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Drakma
Gallente
Buttered On The Wrong Side
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:49:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



There you go, fixed it for you.

Romulus Maximus
Amarr
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:50:00 - [242]
 

Don..i dont think making any accounts of gms etc unable to join alliances is right. And no..im not a GM!Id imagine any abuse of power is quite easily traceable.And for sure, the mentality of BOB, we would not want to win by cheating. Id rather lose.

Romulus Maximus
Amarr
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:51:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



There you go, fixed it for you.


Wow, did you think that up all by your self ?
Grats

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:56:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



There you go, fixed it for you.


You dont really get that 400+ BS kills is enough motivation for our blood thirsty troops right ? lol Molles "motivation" speech after the weekend was a pat on the back for a job well done, one simple evemail that ill even send to you if you want to see how a real leaders treat their members. No BoB CEO has ever treated anyone of us with anything but respect and for that they only get the members respect back. We save the propoganda for eve-o our members are smart enough to see through bull**** like the blogs put infront of ASCN members. If anyone of your members believes youve hit a nerve with us or that your hurting us because your keeping the fight in our space ... think twice we are more then happy to entertain ourselves close to home, Its a first ill admit and im quite impressed that ASCN brought it to us. But trust me when i say that we are all happy and getting more and more motivated. ASCN may be a rich alliance ... but so are we and we can match anything you got.

Scoundrelus
Caldari
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:56:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Reite
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.

You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.


Proof or stfu?


Actually I can PROVE it.

The proof is *Censored* -CCP and furthermore *Censored* -CCP has admitted to being a GM on your alliance. On top of that I have a fraps of you guys *Censored* -CCP.

Drakma
Gallente
Buttered On The Wrong Side
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:56:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Romulus Maximus
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



There you go, fixed it for you.


Wow, did you think that up all by your self ?
Grats



Nope, I learned from BoB

Romulus Maximus
Amarr
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 22:58:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Drakma


Nope, I learned from BoB


Nothing to be ashamed of there mate Wink As fun as this isnt, im off to bed. o/
Oh, and what Kryztal said ^^^^

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 23:02:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Reite
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.

You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.


Proof or stfu?


Actually I can PROVE it.

The proof is *Censored* -CCP and furthermore *Censored* -CCP has admitted to being a GM on your alliance. On top of that I have a fraps of you guys *Censored* -CCP.


Rolling Eyes

Don ZOLA
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.10.10 23:07:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Don ZOLA
as i wrote in another thread bout gm issue :

numerous times BOB (and some other alliances i guess) were blamed for having GMS, DEVS, ISD in their ranks. ofc not blamed just for having them but accuses r always that those ppl abuse their powers for alliance causes.

imho ppl who work for ccp, no matter r they paid or volunteers shouldnt be able to join alliances and affect other ppls playing by abusing their powers.

personally if i ever found that for example gm in corp A helped corp A to win a fight against my corp i would sue ccp...


too much ppl is complaining on those things so i think best would be to make some collective petition to get such ppl (with normal and "power" accs) out of alliances. it would be hard and prolly some would try to remain on such positions and in their alliances but then simply find new ppl for such jobs. im pretty sure with such a big number of players nowadays, u can find plenty of volunteers to do the job properly


The fact of the matter is there is no proof that a GM/Dev is abusing his power and if anyone has that proof i would urge them to contact ccp. Ive been in BoB for awhile and i can honestly say ive never seen it and ive never been slipped any info on anything from a GM/Dev. So proof before accusation please cos i have absolutly no problem with GM/DEV's playing in other alliances then BoB.


i didnt accuse ur guys or anyone elses that they abuse powers, simply cuz i dont have any proofs for that. i just say ppl acccuse them. i can be or not be suspicious bout something but i aint gonna "attack" anyone without proofs. just said that when plenty of ppl talk bout it, it aint good for ccp if u know what i mean.

so plz read carefuly before "attacking" me. as i said i would kick them all from all alliances so ppl dont have to think bout that :)

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 23:10:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Don ZOLA
Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Don ZOLA
as i wrote in another thread bout gm issue :

numerous times BOB (and some other alliances i guess) were blamed for having GMS, DEVS, ISD in their ranks. ofc not blamed just for having them but accuses r always that those ppl abuse their powers for alliance causes.

imho ppl who work for ccp, no matter r they paid or volunteers shouldnt be able to join alliances and affect other ppls playing by abusing their powers.

personally if i ever found that for example gm in corp A helped corp A to win a fight against my corp i would sue ccp...


too much ppl is complaining on those things so i think best would be to make some collective petition to get such ppl (with normal and "power" accs) out of alliances. it would be hard and prolly some would try to remain on such positions and in their alliances but then simply find new ppl for such jobs. im pretty sure with such a big number of players nowadays, u can find plenty of volunteers to do the job properly


The fact of the matter is there is no proof that a GM/Dev is abusing his power and if anyone has that proof i would urge them to contact ccp. Ive been in BoB for awhile and i can honestly say ive never seen it and ive never been slipped any info on anything from a GM/Dev. So proof before accusation please cos i have absolutly no problem with GM/DEV's playing in other alliances then BoB.


i didnt accuse ur guys or anyone elses that they abuse powers, simply cuz i dont have any proofs for that. i just say ppl acccuse them. i can be or not be suspicious bout something but i aint gonna "attack" anyone without proofs. just said that when plenty of ppl talk bout it, it aint good for ccp if u know what i mean.

so plz read carefuly before "attacking" me. as i said i would kick them all from all alliances so ppl dont have to think bout that :)


Sorry hun, didnt mean to sound attackingly was more directed to the recent "threats" of exposing GM/Devs etc not you personally Wink

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 23:14:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Drakma
Nope, I tried to learn from BoB


Fixed.

Keep on learning, you are almost doing well.

Scoundrelus
Caldari
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2006.10.10 23:21:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Reite
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.

You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.


Proof or stfu?


Actually I can PROVE it.

The proof is *Censored* -CCP and furthermore *Censored* -CCP has admitted to being a GM on your alliance. On top of that I have a fraps of you guys *Censored* -CCP.


Rolling Eyes


Well *I* thought it was funny.Evil or Very Mad

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:10:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



There you go, fixed it for you.


You dont really get that 400+ BS kills is enough motivation for our blood thirsty troops right ? lol Molles "motivation" speech after the weekend was a pat on the back for a job well done, one simple evemail that ill even send to you if you want to see how a real leaders treat their members. No BoB CEO has ever treated anyone of us with anything but respect and for that they only get the members respect back. We save the propoganda for eve-o our members are smart enough to see through bull**** like the blogs put infront of ASCN members. If anyone of your members believes youve hit a nerve with us or that your hurting us because your keeping the fight in our space ... think twice we are more then happy to entertain ourselves close to home, Its a first ill admit and im quite impressed that ASCN brought it to us. But trust me when i say that we are all happy and getting more and more motivated. ASCN may be a rich alliance ... but so are we and we can match anything you got.


My eyes, they bleed D:

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:13:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
ASCN may be a rich alliance ... but so are we and we can match anything you got.


Flop your titan out for us then!

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:18:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Reite
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.



Proof or stfu?



Point 1, is fact, its been admitted by many, formally, and in informal conversations. Of course other alliances have GM's also.

Point 2, well ive never seen it myself. Out of people who log off to save pods, BoB seem to do it less than most.

Point 3, could be proven if we were allowed to post GM communications (Petition responces) on the forums, so its fact, but CCP porevent us providing proof.


Next youll be saying BoB cant shoot through PoS shields!!!!

Rolling Eyes

Lord Draco
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:25:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Reite
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.



Proof or stfu?



Point 1, is fact, its been admitted by many, formally, and in informal conversations. Of course other alliances have GM's also.

Point 2, well ive never seen it myself. Out of people who log off to save pods, BoB seem to do it less than most.

Point 3, could be proven if we were allowed to post GM communications (Petition responces) on the forums, so its fact, but CCP porevent us providing proof.


Next youll be saying BoB cant shoot through PoS shields!!!!

Rolling Eyes


Laughing

Welcome to the xirtam world of 'facts'. Hearing rumors from other tinfoilasshats does not constitute as a fact

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:33:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: w0rmy on 11/10/2006 00:34:55
Originally by: Lord Draco

Welcome to the xirtam world of 'facts'. Hearing rumors from other tinfoilasshats does not constitute as a fact


Being their first hand, does.

Hearing it first hand, does.

Seeing it first hand, does.


Having the GM petition responce sitting in my petition list, does.

Now try prove me wrong.



No Xirtams were involved in the making of this post.


Lord Draco
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:37:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
Edited by: w0rmy on 11/10/2006 00:34:55
Originally by: Lord Draco

Welcome to the xirtam world of 'facts'. Hearing rumors from other tinfoilasshats does not constitute as a fact


Being their first hand, does.

Hearing it first hand, does.

Seeing it first hand, does.


Having the GM petition responce sitting in my petition list, does.

Now try prove me wrong.



No Xirtams were involved in the making of this post.




Feel free to pot some pictures because quite frankly I can't take your word for it. You claim to see stuff first hand, how about some evidence. I could make a whole host of unsubstantiated claims, but without evidence I'd look like you.

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:39:00 - [259]
 

BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.


what employee would risk his job for a pc game,
i know wi wouldnt in this times.

if u encounter an bob pilot logging of his pod, send a mail to an director or ceo of him,
i promise he will get punished.

every single bob pilot hates lag,
and we do not have an advantage from lag, so why would one copy bms to cause lag?
thats plain stupid, and id like to see ur petition thingie, cause i dont believe u one word.
let me tell that we would kill way more ascn if there wouldnt b lag,
since lag makes -warp in sniping warp outs- way harder.

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:40:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: w0rmy on 11/10/2006 00:40:49
Originally by: Lord Draco

Feel free to pot some pictures because quite frankly I can't take your word for it. You claim to see stuff first hand, how about some evidence. I could make a whole host of unsubstantiated claims, but without evidence I'd look like you.



Unfortunately, as I stated before, I cannot provide evidence to Point 3, as the rules clearly state I am not allowed to. I would, if game rules would permit me.

And point 1, are you seriously suggesting BoB has NO GM's in its midst? Because saying so will loose you any credibility you had.


Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
[i]BOB has many GM's in the ranks.
what employee would risk his job for a pc game,



You dont read the forums then?

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:43:00 - [261]
 

well, w9ormy, u cans end me a link via evemail, to hazrat izza ingame.
if thats right ill come here and admit u were right.
til that happens ppl will b better off not believeing u one word,
its just plain stupid.

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:49:00 - [262]
 

Edited by: w0rmy on 11/10/2006 00:51:57
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
well, w9ormy, u cans end me a link via evemail, to hazrat izza ingame.
if thats right ill come here and admit u were right.
til that happens ppl will b better off not believeing u one word,
its just plain stupid.


Didnt a GM just get fired recently for cheating?

It was all over the forums, remember?

Oh thats right...

No employee would risk their Job for a game would they! Rolling Eyes

And if you cant use eve-search.com, it doesnt mean im wrong, it just means youve probably got fat fingers.


edit:

And for you trolls, at NO POINT have I suggested the GM's in bob cheat, simply facts made public:
A: BoB like other alliances have GM members.
B: GM's are people, and just like some people are criminals, some GM's will cheat. History has shown this.

Lord Draco
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.11 00:55:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: w0rmy


And point 1, are you seriously suggesting BoB has NO GM's in its midst? Because saying so will loose you any credibility you had.



Oh I see, so I ask for some proof and you try turning it around on me. I don't know and don't care if bob does or doesnt have GM's or CCP employees in their ranks. It is a red herring. If they are playing with us, good for them, they can see what needs improvements from a game mechanic standpoint. Just don't try playing word games here. It is your responsibility to provide proof not conjecture since YOU made the accusation and insuniations.

w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:00:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Lord Draco

Oh I see, so I ask for some proof and you try turning it around on me. I don't know and don't care if bob does or doesnt have GM's or CCP employees in their ranks. It is a red herring. If they are playing with us, good for them, they can see what needs improvements from a game mechanic standpoint. Just don't try playing word games here. It is your responsibility to provide proof not conjecture since YOU made the accusation and insuniations.



What accusations did I make?


BoB have GM members in their midst, just like many other alliances, its not an accusation, its a fact.

You asking me for proof is either a thinly vailed attempt for me to proceed past the terms of the AUP, or its an incredibly niave comment on your behalf.


You challenge me to prove it, hey well I challenge you to Deny it.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:05:00 - [265]
 

I see all the nutters are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.


w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:11:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
I see all the nutters are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.



Pot, Kettle, why hello their fellow Nutter.


To you sir, I extend a challenge that will stretch even your abilitys...

Here it is:

Post Constructively for once.


Remmington Daniels
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:18:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Blacklight
I see all the nutters are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.


Post Constructively for once.




That was a constructive post. Better than most of the bullcrap you're writing.

CitzNo 097864
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:29:00 - [268]
 

lol goonies tbqh Laughing

oDDiTy V2
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.10.11 01:52:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
What accusations did I make?


BoB have GM members in their midst, just like many other alliances, its not an accusation, its a fact.

You asking me for proof is either a thinly vailed attempt for me to proceed past the terms of the AUP, or its an incredibly niave comment on your behalf.


You challenge me to prove it, hey well I challenge you to Deny it.



Ok, so that may be true, HOWEVER, what the hell makes you think that any GM's player characters that may or may not be in BoB behave ANY differently than those who may or may not be in other alliances.

What is giving you the delusion that BoB has some sort of magical advantage being given to us?

Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.11 02:17:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Romulus Maximus

SirMolle's posts stem from the need to try and motivate his troops. Some leaders lie/bend the facts etc,to try and make thier efforts look better than they really are. Whether he actually believes what he writes, is the fine line seperating a mis guiding leader, and a nutjob!



I jump out on my alliance mates and leave them to die in their 2 Bill Dreadnoughts.


If we're changing quotes then i thought i'd fix yours as well. Wasn't that nice of me.



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