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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2006.09.26 09:25:00 - [31]
 

child murdering slaver devil-god....I just wanted a nice thread to put that most excellent turn of phrase after I heard it a few days ago.

It's just so *true*, too.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.09.26 10:26:00 - [32]
 

Phaw!

Spoken with the truth only a fascist zealot could see, where the solution to destitution is even more wicked and depraved than could be imagined by decent and upstanding citizens. A blind eye does not suffice to describe the treatment, but interment, forced labour, or even neurotoxic execution with subsequent biomass reprocessing is the truth of some less empathic regime's spotless cities.

The Federation has a lot to offer any individual. They offer freedom of choice, freedom of living and freedom of mind. It is a choice to let your own mind see the truth, or let it be clouded by the teachings or rhethorics of others, for that is all the substance of this god worship!

I am an Intaki scholar, and I have studied what history remains, what could be saved and reconstructed by the Sisters of EVE. Spirituality has been a cause for great strife, misguided notions, and unjustices throughout history, but when tempered with the truth that only an open mind and science can offer it can also be constructive and benificient for the mind.

Only the modern and upright teachings of the Servant Sisters today could satisfy the thirsty spirit and lift up the thirsty mind. I urge the doubters to rethink. Think for yourself, embrace not what others tell you to embrace, but what you believe in yourself. Serve not a God of words, serve not a God of slavery, for with such a God all are slaves of either spirit or of mortal body.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.09.26 10:55:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Archbishop
You who complain about slavery miss the true purpose of slavery. ENLIGHTENMENT. The gift we Amarr give to the heathens at great cost to ourselves.

Of course slavery seems cruel to those not dedicated to God. But to those who worship the truth it is a necessity given the reluctance of these Minmatar miscreants to find God on their own. Left to their own devices they worship the sky and water Gods and some rock mountain God or whatever. Primitive superstitions and clan rituals are no substitute for the true God that is the God of Amarr.

You fail to realize the great cost of slavery. No on the Minmatar for they only receive in the relationship but on the Amarrians. Training, feeding, healthcare, education, housing, the costs far outweigh the labor benefit we may receive. Indeed a robot would do a much better job much faster and with a higher rate of accuracy. Yet we Amarrians are so generous we sacrifice this to give the heathens hope.

The Minmatar are like children. Would you let a child refuse medicine because it tastes unpalatable? Of course not you would force the child to take it because you know what is best. Just as we know what is best for the Minmatar.

As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then? It will be the Amarr, dedicated to God and hope, bringing structure and religion to shine light on the darkness that is the Gallente Federation.

Praise God!

Archbishop
PIE Priest




enlightment we ask?
seeing clouds in your mind, sheep.

for self, one should search for enlightment.
shoveling down throat, enlightment is not.

denies when one is own god and own demon, preaches for god where sheep dilute themselves.

sheeps not part of selves. too coward to come forth and become one with one.
cowering behind diluted image of sheep.
diluting self worse than drug trash.
clouded mind and do not want to see.

power only amarrian sheep has in ships. mind weak as fedo's brain.

learn that amarrian sheep are clouded and grey.

Irongut
Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2006.09.26 11:46:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

Godlessness.



There are many things wrong with your sermon Archbishop but this is probably the biggest. Whilest there are people in the Federation who do not believe in any god, there are also many religious people. Our Intaki bretheren in particular tend to be a pious people. We tolerate many religions within our borders, even your own.

All cities have their problems and their poorer classes. I myself have spent time in Kor-Azor and Khanid and even in the capitol city on Amarr and have seen scenes not disimilar to those you describe. Poverty is something all races struggle to eliminate, we should be working together towards this goal rather than pointing fingers and bickering with each other.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.26 11:56:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Ithildin

The Federation has a lot to offer any individual.


And that's the problem.

The Gallentean way of life is focused around the individual. Gallenteans ask themselves what their Federation and their fellow citizens can do for them. This leads to selfishness and ignorance.

In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.26 11:57:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Irongut
Originally by: Archbishop

Godlessness.



There are many things wrong with your sermon Archbishop but this is probably the biggest. Whilest there are people in the Federation who do not believe in any god, there are also many religious people. Our Intaki bretheren in particular tend to be a pious people. We tolerate many religions within our borders, even your own.

All cities have their problems and their poorer classes. I myself have spent time in Kor-Azor and Khanid and even in the capitol city on Amarr and have seen scenes not disimilar to those you describe. Poverty is something all races struggle to eliminate, we should be working together towards this goal rather than pointing fingers and bickering with each other.



There is a difference between Godlessness and godlessness.

Idaeus
Posted - 2006.09.26 14:12:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
The time has come to give Gallenteans a cleansing they deserve.
I am quite clean, but if you wish my dear, I would be willing to get a little dirty with you.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.09.26 16:06:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Ithildin

The Federation has a lot to offer any individual.


And that's the problem.

The Gallentean way of life is focused around the individual. Gallenteans ask themselves what their Federation and their fellow citizens can do for them. This leads to selfishness and ignorance.

In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.

Ah, yes. Rhethorics.

While one can claim that selfless servitude to the community leads to benevolens and knowledge, this is far from the truth. Every entity, be it one individual or a whole community, needs a leader, someone or something to guide it. If an individual sacrifices his freedom to the community, his choices, life, and mind belongs to the whims of that which thinks for the community.

The Federation offers freedom, but freedom without knowledge or freedom without responsibility is useless. You are required to think for yourself, and you are required to be responsible for your own actions, something that the Amarrian philosophy is severely lacking.

I am proud and unashamed. I need no god to give me courage. I need no emperor to direct my words. I need no book to tell me how to think.

Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
StateCraft Industries
Posted - 2006.09.26 16:17:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Wild Rho
Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/09/2006 07:41:39
Originally by: Zion Zan'threxian

Sacrifice? Enlightenment? What of murder, torture. You say this is the reasoning? Perhaps if it wasn't blatently obvious this farce. A sick child who doesn't wish to take medicine to cure his ails would be a valid analogy, if you consider torturing the child until he concedes and accepts the medicine in the metaphorical comparison. But then I don't doubt it of your kind to do that.


Slaves are not murdered and tortured, they are well treated and cared for, indeed the SPCS was founded to ensure this was the case.



I have to agree with this. Have you met the slaves that you seem to try to defend. Granted, not every member of the Empire treats their slaves with full respect, But as for myself (Yes, I admit, I own a number of slaves) and may of my Amarrian Comrades, Our slaves are actually Quite Happy with the jobs that they are performing, Well, At least the ones who were bought honestly.

Being Gallantee, I'm not bound by some of the Rules the Empire places forth on Slave ownership. I'm proud to admit that my Re-Education program is moving along quite nicely, Already Over Seventy-Five war Criminals who were to be put to death, have been rescued by me, And tought the value of a life with hard work.

Given the opperunity, I doubt that half the slave population in the Empire would be willing to leave their masters, and the other half that did leave would detest the living conditions in which they "escaped" into.

Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
Posted - 2006.09.26 20:07:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Val Erian on 26/09/2006 20:15:07
As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then?

I'll put my trust in Ogre II's.Twisted Evil

Given the opperunity, I doubt that half the slave population in the Empire would be willing to leave their masters, and the other half that did leave would detest the living conditions in which they "escaped" into.

Hmm, seem to remember reading something about a drug the Amarr give their slaves...they die if they dont get the anti dote...guess they wouldn't want to leave without itRolling Eyes


Derran
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.09.26 20:33:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.


Um, no you don't. The Emperor just tells you what to do and you do it, no matter how inhumane it may be. You do it out of blind faith.

Derran
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.09.26 20:38:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Vanzer
Please, Archbishop, stop. When will you learn that you cannot force someone to be enlightened? Putting people into slavery to enlighten them is simply brainwashing. They will only believe in god because you've programmed them too, not because they truly believe.

By enslaving people and forcing them to follow your religion, you are, in actuality, doing a great disservice to your religon. People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.


Vanzer,

I don't think I could have said it better myself. You are exactly right.

And strange, is it not, that there has been no issue with Caldari society and their the constant struggle for wealth? Perhaps those they consider allies are not corrupt simply due to political reasons. So much for objectivity and faith. It seems this sermon is just religious and political propaganda.

Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2006.09.26 22:49:00 - [43]
 

A nice sermon. Archbishop talks about drugs, **** and the lack of moral values in the Gallente Federation. Unfortunatly he forgot to name the root of this evil: democracy.

Democracy is a political concept that is very alien to Amarr, and in fact alien to all other races beside the Gallenteans. I think I must explain what democracy is and then you will see why it is evil.

The simplest way to describe a democracy is this: Three people form a government, each having one vote. Then two of them vote to steal the wealth of the third. This explains all you must know about democracy.

There is much more to say about democracy, though. I can only touch the tip of the iceberg but today I am in the mood to go more into the details.

In the purest form of democracy every citizen has the right to vote for the things he wants to happen. The majority of this votes decides what will happen. This is the first and the biggest flaw of democracy. They assume the vote of every citizen has the same value. The vote of a rocket scientist always has the same value as the vote of a *****, criminal or drug addicted. The mentally ******ed outnumber real genius therefore you can never expect ingenius decisions. You can always expect the will of the average retarted as the outcome of a democratic election.

Often the voters have no idea about on what they are voting. Is the average gallentean citizen an expert for everything? Of course not. So why does he have a right to vote when it comes to such matters? You can always expect outcomes of an election based on clueless voters.

Each single vote is a little bit of political power. No matter if itís the vote of a Minmatar immigrant or the vote of a professor. Rich men can buy votes by promising wealth to those who give them votes. This opens the doors for corruption.

Of course the purest form of democracy is impossible to achieve. You can not make elections for every single decision that must be done. Therefore the voters vote for representative persons who then are allowed to vote in their name. This persons are called politicians and they are organized in parties. And now itís getting really bad.

This elections happen every 4 or 5 years as far as I know. I am not sure because their latest election seems to be a little bit deviant. This means the politicians of the winning party only have a few years to achieve their goals. In such a short timeframe you can not achieve anything, at least not anything of grandeur. The first 1-2 years the winning party is placing their members into key positions where most of them only work for one goal, moving the money from the citizens to the wallets of the politicians and their friends.

This short timeframe also makes politicians think they are not responsible for what they are doing. The impact of their decisions often comes many years later when another party or other politicians of their own party rule. This explains the lack of moral values. Without consequences of their very own decisions, without being responsible for their own decisions the politicians do whatever they want. The politicians of other parties do nothing about it because they know the next election will come and then it will be their time to misuse this privileges.

As I have said this is only the tip of the iceberg. For sure there is a lot more to say about the evil that is called democracy but why should I waste my time? All I need to know is democracy must perish. Unfortunatly democracy is spreading like pestilence. It even has reached the Amarr Empire in the latest succession.

So in a democracy even the most ******ed or criminal has a right to vote selfish policians who misuse their votes for their own benefit without having to face the consequences for their decisions and without a chance to build up anything of grandeur because of a very limited timeframe.

Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2006.09.26 22:50:00 - [44]
 

In Amarr the Holders make decisions. The Holders come from those families who have been proven moral authorities for centuries. Gaining this status is a procedure of many generations and not the achievement of a single individual in a single lifetime. This enforces moral behaviour over generations. Thatís one reason why we Amarr have developed such a great sense of ancestry. Our sense of ancestry is the reason why the amarrian society is so stable and why the amarrian way is superior to everything else. On a personal note thatís also one reason why I mistrust foreigners who claim to have reached enlightment. Itís not hard for some individuals to quote some parts of the scriptures and tell us Amarrians what we want to hear. Building up a name for your family the right way is hard. I give foreigners the chance to build up such a reputation. This can only start at the very bottom in amarrian society Ė in slavery.

Of course a Holder can not be an expert for everything but he will choose advisors who have this knowledge. Unlike gallentean politicians the amarrian Holder is responsible for his decisons. Not only the Holder will have to face the consequences of a failure but also his children and childrens children. Over thousends of years those amarrians with the purest lineage made it to the top. This is a constant process which is still going on and will never stop. Of course those who are at the top donít want to face such hard consequences and try to do their very best. Their ability to choose the best advisors makes some Holders more succesfull than others. Moral behaviour is always a must, though.

The Holder has all his lifetime to make his plans come true. If his own lifetime isnít sufficient then his children will continue. Only this way things of real grandeur can be accomplished. Over a long timeframe the amarrian way has shown to be perfect. Here and there you will have some Holders who fail but there are already others with many generations of faithfull ancestors waiting to replace the losers. Some Holders fail but the system itself is perfect. Responsibility over many generations is the key for our success.

Democracy encourages corruption, greed, selfish behaviour, disruption of moral values while the amarrian way enforces responsiblility and Ė hmm, so far I have avoided to talk about religion but in the end it all comes down to only one thing Ė we must please God. This is the answer to everything and this is the sense of life. I pitty those who fail to see it. Only in God we can thrive and grow.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2006.09.26 23:36:00 - [45]
 

Time does not make an individual moral or grant them the wisdom to rule with benevolence. The system of democracy is a series of checks and balances to ensure that a lone politician cannot turn the entire system upside down. Our leaders are held accountable for their actions, something you and many of your overzealous friends are quite apprehensive to acknowledge.

Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?

Strikeclone
Raata Fleet Command
Posted - 2006.09.26 23:45:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ithildin

The Federation has a lot to offer any individual. They offer freedom of choice, freedom of living and freedom of mind. It is a choice to let your own mind see the truth, or let it be clouded by the teachings or rhethorics of others, for that is all the substance of this god worship!



Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.

I can't say that I am a supporter of slavery as its a barbaric evil in any civilized nation or political system. However this does not lessen the Archbishops points.

The gallente nation needs to stop banging its gums about freedom and liberty for all, not until you return Homeworld, and pay reperations to the citizens of the State.

I could care less about the failures or the forutnes of the federation but everyday I hear some gallente demegogue harping on about how great the federation is, about how bloody perfect it is, is another step towards wanting to remove them from exsistance.


Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Coalition Of Empires
Posted - 2006.09.27 00:27:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.


Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.

Vanzer
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.09.27 00:35:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Originally by: Vanzer
People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.


What is this 'free will' you speak of? We all exist under the grace of God, and his will alone is free, the rest of us must be content with not having any illutions of free will. Clearly you work from presumptions that are clearly untrue, and to base these claims on nothing makes them even more meaningless.




You managed to completly miss the point I was making.

Whether or not you believe that man has "free will", you still cannot force someone to believe. What you are doing is putting a gun to a man's head, and asking him if God exists. What do you think his anwser will be? Most likely, his answer would be "yes", but does he really believe? Of course not! He just dosen't want to die!

What you are doing is the same thing. All the slaves you've "enlightened" don't really believe in your God, they simply learn to repeat the answer to the question.

Strikeclone
Raata Fleet Command
Posted - 2006.09.27 00:44:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.


Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.


"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"

As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.

Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Coalition Of Empires
Posted - 2006.09.27 01:19:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Strikeclone

"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"

As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.



Very close.
Quote:
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable Ė the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet."

This was in responce to a blockade around New Caldari. Very different than the 'expression of freedom' you claimed. Unless you were talking about the secret colonies, in which case you're just glossing over details of a complex situation that cast your side in a poor light.

Secondly yes, the current megacorp politics are irrevelent to a correct understanding of the beginnings of the Gallante Caldari civil war. However, this part isn't:
Quote:
"Then, the mega corporations split into two groups, one that wanted to pursue peace negotiations with the Gallenteans and another that wanted all out war. The matter was solved during the Morning of Reasoning, when during a morning meeting of the Chief Executive Panel the warmonger corporations forced the CEOs of the other corporations to perform the Tea Maker Ceremony. The CEOs had to drink poisoned tea; if the Maker looked favorably upon them they would be saved, otherwise their crimes would be confirmed by their deaths. They all died and the warmonger corporations (the current mega corporations) split the assets of the fallen corporations between them and escalated to total war."


Hm. Again, I don't think the Cadari State tried to petition the Gellante government for independence as gracefully as you claim.

Hitomi Ayame
Posted - 2006.09.27 08:22:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle

Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?


The assumption that Khanid, may God forever bless his name, succeeded from the Empire because he was "selfish" is incorrect.

Khanid, guided by God, saw that Amarr had become corrupt, straying from the Will of the Almighty, as show by the 'election' a false Emperor, one not truly ordained by God. For his protest against this falsehood and refusal to commit ritual suicide, Khanid's life was demanded of him.

However, God had greater plans that to make him a martyr, and instead guided Khanid to succeed from the Empire and establish the Holy Khanid Kingdom. Those who saw the truth of God and recognized the mockery that the Empire had become followed and took up arms defending their new King Khanid. With their finely honed skills, superior technology, fierce spirit, and most importantly, the grace and protection of Almighty God, they protected the Kingdom from the Golden Fleets and outside invaders alike. With the wisdom imparted by God, Khanid and Khanid II led the Kingdom to prosperity and wealth. And with the divine justice of God, we have maintained its purity and boldness.

Being a Gallente, it is easy to understand why you would assume selfishness to be the guiding force behind every action. It would seem that such is the case in your Federation. However, the actions of Holy Khanid had nothing to do with selfishness and everything to do with obeying the supreme Will of God.

Hitomi Ayame
Posted - 2006.09.27 08:22:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle

Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?


The assumption that Khanid, may God forever bless his name, succeeded from the Empire because he was "selfish" is incorrect.

Khanid, guided by God, saw that Amarr had become corrupt, straying from the Will of the Almighty, as show by the 'election' a false Emperor, one not truly ordained by God. For his protest against this falsehood and refusal to commit ritual suicide, Khanid's life was demanded of him.

However, God had greater plans that to make him a martyr, and instead guided Khanid to succeed from the Empire and establish the Holy Khanid Kingdom. Those who saw the truth of God and recognized the mockery that the Empire had become followed and took up arms defending their new King Khanid. With their finely honed skills, superior technology, fierce spirit, and most importantly, the grace and protection of Almighty God, they protected the Kingdom from the Golden Fleets and outside invaders alike. With the wisdom imparted by God, Khanid and Khanid II led the Kingdom to prosperity and wealth. And with the divine justice of God, we have maintained its purity and boldness.

Being a Gallente, it is easy to understand why you would assume selfishness to be the guiding force behind every action. It would seem that such is the case in your Federation. However, the actions of Holy Khanid had nothing to do with selfishness and everything to do with obeying the supreme Will of God.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2006.09.27 16:59:00 - [53]
 

I'm sure your Amarr cousins will be pleased to hear you have such a low opinion of them. As for assumptions of selfishness on the part of your King, one need only look as far as the exploitation of the lesser races by Khanid society to understand how low your people are capable of.

I'm sure the Supreme Will of God will justify whatever barbarities you decide to invent in the future.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.27 20:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone

"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"

As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.



Very close.
Quote:
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable Ė the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet."

This was in responce to a blockade around New Caldari. Very different than the 'expression of freedom' you claimed. Unless you were talking about the secret colonies, in which case you're just glossing over details of a complex situation that cast your side in a poor light.



A few undeclared colonies and an assault on a city justifies the attempted destuction of an entire planet?

How very egalitarian of you.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.09.27 20:13:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.


Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.


Oh?
Quote:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallenteans and the Caldari some three hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari Corporations had started their own inter-stellar surveying and colonization, separate from those conducted by the Gallenteans.


Quote:
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.


Freedom? Equality? No, the Federation wanted to rule the Caldari, and when the Caldari decided enough was enough, the Federation invaded us. Yes little man, the Gallente did abuse and exploit us. Their view of equality was to have the Caldari assimilate into the Gallente way of live, and for the Caldari to be ruled over by the Gallente. That is not equality, it is slavery.


Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
I'm sure the Supreme Will of God will justify whatever barbarities you decide to invent in the future.


They were going to have slaves and prisoners fight to the death, but the Federation managed to mainstream that first. ofcourse, the Amarr probably view such a thing as being more than simple entertainment.Wink

Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente
Lutin Group
Posted - 2006.09.27 20:26:00 - [56]
 

I have noticed one thing about religion, it seems to revolve around having an idea that you will not see changed and trying to make everyone 'see' the thing you do.

This is why I avoid religion..........

I also seem to see that the new religion of the Caldari is TheGallenteblewupourplanetism, wich as ever faithfull Caldari are spreding the word, guess by the looks of it that makes me as a Gallente the Caldari devil!

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2006.09.27 20:42:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
child murdering slaver devil-god....I just wanted a nice thread to put that most excellent turn of phrase after I heard it a few days ago.

It's just so *true*, too.


Glad to see that someone took my words to heart ;)

And it's true. I worship a benevolent, charitable God who watches over us and protects us, not one that murders children and enslaves for his own self-agrandizement. And that God, that child-murdering slaver devil-god is what almost every Amarr deep-down sees himself as.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.27 22:25:00 - [58]
 

Quote:
And it's true. I worship a benevolent, charitable God who watches over us and protects us, not one that murders children and enslaves for his own self-agrandizement. And that God, that child-murdering slaver devil-god is what almost every Amarr deep-down sees himself as.


Child kiler? Enslaver? Selfgrandizement?

You Gallente certainly have a warped view of the facts.

1. We give the gift of enlightenment to the downtrodden.
2. We bring hope as well as food and shelter to a primitive people.
3. We give out far more economically than we take in labor.

The scriptures clearly state the facts. The Amarr are the chosen of God.

"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
## The Scriptures. Book II.


Would that flock visited be the Gallente by chance? Corrupt, decadant and sinful? Dedicated to a life of "freedom" to indulge in sick perverse pleasures? A society driven by porxography, sxx and drugs?

I think perhaps it was the Gallente that God visited when he said all was not good.

Archbishop


Strikeclone
Raata Fleet Command
Posted - 2006.09.28 01:40:00 - [59]
 

Rodj Blake, Malthros Zenobia

Well said, I was going to try to frame a resonse but both of you have eloquently beat me to it

Well said.


Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2006.09.28 08:32:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

The scriptures clearly state the facts. The Amarr are the chosen of God.


Yes. I'm sure your scriptures claim you are the chosen of your god. Your god-granted victory over the Jovians proves this... oh wait, you lost VakíAtioth, and rather badly too.



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