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First CityWide Change Bank
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:23:00 - [1]

I started to write this in response to someone else's post, but I felt it was worthy of its own discussion.

EVE is a hugely tactical game. Its victories are often won with no shots fired. Heck, victories can be won on the forums (/waves to Sir Molle). Victories exist in building an outpost, a titan, and a successful organization. When you can appreciate the victories that come from factors other than an even fight on the battlefield, you will appreciate EVE as a whole, and it becomes much harder to lose interest. Now, of course, you may not be the industrialist or the forum ***** or the 50M sp 100:1 ratio pvp'r, but it is about your contribution to these successes is where the fun in EVE is derived from.

If you are seeking the adrenaline rush of PvP constantly just for PvP's sake, this is not the game for you. Your time will end when alliances can actually lock down their space. I don't care if you are a double digit billionaire now, you will run out of cash because the alliances will be harvesting all the resources. Alliance members will be in the shiny Tech 3 toys while you are bored because you can't get even fights anymore because you are always outgunned.

Here is where I urge those players annoyed with that idea to sit back and realize this is not a PvP game in the sense of Counter Strike, but more like Age of Empires. Yes, I am speaking to the rest of the veterans here. I am disappointed that you did not see this earlier. Many of you in pure fighting PvP organizations say that EVE is the game for you because it has consequences when you lose. Yet you seem to forget the fact that you have built up such a backing that it no longer has consequences to lose a ship, and is in essence no better than WoW PvP. You accuse the other side wossing out, when in reality the other side understands there are consequences in going into battle and there is a bigger picture than simply defeating every party that comes along looking for a fight.

I once was in a pure fighting PvP group. Molle called me inconsequential. I laughed and pointed to my killboards where we were beating his organization. Then I understood that fighting victories are not the only victory condition in EVE, and realized he was right. I moved on.

Now, do you wish to see the fun in other parts of the game besides pewpew, or can I have your stuff? This turned into a bit more of a rant then I intended, so I'll don my flame suit now.

(btw, being annoyed with laggy posses etc is a perfectly valid point, yet the real 'players' deal with it)

Rick Dentill
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:27:00 - [2]

Sweet me taking extra special care of my ships and avoiding pvp is playing the game properly. Mind you avoiding fights is best for me, its been about 8 months since I won one Sad

Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:28:00 - [3]

Dont remember you, molle isnīt the only one calling you inconsequential, you can pretty much bet anyone in evol is Razz

Posted - 2006.09.28 15:31:00 - [4]

I see someone else did a "What is the meaning of EVE-Life" thread at the same time as me. Razz

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:32:00 - [5]

Hmm... nope. I still like fighting. ;)

Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:37:00 - [6]

Win or lose, pew pew is still fun. I however see the point where if that's all you are doing, then you are missing out on a lot of other things.

First CityWide Change Bank
Posted - 2006.09.28 15:59:00 - [7]

I think my sig is winning this thread so far, lol.

Don't get me wrong, I love shooting things as much as the next non-empire player.

And I wasn't reffering to me personally with the Molle comment, but rather a group of players (the ORIGINAL VC)

Raptus Regaliter
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2006.09.28 16:06:00 - [8]

Playing Eve is like plying endless, hour-long, rounds of cards.

Mostly without a pot of money in the middle.

Its a slot machine.

A collectible card game.


There is NO point.

Dont give me this social interaction bull, i get more social life from any other activity i am able to do than from playing EvE. Hell, its more social to go to the supermarket and talk to the clerks than playing a MMO.

EvE is fun, yes, ut its a re-active sense of ******ed fun, where you have to sit back and watch your collected items collect dust by themselves. And then you go and smash em to bits, cause you hate em so much.

Thats great fun.

First CityWide Change Bank
Posted - 2006.09.28 16:09:00 - [9]

Originally by: Andreask14

I do not know what game you are playing, but I suggest you stop before you hurt yourself Laughing


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