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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Posted - 2006.09.19 20:25:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ryas Nia on 19/09/2006 20:25:28
Even now with wars all around us, people killing and being killed freedom continues. SRS is happy to announce another 900 Slaves have been freed today. Most will be working for SRS, while others will be leaving to work for the republic in their various capacities.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/infinitevalence/eve-online/Slaves.jpg

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.09.19 20:38:00 - [2]
 

May our guns never miss, and your shield
never collapse stormriders

in times when we cannot fulfill our duty, someone else
has to jump in as you did it.

i am looking forward to join back the freedom fight
once the bloodbath here has found an end.

*salutes*

Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2006.09.19 21:08:00 - [3]
 

Congratulations, Stormriders; you've managed to take away the hope of salvation from 900 individuals in return for what? Half of them are given menial jobs and a further ten percent are out on the streets? You disgust me.

Rhuu
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.09.19 21:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Aran Cole
Congratulations, Stormriders; you've managed to take away the hope of salvation from 900 individuals in return for what? Half of them are given menial jobs and a further ten percent are out on the streets? You disgust me.


A challenge for you, to see how skilled you are in fencing with rhetoric: please construct a cogent argument niether quoting scripture, nor making an emotional appeal that proves your concept of "salvation." Proving your case this way, independantly of a cultural backdrop, would probably gain countless converts to your philosophical methodology, if not also the enlightenment that could be provided by your religion.

As a tip, you should first define the concept of salvation. Ready? Set?

Go!

Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2006.09.19 23:30:00 - [5]
 

"Please prove this point without using facts to prove this point." Sorry, I don't have time to play your games. You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2006.09.19 23:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Aran Cole
You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.


A Minmatar spewing Amarrian religious drivel? The situation is far worse than I thought.

Rhuu
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.09.19 23:53:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aran Cole
"Please prove this point without using facts to prove this point." Sorry, I don't have time to play your games. You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.


So you are saying that emotional appeals are facts? Or is it that all the writings of every philosopher from antiquity to present are facts?

I can understand accept that the problem I set forth intimidates you. It is difficult for one to rationalize the existence of something so wholly intangible and unknowable. It is a problem you will have to tackle if you ever hope to bring salvation to my lesser race and your own.


I'd be scared of reason in your place, too. If you need a hug or some consolation, give me the word and I'm sure I can hire someone to take care of that for you. Just so long as you promise not to strangle her (or him) in an attempt to express an unexpressable existential woe due to the dominance of your deviant lifestyle.

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.19 23:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Aran Cole
You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.


A Minmatar spewing Amarrian religious drivel? The situation is far worse than I thought.


Why, I guess the Ammatar mandate must be a "new" occurence to you then. It is, by Amarr standards, but as far as I know Non-Amarrians view time in a different manner.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.09.20 00:15:00 - [9]
 

ah

million colour clashes.

human conflict, such a dynamic race.


good man said "better a small life in colour, than a bigger one in grey".

go forth, slaves from the past, and release the minds from the amarrian sheep.

freedom for the mind.

Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2006.09.20 03:15:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Rhuu
Originally by: Aran Cole
"Please prove this point without using facts to prove this point." Sorry, I don't have time to play your games. You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.


So you are saying that emotional appeals are facts? Or is it that all the writings of every philosopher from antiquity to present are facts?

I can understand accept that the problem I set forth intimidates you. It is difficult for one to rationalize the existence of something so wholly intangible and unknowable. It is a problem you will have to tackle if you ever hope to bring salvation to my lesser race and your own.


I'd be scared of reason in your place, too. If you need a hug or some consolation, give me the word and I'm sure I can hire someone to take care of that for you. Just so long as you promise not to strangle her (or him) in an attempt to express an unexpressable existential woe due to the dominance of your deviant lifestyle.

The Scriptures are fact. And before calling someone else's lifestyle "deviant" I'd take a close look at yourself: a pathetic mewling Gallente working for a known drug-dealing corporation. How utterly unsurprising.

Rhuu
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.09.20 04:09:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Rhuu on 20/09/2006 04:47:02


Originally by: Aran Cole
The Scriptures are fact.


Very well. If you want to cling to this method of argument, prove the fact. Place the simple axioms that should lead a person to believe in your most basic ideals on the table for scrutiny. Saying something along the lines of, "Vengeful angels came down from the heavens and smited the enemies of God and granted a degree of Grace to a race of men," doesn't prove anything.

If it does, then I'll go ahead and point out that graceful angels lithely came forth, smiling Radiantly and served me a truly Divine sandwich in the pilots' lounge at a station I stopped at on my way through Metropolis earlier today.

And so in writing this, I have just established myself as High Priest of The Lounge of Orfrold VII station. Should I expect you to not question for arguing the establishment of my own superior religion?

Originally by: Aran Cole
And before calling someone else's lifestyle "deviant" I'd take a close look at yourself: a pathetic mewling Gallente working for a known drug-dealing corporation. How utterly unsurprising.


A fundamentalist hardliner answering light tongue-in-cheek ridicule with a serious ad hominem attack. How deviant!

I could easily argue that in the widely fractured society of EVE every person is a minority and could thus be defined as deviant from the pan-societal aggregate norm.

I could further argue that deviance is not always a bad thing. Indeed, I have stated in years past that I have an admiration of the monolithic art and architecture of Amarr. Standing, as something the tiny size of a man, in front of a cathedral that could house several cities is thrilling--so much so that I can sometimes almost understand the fear and dread that drives and governs your society. I suppose it is easier as an outsider to question this attempt to evoke fear.

But there is your dose of heresy for the day. I would challenge you to not answer with venom, but I believe that with you I have come to an understanding--this is not your way.

Murukan
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.09.20 04:40:00 - [12]
 

It's so funny that someone can enjoy being a dog kicked around. Salvation eh? Only thing you have coming is the realization that you don't have a shred of dignity throughout your pathetic existence.

Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2006.09.20 05:09:00 - [13]
 

It is not my place to dispute the validity of the Scriptures and I won't bandy words with you any longer. Just know that you will bow before God willingly... or that you will be made to bow.

Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.09.20 07:01:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Forty Three on 20/09/2006 07:02:11
Originally by: Aran Cole
It is not my place to dispute the validity of the Scriptures and I won't bandy words with you any longer. Just know that you will bow before God willingly... or that you will be made to bow.


You disgust me, even more than the slaver pigs from the CVA and PIE. Your kind is what gives the Amarr encouragement to continue their genocide.
Know that we will not bow, we will not stop fighting. The Minmatar shall fly free and you will pay along with the Amarr for your willing collaboration to this atrocity

To SRS, good work brothers, may you fly free forever 0>

Rotag
Amarr
Posted - 2006.09.20 13:03:00 - [15]
 

Aran Cole, Thank you for defending Amarrians and our Scriptures. These heathens have lost there way, and through my lasers, they will once be brought before God to bow. However, with you being of Minmatarian descent, I could see a challange before you to convince fellow Amarrians of your faith.

But Aran is right. You freed these 900 slaves, and for what? Meaningless existence to serve you with the pretense they are free? Free to what I ask? Free to fail in life, to starve to death in the cold of their new found freedom? To die their horrible deaths without their Vitoc? You gave them 'freedom', and now death, but we gave them Vitoc, we fed them, we gave their life a meaning. They were not abused. They were clothed, fed, and besides for not being able to do as they pleased, they had a good life. Now they are condemed to death, further away from our God.

Rhuu
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.09.20 14:07:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Rhuu on 20/09/2006 14:10:19


Originally by: Rotag
Aran Cole, Thank you for defending Amarrians and our Scriptures. These heathens have lost there way, and through my lasers, they will once be brought before God to bow. However, with you being of Minmatarian descent, I could see a challange before you to convince fellow Amarrians of your faith.


He refused to defend them, actually, in deference to someone better qualified:
Originally by: Aran Cole
It is not my place to dispute the validity of the Scriptures and I won't bandy words with you any longer.

Are you better qualified, sir? If so, I'd appreciate my questions being answered.

Originally by: Rotag
But Aran is right. You freed these 900 slaves, and for what? Meaningless existence to serve you with the pretense they are free?

Though many choose to live behind facade and pretense, I wouldn't say that all of the freed slaves will continue to live as blind herd animals.

Originally by: Rotag
Free to what I ask? Free to fail in life, to starve to death in the cold of their new found freedom?

They are also free to succeed. Will it be a challenge? You bet. Life seeks a level challenge and struggle--a lazy man with a life of plenty will tend to become obese sickly. It would certainly be silly to think that all of the freed slaves will go on to become educated entrepreneurs, but they now all have the choice to go in that direction, rather than living a short, pre-determined existence torture and toil. You can call that "enlightenment" all you want, yet everyone seems to shrug off the burden of logical discourse leading to the undisputable conclusion that you can grant salvation through pain.

Originally by: Rotag
To die their horrible deaths without their Vitoc?

Oh, come now. This is ridiculously inflamitory. You know how Vitoc came to be in the systems of these slaves. This is a clear indication that you are not even trying to argue a point, but are instead simply trying to pick a fight. I'm pretty sure just showing up and saying, "Hello. I'm a pod pilot. I admire every part of Amarr society," would have been sufficient to get the Stormriders to want to fight you. So why even bother trying to dress it up as persuasion? Unless you are trying to convince yourself, I guess.

I won't bother breaking down the additional inflamitory material, myself, but shall instead skip straight to your last point:

Originally by: Rotag
Now they are condemed to death, further away from our God.

All life is condemned to death. You have just accomplished the difficult task of saying nothing at all. I congratulate you.


Drako Thardus
Gallente
Posted - 2006.09.20 14:08:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Rotag
Now they are condemed to death, further away from our God.

Your God, not their God. Frankly you should just shut up, all you Amarr merely did was use your pathetic religon as some form of justification to be lazy and make people do your work for you.

At least they'll die away from you lot, knowing that they haven't been subjugated to a religon that has no real meaning to them.

...whoa I just showed my Gallentean side a bit. This could be unhealthy for my independence.

Artthana
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.09.22 20:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ryas Nia
Edited by: Ryas Nia on 19/09/2006 20:25:28
Even now with wars all around us, people killing and being killed freedom continues. SRS is happy to announce another 900 Slaves have been freed today. Most will be working for SRS, while others will be leaving to work for the republic in their various capacities.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/infinitevalence/eve-online/Slaves.jpg


This brings great joy to my heart.


Artthana
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.09.22 20:10:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Artthana on 22/09/2006 20:13:34
Originally by: Aran Cole
"Please prove this point without using facts to prove this point." Sorry, I don't have time to play your games. You'll understand what Salvation is when you are standing face-to-face with God and are denied it.


And this brings great saddness to my heart.

My brother Aran Cole although you are twisted to the very core, you are still of Minmatar blood and I will not rest until you and others like you are free.




Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2006.09.22 21:10:00 - [20]
 

Yes, come save me! I'm being held in the Bleak Lands, please bring Battleships and be prepared to shoot at my captors, the Aegis Militia Laughing

Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Posted - 2006.09.23 07:06:00 - [21]
 

aww.. we were just there looking for some slaves to free and slavers to kill you should have said hi.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.09.23 22:44:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Aran Cole
Yes, come save me! I'm being held in the Bleak Lands, please bring Battleships and be prepared to shoot at my captors, the Aegis Militia Laughing


This Imperial lapdog is a disgrace to the Minmatar peoples and an outcast. He has brought shame on his family and dishonour to his clan. Ignore his weasel words and his empty mockery. I can almost feel the taint from several hundred light years away.




Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.09.24 07:08:00 - [23]
 

of 900 made free:

300 are made into Janitors, wow that is amazing they can be lowly wage slaves now.

better yet 150 are made into exotic dancers, selling their bodies. oh much better. what happens when they get old and can't make money selling their bodies? they get added to the homeless group?

270 were made marines, to be sent off to die somewhere horrible. well at least their lives be short.

and 90 of them were turned out onto the streets with no money and no home, being homeless. well done, more wretches to add to the Pator slums. just what the capital needs.

so you ruined the lives of most of them for 90 who will prosper with a education. good job!

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.09.24 07:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Aran Cole
Yes, come save me! I'm being held in the Bleak Lands, please bring Battleships and be prepared to shoot at my captors, the Aegis Militia Laughing


This Imperial lapdog is a disgrace to the Minmatar peoples and an outcast. He has brought shame on his family and dishonour to his clan. Ignore his weasel words and his empty mockery. I can almost feel the taint from several hundred light years away.






the Ushra’Khan were cast down by the Republic, the lawful Government of his tribe and yours and mine. They are at peace with the Empire. You are the outlaw cast down by your Tribe, you have no place to say he is a disgrace. You go against the tribe, you are the disgrace.

anyone who reads the available literature knows this. So stop being silly, the Ushra'khan have never been the voice of the Minmatar (that would be the Republic) or the bar to which loyalty was set (that would be the tribes, who support the Republic). Indeed you are off in Providence ignoring the Republic while the true loyal pod forces fight some really nasty enemies. Go join the Thukkers or something and quit pretending like you think of the Tribes at all.

Takanohana
Deep Space Explorers
Posted - 2006.09.24 07:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Go join the Thukkers or something and quit pretending like you think of the Tribes at all.



I'm offended, we Thukkers are a tribe too...Altho, admittedly the lack of communication from our elders concerning faction standing is disturbing to say the least. But on the other hand at least we *have* a leader Cool

Violet Ju'wien
Minmatar
Crimson Corsairs
Posted - 2006.09.24 12:34:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Violet Ju''wien on 24/09/2006 12:35:28
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
the Ushra’Khan were cast down by the Republic, the lawful Government of his tribe and yours and mine. They are at peace with the Empire. You are the outlaw cast down by your Tribe, you have no place to say he is a disgrace. You go against the tribe, you are the disgrace.

anyone who reads the available literature knows this. So stop being silly, the Ushra'khan have never been the voice of the Minmatar (that would be the Republic) or the bar to which loyalty was set (that would be the tribes, who support the Republic). Indeed you are off in Providence ignoring the Republic while the true loyal pod forces fight some really nasty enemies. Go join the Thukkers or something and quit pretending like you think of the Tribes at all.


Normally, I don't agree with my sister on a large majority of issues, however I find the comments of a self-confessed Amarr lapdog on this issue to be highly biassed. Meb is right here; yours is no place to be commenting on the noble efforts of the Ushra'Khan in defending the rights of our race, considering how you threw your rights away when you chose to bow to your masters.

These slaves didn't choose to bow before. Now they may choose their own lives.

Edit p.s: I also find your comments on us Thukker most disgusting.

Camperific
Minmatar
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2006.09.24 13:19:00 - [27]
 

We Thukkers,though the clans are scattered to the four corners,are still most certainly a tribe.And the one thing we have'nt lost is the joy that Ammarian blood running through our fingers can bring.

Velasquis Silver
Posted - 2006.09.24 19:41:00 - [28]
 

10% homeless?

I am not impressed by this. I consider that a failure on your part, Stormriders.

You would have done well to cover that stain up before bragging. Instead, you've totally wasted that propaganda opportunity.

Tsk, tsk.

Tyr Vaantau
Amarr
Ragnarok Engineering
Clear Skies Darkening
Posted - 2006.09.24 19:43:00 - [29]
 

(OOC: For the record, "Velasquis Silver" is ME, I accidently had the wrong character selected. Consider the above post to be in fact by myself. Apologies.)

Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Posted - 2006.09.25 06:44:00 - [30]
 

The only stain that needs be coverd up is the fact that i even had to free even one slave... SRS does its best to help all free peoples, not all can be helped or want help. Some times the slaves come to us so beaten, so dammaged that they are beyond even our kind touch. The stain is that large part of the universe under Amarr control.

SRS will do what we alwasy do, fight for freedom using any means nessesary, some will die, some will be freed, in the end we hope our means justify the ends... if not then history will judge use, and we will accept that judgement.


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