized npc rats to practice on and lots of loverly ore. I use a scythe, because of its mining bonuses, 3 de gaussian miners, 2 missile launcher and a drone for protection. Cargo extenders x2 plus armour, gets you upto 612 space. I have a ore scanner, a really big shield extender and just added a webber to slow em down... I rarely get half way down the shield before my npc rats are dead then can mine in peace. If you are unfortunate enough to get pvp, then thats the riskVery Happy

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