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Salazar N'terre
Caldari
The Technomages
Posted - 2003.10.24 23:26:00 - [1]
 

Today were fighting our very first war. So far we have podded them over and over, and have not taken any losses. Its just the first day.

Well today a corp mate was watching the jump in point, in pops one of the guys from earlier, he comes up as our enemy (Enemy corp) So my corp mate starts to shoot him, 3 shots into the fight he gets the "your sec status has been lowered message", great, the guy quit his corp in the middle of battle.

What the heck is with this tactic?

Ok, I am not whining, I just want some input from the community. It just seems odd, We didnt declare war, our region has enough issues as it is. why bother with more than one headeache. I think they just declared war on us because:

1) We appear to just be a mining corp (wrong).
2) They were bored, arent we all.
3) Someone paid them enuff money to go have more fun. Always possible.


Im sure to get flamed. But thats what i get for posting on the flame section of the forum.

Enraku Reynolt
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2003.10.25 00:59:00 - [2]
 

Its cheap, and Ive seen it
if you cant stand a fight, dont start a war
it makes you look worse when half your corp leaves just to save themselves

Gravedancer
Caldari
LV Praetorians
Posted - 2003.10.25 03:46:00 - [3]
 

What he didnt mention was that the guy later on joined back into his corp. He just quit his corp during the fight so that our guy would lose security status. To be honest I had at least some amount of respect for Mercenary Frigates before this incident. I mean they are doing something (fighting in frigates) that is pretty difficult to do successfully. The cheeseball tactic of switching corps in mid fight just to screw someones security status is just lame.


Exel Aurora
Posted - 2003.10.25 04:21:00 - [4]
 

Well, ask Techell how the GM's respond to people who quit there corp mid-fight. If I recall correctly, some TLBC guys quit mid-fight in a sec system and Concord blew the Techell guys up. Techell petitioned it, they got their ships back and the TLBC guys got a stern warning.

Maraq
Caldari
Radikus Industries
Posted - 2003.10.25 04:57:00 - [5]
 

That should be a bannable offense.

Or if people can't fight with dignity just make so people can't leave a corp while the corp is at war with another corp.

Kakalot
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.25 05:16:00 - [6]
 

Tsk tsk this game has problem! But why this didn't happen in the first few months of game play? Guess everyone was too busy mining so war is not an issue? Twisted Evil . Well well, we are still beta testing the game, right? right???

Chai N'Dorr
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Posted - 2003.10.25 09:10:00 - [7]
 

Gotta say that is one of the lamest fighting 'tricks' next to can/drone/mine/whatever lagging.

Wars are a dirty thing and I've done all kinds of things to get the upper hand in a War (in other games), but never did I 'exploit' some game feature to my benefit to do so.

Report the person, and the bit of respect I had for MF, just got lowered a notch.

Perdita X
Amarr
The Collective
Posted - 2003.10.25 09:21:00 - [8]
 

What does one have to do to get banned around here if doing this means just a slap on the wrist?

John Zeppe
Amarr
Posted - 2003.10.25 09:28:00 - [9]
 

Petition, nothing to be ashamed of. Wink
You don't have to be a carebear to petition this "tactic", I hear people have almost (?) been banned for using it. Very lame. Evil or Very Mad

Astaroth
The Scope
Posted - 2003.10.25 10:16:00 - [10]
 

bleh the sad thing is that i reported this bug/exploit months ago to ccp ........

darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2003.10.25 11:23:00 - [11]
 

Errrrrrrrm. Iv seen nothing of merc frigates name getting mentioned.Embarassed.

Was it them, and iv just been left out of the loopCoolRolling Eyes

Ch'ryl
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.10.25 11:23:00 - [12]
 

Yeah it's very lame and makes the whole idea of war a mockery. Mercenary Frigates are always on the boards calling people carebears for not wanting to fight and it's more than a little ironic that when someone does fight back they pull tricks like this. Did I hear someone say carebears? Laughing

SwitchBl4d3
Heretic Army
Posted - 2003.10.25 11:53:00 - [13]
 

It's CCP's fault for not making the quit option carry a time penalty. anyone could claim tehy done it by mistake.

still 4-5 people doing it at the same time obviously is planned. but if they want to start banning people for it they havent really got a leg to stand on legally wise.

Chai N'Dorr
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Posted - 2003.10.25 12:04:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
It's CCP's fault for not making the quit option carry a time penalty. anyone could claim tehy done it by mistake.


Sure... He mistakenly went to Corp Folder before (or during) a battle, mistakenly opened the Members Tab and during the battle he mistakenly right clicked on his character, mistakenly selected 'Leave Corp' and mistakenly confirmed that as well.

It's a know 'feature' to be able to leave your corp in a hurry, using this 'feature' in this way is what in my definition is an 'exploit'.

As long as CCP will just give a small warning to not do so again instead of banning the account for a week on first offense, people will always use exploits as the benefits outweigh the non-existent penalty.

Jack Hayden
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.25 13:26:00 - [15]
 

Lame tatic that only cowards use. AFAIK you can petition it and the person will get a warning/ban and you ship and sec status will be fixed.

IF the GM's can prove that it occured. They should be able to since they must be able to see that corp A fights corp B and member of B suddenly quits then later rejoins. Smells fishy.

Mr Money
Amarr
The Journey Fan Club
Posted - 2003.10.25 13:47:00 - [16]
 

One of the most lame if not the most lame tatic usedSad

Borghildar
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.10.25 13:54:00 - [17]
 

Mmm.. I guess abusing game functions in a way they were not intended to gain etc advantages over other plays is an exploiting if anything.

..and CCP has gone out with info that they will not tolerate such behavior.. so I can't see why people that do this get away with a warning. Should lead to a temporary ban atleast.

Easy Target
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe.
Posted - 2003.10.25 14:56:00 - [18]
 

where did it mention that it ws mercenary frigates that did this???

not a defending post as if they did do it i am with u lot, it is cheap and should be frowned upon, i just didnt see MF mentioned in the first post...
may be me being blind...

i dunno...

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Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2003.10.25 15:07:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: voogru on 25/10/2003 15:08:36
Just FYI, I am the corp mate Salazar was talking about.

I petitioned and sent them screenshots/logs and pretty much everything I had agiast them. I consider myself very lucky because the cops didnt show up and whoop my ass, I only lost around -0.09 sec status as well, but still.

If anyone tries this tactic on me be assured that I will petition, I am not a carebear, If they play properly and kick my ass, great. But if they try to exploit because they lack the balls to fight for real, then they are just a bunch of lamers.

Viceroy
Posted - 2003.10.25 15:22:00 - [20]
 

This is an EXPLOIT.

Petition it and you'll prolly get your stuff back + the guy will get a good spanking from a GM.

Bexxly
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.25 16:10:00 - [21]
 

Quote:
Yeah it's very lame and makes the whole idea of war a mockery. Mercenary Frigates are always on the boards calling people carebears for not wanting to fight and it's more than a little ironic that when someone does fight back they pull tricks like this. Did I hear someone say carebears? Laughing



where in the HELL does it mention merc frigates???? stop being an arse just for the sake of it.

And WRT the post, I can't agree more, quitting corp mid battle should be a bannable offence, that's probably the most childish thing I've heard off happen in this game. I even extend that to quitting the corp just to be able to travel/mine in peace but there you go, that's jus' my opinion.

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2003.10.25 16:18:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: voogru on 25/10/2003 16:19:17
Quote:

where in the HELL does it mention merc frigates???? stop being an arse just for the sake of it.



Quote:

Originally posted by Gravedancer

What he didnt mention was that the guy later on joined back into his corp. He just quit his corp during the fight so that our guy would lose security status. To be honest I had at least some amount of respect for Mercenary Frigates before this incident. I mean they are doing something (fighting in frigates) that is pretty difficult to do successfully. The cheeseball tactic of switching corps in mid fight just to screw someones security status is just lame.



Gravedancer
Caldari
LV Praetorians
Posted - 2003.10.25 17:58:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
Errrrrrrrm. Iv seen nothing of merc frigates name getting mentioned.Embarassed.

Was it them, and iv just been left out of the loopCoolRolling Eyes


It was them. Sal didnt mention their name, but im not so nice. Mercenary Frigates is the corp that declared war on us and then started using this cheeseball tactic when they realized we werent an easy target (like after the score was about 6 or 8 MF guys destroyed and podded to 0 MUC guys).

Gravedancer
Caldari
LV Praetorians
Posted - 2003.10.25 18:00:00 - [24]
 

Quote:
where did it mention that it ws mercenary frigates that did this???

not a defending post as if they did do it i am with u lot, it is cheap and should be frowned upon, i just didnt see MF mentioned in the first post...
may be me being blind...

i dunno...

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Sal didnt mention the corp by name in his post, but as I am a VP in the same corp as Sal, I can assure you that is is Mercenary Frigates he was talking about as thats the only corp we have ever been at war with.


Gravedancer
Caldari
LV Praetorians
Posted - 2003.10.25 18:02:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
If they play properly and kick my ass, great. But if they try to exploit because they lack the balls to fight for real, then they are just a bunch of lamers.



Voogru is telling the truth.. we never hear him complain (too much) about losing his ships even though hes been the MUC record holder for destroyed Thorax's for the past several weeks. Very Happy




Salazar N'terre
Caldari
The Technomages
Posted - 2003.10.26 02:34:00 - [26]
 

As angry as I was about the Merc frigates, I thought it best not to drag said corp thru the mud. Maybe i still have the gloves on in this war. Yes it was the merc frigates corp.

Valdi
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.10.26 03:31:00 - [27]
 

Thatīs just the way it is, things will never by the same, thatīs just the way it is, oh yeah................ deal with it

Kashtarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.26 10:56:00 - [28]
 

They ,.. they .. they ..

Yes you may rephrase that to one, one used this lame ass tactic.

It should be bannable, but I dont recall anyone leaving MF and rejoining it again,.. oh well.

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Bexxly
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.26 12:12:00 - [29]
 

ok, so ONE of us quit, hardly what constitutes a tactic, also he never came back. Most of us have moved on or quit because TBH the game isn't even worthy of a yawn anymore. Oh and by all means flame cook this reply just to add originality Rolling Eyes

Easy Target
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe.
Posted - 2003.10.26 18:29:00 - [30]
 

can i suggest that the first poster says who did it next time to save teh confusion for the non mind readers amongst us...

oh and big up to the people who did it... it ****ed u off right... thats always good... :-)

Easy Target...
Wonder how long it will take for me to be branded an exploiter after that comment.... muahahahaha
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