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Gween
Redemption Inc
Posted - 2003.10.23 17:16:00 - [31]
 

EVE is getting boring. There is no kinda storyline to follow - its still just a get a bigger ship competition with best equipment...
5 minutes later...
loose ur ship because to one of the uncountalbe bugs in EVE.

Sure, EVE is a project like all of the MMPG's out there and the support is pretty good (compared to other games like 'Mankind' ;] ), but what can i do?

Wait for the next skill to complete? (this skill system is nice in one way, but only a thing thats keeps my account alive on the other hand)

I thought EVE would be my Elite-Online and its complex and u can do what u want - but where is the point in playing when u got everything u want?

...let there be some improvements within the next three month, please.

*************

"Blessed, we are."

Cettie
Minmatar
Nova Corp
Posted - 2003.10.23 17:31:00 - [32]
 

I have to agree to what has been said. Mining has become a big part of eve because it is easy, I mine a lot but I also explore and do a lot of other things, and god knows, I have lost my fair share of ship enough to by me a BS if I hadn’t left safe systems 6 Thorax’s 1 Moa 1 Vexor a Hordor and many frigates and shuttle’s, this hasn’t stopped me from playing yet, (got A bit P***** and took a break for an hour, but back to the topic) it sounds like people are afraid to get out and look for thing and POLARIS need to make thing more clear and not give coded messages on things that are going on because not everyone gets them, and so everyone can do many other thing except fight, PvP, mission’s, and mine. And you the players have to decide do u want to sit behind that rock and cry or go look for something to do. And yes you will be fired upon you will be attacked by pirates and I cant say I agree with Pirates camping jump-in points but hey they found something new to do what have u found new to do.

I have said my case,

“Every man is a hero in his own story”

Zell
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.23 19:41:00 - [33]
 

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And yes you will be fired upon you will be attacked by pirates and I cant say I agree with Pirates camping jump-in points but hey they found something new to do what have u found new to do.




Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...

Zell

toaster
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2003.10.23 19:43:00 - [34]
 

Back to the original point of the post, I have to agree. I have been playing for what seems like 6 months but I'm not absolutely sure how longs it's been (have about 3M SP).

I came from playing mostly first person shooter games, so this is obviously a HUGE change. I like it and I like the idea of building ur character, but the ONLY future I see in this game is PvP. Without that its just like another job, and I already have one of those. The small amount of PvP I have had has been truly fun even when I lose.

My point of view is this, until some critical PvP bugs are fixed (most significant example... lagging a jump-in point or a jump gate with so many drones or whatever that ur dead before u have a chance to load the screen and lock ur target) there isn't much future for PvP in EVE. Some may not care, but to me that is the only reason to play.

I really hope CCP can fix some of these issues.

Vitari
Caldari
VIT
Posted - 2003.10.23 20:19:00 - [35]
 

Play it less and it gets more enjoyable Laughing
I just play maybe 10 hours a week and I am not bored at all. Been playing from day 1 of release.

Barnett
The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.23 22:33:00 - [36]
 

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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...

Zell




I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.

The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.

As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.

You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?

Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!

Zell
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.23 23:16:00 - [37]
 

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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...

Zell




I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.

The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.

As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.

You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?

Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!




Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.

Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.

Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.

Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.

Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.


Princess Podkill
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.24 03:51:00 - [38]
 

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Ive come to realise the these jump-in gate campers are just trying to compensate for there lack of playing skills/tactics as a whole. Everyone rises to thier level of incompedence, they have found what they(can) do best, so they do it. Its no suprise...

Zell




I think that you will find that it is you who are totally wrong.

The tactics employed by jump in campers are the best in the game. They sit in one place where traffic is guaranteed and the risk to themselves is minimal. They then blow the person who jumps in to pieces before he can respond.

As for everyone rising to their level of incompetance....er this bit of your post makes no sense whatsoever so I can't really answer it.

You say that these people have found what they (can) do best however is that what life is not about?

Either that or there is quiet simply nothing of interest left for them to do!




Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.

Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.

Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.

Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.

Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.




Zell, you obviously have never seen a jump-in camp before, because if you had, you'd know that your Apoc or whatever comes in would be as toast as a shuttle or any other ship for that matter. It is called "jamming".... hehe

DrStrangelove
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2003.10.24 07:51:00 - [39]
 

Maybe I’m easily entertained but I find this game to be an absolute blast. I think Zarquon was on to something about role-playing. For me this is the first real role-playing game that I have really gotten into. I mostly stick to first person shooters. Even though I am a “twitch” player, I have found a lot of content in this game. No I haven’t done everything. I only did about 5 agent missions total, have not used a miner gun in over 2 months, and I am having a lot of fun starting wars with large corporations. Content is what you make of it. If you are bored then join a corp that needs pilots for their “war” and have fun. Use your Imagination.

Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2003.10.24 08:15:00 - [40]
 

One saying comes to mind here: "If you're bored then you're boring."

If Eve has gotten boring for you, then go find something else to play.

For me, I see lots and lots of opportunity in this game without resorting to ***** tactics (jump in point camping et al.)

One example that I'm seriously considering at some point in time: anti-slaver. I'm Minmatar - my blood is a slave's blood and I shall do everything in my power to avenge said blood while attempting to free slaves from their captors. Cargo scanner with a passive targetter, anyone? Yeah, it has it's risks but that's part of the fun.

In short - this game is what you make of it, just like most others. Just because someone doesn't hand you a cookie doesn't mean you can't make a batch, if you have the tools.

Repins ad
Posted - 2003.10.24 10:32:00 - [41]
 

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One saying comes to mind here: "If you're bored then you're boring."

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In short - this game is what you make of it, just like most others. Just because someone doesn't hand you a cookie doesn't mean you can't make a batch, if you have the tools.


I tend to agree.

Although I am not a pirate & havent been playing for that long, there is still so much to do for the more experienced.

You need to set yourelf a goal.

How many have reached the No1 spot in the most wanted list? I know a pirate that is striving for this atm.

I have also heard of a system near 9-8GBA that is a total no go area. Now is'nt that a challenge to a pirate with a BS Question

SKiNNiEH
Posted - 2003.10.24 12:06:00 - [42]
 

The one that started this thread is 100% accurate on all points. I'm semi-bored when it comes to chaining npc's... but i'm thinking of switching to pvp real soon anyways. If that will get bored aswell, then i dont know what to do anymore :)

Pete Starblade
Posted - 2003.10.24 12:20:00 - [43]
 

Coolafter reading all your post's i sat back and thought for a while
as for the game being static at the moment i totally agree more events/new ideas need implementing
camping warp in points is basicly mining for pirates so dont call miners for sitting by a roid
if you have nothing to do organise something
get a few pirate corps together and invade empire space. take over a system and pod everything
that's the joy of this game you can do whatever you want

Barnett
The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.24 12:49:00 - [44]
 

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Casting some more pearls before swine, I guess but I couldn't dissagree more. Why? Because if this was the epitomie of "tactics", then every gate in the Eve universe would be camped. There would be no outland battles. Just mind numbing hand sitting while you wait for your ducks to appear. In forgone days, tactics implied you are arrayed for battle, having given consideration to terrain, strength of the enemies forces, and disposition, to name but a few.

Ive yet to see these "tactitions" stick around to face anything greater then a shuttle. Its a self fullfilling prophecy, they whine and moan and cry about not having anything to do, so they do nothing until someone finally gives them a challenge, and they run from it. Everyone has seen it happen, the boards are full of he said she said, until the horse is beaten to death. Then its back to the gate the next nite for the yawn fest, expending ordainace on a few hapless newbs while convincing themselves its superior tactics.

Which brings me to the incompendence part. They are so short-sighted as to belive they are creating the "content" they crave, When in fact they drive away any chance of exciting encounters. You can't tell me that watching a ship appear, unguided, defenseless, totally at there mercy, to be gleefully blasted and debries scooped up, is "content". If this is content to you, go back to duke nukeum, and play with the cheats enabled.

Maybe theres nothing left for them to do, because they lack the grey matter to figure out how to something.

Unwilling, Unable, its the same thing.





Ok, it seems pretty obvious that you are someone who has no or little experience in P V P combat.

Let me tell you one thing - it is VERY difficult to engage in worthwhile, balanced combat in this game.

This is because worthwhile combat requires 2 CONSENTING sides. As one side is often far superiour to the other this leads to the less powerful side retreating and combat will not take place. You can have warp jammers / webbers all you want but alot of people will just run as soon as they see a sizeable fleet warp in.

It is very difficult (but not impossible) to engage anyone at a station or stargate unless you are at war with them. This is because the carebears whined and as a result sentry guns got beefed up.

Sentry guns operate regardless of what security status of empire space you are in however should anyone be foolish enough to try and initiate combat in 0.5 or above 6 Concord ships will spawn in about 3 seconds and they will be in their pod shortly after this (believe me, i've tried).

So...basically as a result of all the above pirates have started camping jump ins as it is a guaranteed way to meet people regardless of if a player wishes to participate in P V P or not.

This is not due to lack of any imagination or grey matter. This is due to the mechanics of the game. There would not be much sense in camping a planet or moon now would there?(unless it was a jump in point)

Your paragrpah about jump in campers running the second anything bigger than a shuttle warps in clearly demonstrates your lack of any real subject knowledge. Should you wish to test your theory please bring your <insert Battleship name here> loaded with all your uber fittings / mods to Obe, Jan or any other system that is regularly camped. Make sure that your clone covers all your skill points too!

Your last sentence clearly sums up the lack of any real sense in your posts as unwilling and unable ARE NOT the same thing.

Barnett
The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.24 12:52:00 - [45]
 

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if you have nothing to do organise something
get a few pirate corps together and invade empire space. take over a system and pod everything
that's the joy of this game you can do whatever you want



I would love to but since they beefed up Concord trying to attack people in Empire space basically amounts to suicide on the part of the attacker.


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