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Audrea
Gallente
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Audrea
LOL at the new sigs!
I loughed especially at the scum and villiny, and the Disturbance in the force! Very Happy

Perhaps next times siggies related to Star Trek? Cool


Star Trek is for mining carebears!

Twisted Evil




"I rather die as the man I was, than live the life I just saw!"
-Picard, Jean-Luck, after seeing the life of a carebear YARRRR!!

End Yourself
Minmatar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 - [182]
 

so what's that titan killmail all about? will i get to see some fancy explosion if i arrive in azn in time?!? Rolling Eyes

00tricky
Gallente
Reikoku
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Dirtball
Originally by: Plan Neun
Any "neutral" observer that can give any info on how combat progress exept for parties involved?




good to see all these neutrals respecting the wishes of the original poster


Q: Can a "neutral" observer be qualified to comment on something that they have not witnessed themselves?

A: No. There are no neutral observers involved in this (save the GM's, and I doubt they will comment in this thread with the details the OP is looking for).

Ergo, the OP, will not be answered exactly as requested, and you get what we have here... kick ass sigs!!!! YARRRR!!

welsh wizard
Caldari
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:21:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 18:36:44
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


I see your point.

Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.

Why did the GM move the BoB fleet? Where have these accusations come from? You say they're baseless and go on to accuse the guy who made the post of being less than mentally able.

Why should the Eve public believe you when BoB have in the past operated in a completely over the top and extremely aggressive manner on these forums?

I currently have no reason not to believe him...

"Use your brain!!!" you say "BoB obviously haven't got GM's in their ranks" etc etc.

So where have these baseless accusations come from?

Would appreciate it greatly if someone would address these points...

Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:23:00 - [185]
 

Laughing

I love those sigs.

Ysabelle nKataros
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:27:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 10/10/2006 18:27:10
ASCN gather evidence in their "BoB has node crash hax!" case

LUKEC
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:39:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: LUKEC on 10/10/2006 18:46:37

Originally by: welsh wizard



Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.


Will try to be constructive and objective.

Quote:

Why did the GM move the BoB fleet? Where have these accusations come from? You say they're baseless and go on to accuse the guy who made the post of being less than mentally able.


No GM moved any fleet. I doubt any bob ship was move at all.
After node dies, strange things kick in, sometimes rollback kicks in, sometime doesn't. I remember in k-9 when we crashed node for the first time, i woke up on deep safespot with different ammo and full hp. After we jumped into TCAG on sunday (? don't remember), i wasted like 10 minutes to log in and warped straight on gate.
But,saying that GM moved our ships is simply lie. As far as i understood mcGreedy's post/mail/utter crap, he claims bob people were moved from tcag into tpar on first day after pos spam, which is wrong. We had support going from tcag -> vy0 -> mgo -> tpar, killed bubbles then we did some movement tcag<-> mgo to have them warp around from gate to gate, then we finally jumped in at MGO gate. We had gang of something like 15-25, local was around 100 at that time. However don't forget most people brought various alts from delve and logged mains on once TPAR was secure. Don't blame us about lag,due to logging mains on/ alts off, yet, lag kicked in later. This was all before dt.


Quote:

Why should the Eve public believe you when BoB operate on the forums in such an aggressive and sometimes ridiculous (in my opinion) manner?
I currently have no reason not to believe him...


I don't belive you are in fountain either tbh. But look at last 2 paragraphs of mcGreedy's post, stating crap about not beeing able to crash node when GM's were around. In same paragraph he explains that same ebil GMs h4xed their pos... But tell me what sane person wants to crash node when he has dreads at deathstar(mostly offline, tyvm)

Quote:

"Use your brain!!!" you say "BoB obviously haven't got GM's in their ranks" etc etc.
So where have these baseless accusations come from?


No idea, i don't know any GM, not in bob nor otherwise. And even if we would have GM inside bob, do you really think he would risk his RL job for some stupid pos or whatever? Use your brains please, tell us what would reasonable person do?
ps. GM Guard was around as well, he has some nice history with 5. and ATUK and poses. (nothing bad/wrong about him)
Quote:

Would appreciate it greatly if someone would address these points...


Hope it helps.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:39:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/10/2006 18:40:24
Originally by: welsh wizard

Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.



(lukec answered the rest above)

Well, I dunno Welsh if you were around during the PA then FA wars that we fought but quite simply there seems to be two types of leader in Eve.

There are the guys like the BoB CEO's, Darth, ShinRa, Eddz, etc etc who lead their corps from the front.

Then there are the guys like Halseth, Tornsoul, remedial, Cyvok etc who led from the back.

One type of leader will give thier members free will to speak when they want because they know that whatever they say it can be backed up ingame.

The other type of leader needs to ban their members from talking for fear of pulling the rest of Eve onto their heads.

This next point is the crunch of the matter however.

One of those leaders only needs to say "gg" to their fighters every so often.

The other type needs to wax lyrically with false progaganda in a vain effort to make his troops go out to the slaughter knowing full well that they will get slaughtered.

They will try anything to keep the alliance together long enough to see off the enemy but invariably will fail because the alliance members simply do not see them enough on the field leading fleets and bringing victories where it matters.

You can lie to a member of an alliance for as long as you want but the beauty about the EvE-O forums, fraps, killboards etc is that they can always go find out for themselves the truth.

dbp

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:46:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?

Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?

Robert Dobbs
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:51:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Plim
In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?


You do need a certain amount of intelligence in order to understand these words, i'm afraid. He said "individual node crashes", insinuating that these guys log off on contact. Which they do.

LUKEC
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:52:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?

Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?


You really don't get it, do you. Let me explain it to you slow and in simple words: they logoff to save their pods.

I hope you understand that it doesn't matter whether in dictor bubble or whatever, pod WILL warp. Probing it solves matter a little, but we are short on probes already.
Refer to some sig for further info.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:53:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Plim
In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever.


Ok Plim every time an ASCN pilot logs off to save his pod we'll fraps it just for you. Molle's subtle dig about them repeatedly logging off obviously zoomed right over the top of your head there.

LadyScarlet
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:54:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?

Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?



BOB didnt claime anything that cyvok didnt say himself, if you missed the thread where he said it maye you should ask for a copy and read it.

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:58:00 - [194]
 

No, what Cyvok said was open to interpretation and you used it for propaganda.

And apparently Molle's statements were open to interpretation too so chill the **** out kids. And he didn't provide any evidence, so it is still a vacuous statement. Fraps it if you want, Iím not saying it doesnít happen.

See why I like winding you guys up? Irate or what Rolling Eyes

Rod Blaine
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:58:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/10/2006 18:59:48
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?

Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?


We sometimes make references to CYVOK's famous internal forum post on strategy versus BoB where he announced that rather then lose his outposts he'd have his blob crash the node repeatedly till we give up or lost all our dreads attemtping to kill his pos.

You see, stating the intention (in quite serious words actually, I'm not sure if you've actually seen the post we're referring to ?) seriously, in command communications to your entire alliance, is rather different from using quotes from such communications to poke fun at your opponent.

In all honesty, the post/blog made by John Mccreedy is seriously delusional. The seriousness with which he communicates his allegations internally, to his alliance, speaks for itself. It shows that the allegations and excuses he makes for our better performance around TPAR are actually meant seriously, not in jest.

You can find direct quotes from his post/blog earlier in this thread. You tell me where we ever made such ridiculous allegations against ASCN ? Exactly, nowhere. we only quoted Cyvok in jest, alluding to his words about abusing lag as part of his defense strategy.


DeadProphet
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 18:59:00 - [196]
 

dunno about you guys, i'm having a farking good time

(and a good laugh at mr mcreedy's expense)

welsh wizard
Caldari
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:01:00 - [197]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 19:12:41
Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 19:03:19
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard
persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!




theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.


Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?

Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?


You really don't get it, do you. Let me explain it to you slow and in simple words: they logoff to save their pods.

I hope you understand that it doesn't matter whether in dictor bubble or whatever, pod WILL warp. Probing it solves matter a little, but we are short on probes already.
Refer to some sig for further info.


We're quite aware of that thank you. About 50% of our targets in do it everytime they lose a ship.

Lost count of the number of pods we've nailed at a safespot because they log off at the gate once they've lost their ships.

People who log to save their ships and/or pods must be punished. There is nothing quite so intensely frustrating in this game as watching some loser log off at a bubbled gate in his ship/pod.

Darcuese
Amarr
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:03:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Darcuese on 10/10/2006 19:03:45
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Plim
In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?


You do need a certain amount of intelligence in order to understand these words, i'm afraid. He said "individual node crashes", insinuating that these guys log off on contact. Which they do.


LaughingLaughing.

Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?

welsh wizard
Caldari
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:06:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 19:19:31
removed

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:09:00 - [200]
 

Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.

Thanks for providing a well written and non-abusive post by the way. If BoB's other members could be adult more often, I might even start responding in a similar way myself (unfortunately they can't).

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:10:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Darcuese


Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?


They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away Wink

Astasia Orian
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:13:00 - [202]
 

Quote:
I think you are a stain on what the real Band of Brothers stood for.


Aah an oldie but goodie.
Henry V stood for going round smacking people about because he was the boss and because he could. That's us. We happy few.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:13:00 - [203]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim
Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.



This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.

Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.

Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.

Darcuese
Amarr
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Darcuese on 10/10/2006 19:19:21


Originally by: Plim


Thanks for providing a well written and non-abusive post by the way. If BoB's other members could be adult more often, I might even start responding in a similar way myself (unfortunately they can't).


There you go again..making me shameEmbarassed

Hint...you think you know what we talk about, but you dontRazz
..and, do step infront of mirror next time to post soemthing like this, sou you could see its Plim standing infront of you...*adult*..heh


Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darcuese


Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?


They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away Wink



OH, ITS ALIVEExclamationExclamation

You still didnt make your move about becoming new EVE mesiah?

HordeZla
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:15:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darcuese


Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?


They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away Wink



Rolling rollling rolling, keep them wagons rolling along.....All we need now is a Band for them there wagons and its complete.

Rod Blaine
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:26:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim
Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.



This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.

Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.

Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.



We're not accusing, we are making fun of him.

If you find someone accusing Cyvok of that as seriously and in as delusional terms as Mr Mccreedy has used in his recent 'state of the union', make sure to call me.

Cupdeez
Caldari
Out of Order
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 - [207]
 

BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.

You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim
Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.



This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.

Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.

Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.



This is exactly what I mean. How is it BoB seem to have interpreted the same information in a completely different way I wonder? Neutral

And Darcuese, as I have previously explained elsewhere my over the top antagonism towards BoB is a joke, I have been winding you up. I was mimicking the angry kid attitude that some BoB members have (not all) to see how you would react. I'm jacking in it in now though because it has started to get old.

If BoB had given people some level of respect you would never had found a single post like that from me ever.

Rod Blaine
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:30:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/10/2006 19:32:51
Originally by: Cupdeez
BOB has many GM's in the ranks.

BOB your players logoff to save pods too.

BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.

You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.


Oh god, did Xirt get cloned or what ?

We
dont
sploit
period

Yes, that includes abuse of GM powers (as if any would abuse their powers in the first place) and lagsploitaging. We do neither, none, nada, capiche ?

As for logging off to save pods, I can't say since I can't follow every BoB pilot around to fraps him 23/7.

And anyway, how the **** would you know in the first place. IMP hasn't actually fought us since what ? 2004 ?

hangovur
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.10.10 19:44:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darcuese


Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?


They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away Wink




i prefer to think of it as stocking the pond. :-D


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