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The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.22 15:29:00 - [1]

Well I have now reached the point where I have been playing Eve for nearly six months. I have my BS and enough ISK to consider my in game character comfortable.

Sadly it seems as though there is little left for me to do apart from roam around low sec Empire space or 0.0 looking of miners / N.P.C. hunters to pod or extort. This in itself can be a difficult practice and you often spend hours warping round looking for targets only for them to warp as soon as they see you (which is, in reality, the sensible option!).

So I now ask myself where I go from here - if you are reading this post in a positive and warm mood about Eve herein lies a warning; it is not my most positive contribution to this forum ever although I believe it contains key issues that CCP has to address if the game is to truly prosper.

Since I joined there has been new little new content although despite this some good additions have been made to the game.

Regardless of the above we are still yet to see anything come of the joint Caldari / Gallante research project and the whole Jovian thing has died a death. As for the way that Miner 2's were introduced into the game - well it was completely farcical and someone once described it as "finding the cure for AIDS and giving it to Microsoft".

Player / Polaris run events have been few and far between. When they have emerged they have been poorly organised often leading to hundreds of ships inhabiting one area thus causing incredible lag and other server related issues. In short these have bordered on a waste of time and the Amarr vigil thing didn't offer anything that couldn't be read on this forum twenty minutes after it happened.

Then there is the standing joke that is CCP customer service. Bugs that were present in beta / early release are still there and many long promised features are yet to materialise. Large amounts of people don't bother filling out bug report forms because they know that little will be done to address the issues and there has been some suggestion (although not confirmed) that certain people at CCP have been deleting these in an attempt to create the impression that all is going well to their bosses.

What we need from CCP is communication. We have said it countless times before. The biggest disappointment of Eve so far has been CCP signal failure to reflect player optimism and re-package it into a vision that all users can relate to. CCP talk of expansion packs and add-one but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think that we will ever see such a thing as a first person option in the future despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?

Whilst on the subject of CSM we are often promised new content / fixes "some time soon" but as has been shown in another thread CCP definition of "some time soon" can be bought into question.

In truth few of us players know where the game is going. Eve is decidedly light on any true content and it is a shame that regardless of how advanced your character is the best way to generate ISK is to sit in front of an asteroid for hours on end dragging ore from cargo hold to container.

The market system is still a joke with most trade routes being filled within two hours of downtime. This is despite calls for NPC buy orders to be "randomised" so that people who cannot play straight after downtime have an equal chance of profitable trading.

CCP once spoke of making trade goods an item required for ship production thus creating player generated demand but personally I think it will be a long time before this ever happens (if ever).

Baby 'roid issue? Don't even get me started .

As for player numbers these seem to have levelled out after a slow decline since early summer. Many people have quit the game after feeling that their character was "saturated" and that they had nothing more to achieve. Apparently Eve is about to be launched in Asia and whilst this can only be good any new players will still eventually find fault with many of the issues that we are all experiencing.

Whatever the plan we need CCP to explain it us, otherwise the vacuum in communication is inevitably filled with hearsay and assumption, and the only way to hear the truth is to try and make head or tail of some CSM chat log. Its easier making sense of the Hutton Inquiry.

I make no apologies for the feelings expressed above but I am sorry if they cast a dark mood. Some of you might be fully in tune with me many more may not. I just hope my concerns over the future of the game are unfounded and, if not, that they are addressed and put right before we all look to go and play something else as many already have done.

Fire engine on standby for flaming.

Posted - 2003.10.22 15:30:00 - [2]

meeep meeep

Easy Target
Brutor Tribe.
Posted - 2003.10.22 15:58:00 - [3]

okays.... how did u make so much money in 6 months?? i`ve been playing for 6 months and i cant even afford criusers!!!
never mind hey...
just thought i would add that in. :-)


Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.22 16:08:00 - [4]

Maybe if the time spent by CCP on pirate related "activities" ie. gate campn, buffing concord, fixs to CTD exploits, they would have a little more on the table now, eh?

"We reap what we sew.."

Tenacha Khan
Posted - 2003.10.22 17:00:00 - [5]

Barnett, i think you have a very valid point or many points, there is not enough for pirates to do, tryin to get a pirate agent is bloody god damm difficult, i have not heard of any events over the last month...this Amarr championship does not appeal to me at all!! And nobody can jump in and blast the contestants cause they have placed it in a closed off system.
What id like to see in the game is some pirate invasions into high security and concord incursions into low security. The game has become very static.....and i feel that some major events need to be placed continuosley like in real life!

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 - [6]

Rolling EyesWell said Barnett. Pretty much that's what going on at least at this moment. I have a feeling that the dev team has too few members to accomplish the task of implementing new features into the game. Its obvious to see that, i think. Like Barnett has pointed out, when u look at the game as a whole, u would feel a bit disappointed, no? If not i guess its a matter of how u play the game. Some ppl are satisfied with the way the game is going on now, some others aren't. For instance, corp A has about 50+ members (there are some alts of course), most of them do nothing but mine Rolling Eyes, why is that? "Because if we keep mining like this the NEXT person would get in a battleship faster" Rolling Eyes. Oh well . . . u get the picture.. Obviously, they dont feel the events appealing .. at all. Some of them dont really know how to do PvP. Yes they are new players. So to them all that Barnett said is no big deal. But for us, those who have been playing for months, we need something more than that!! It seems that the trend now is PvP, which is what keeps experienced players from quitting.. But i fear if CCP doesn't take a serious approach to what we, players, ask then at one point the game is dead..
Just my 2isk Very Happy

Natural born tards
Posted - 2003.10.22 18:04:00 - [7]

yes more events sounds good

Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2003.10.22 18:43:00 - [8]

Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 22/10/2003 18:44:24
meeep meeep

always one aint there.

The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.22 18:54:00 - [9]

It's nice to see the majority of people agreeing with me - I guess what the people who disagree with me fail to realise is that we have REACHED A LEVEL where we feel we can progress no more.

Posted - 2003.10.22 20:02:00 - [10]

The problem with eve is that the GMs have a sense of what to do for things happening. Still the most important thing for events is not one big one. But many many many small events that happen all over. So people can be involved in something and not even intend to be involved. Theres a few people that have dedicated them selves to making events so I tip my hat to them. Still thats what eve needs is multiple events.

Dau Imperius
Posted - 2003.10.22 20:25:00 - [11]

Notice how only pirates responded to this? That tells you right there, that you indeed, 'reap what you sow'.

Posted - 2003.10.22 20:44:00 - [12]

i'm starting to feel the same as my corpm8 barnett - but i've started to do the things that i neglected in the begining - like agent missions and npc killing (not just npc pirates). barnett - i suggest you find something that you haven't seen before and try it out :)

Fetty Chico
Posted - 2003.10.22 21:09:00 - [13]

Large amounts of people don't bother filling out bug report forms because they know that little will be done to address the issues and there has been some suggestion (although not confirmed) that certain people at CCP have been deleting these in an attempt to create the impression that all is going well to their bosses.

if you dont send them in, they cant be deleted
and they cant be fixed either

Antonio Fratianni Corp
Posted - 2003.10.22 22:55:00 - [14]

Great, bored pirates. I suggest you leave the game then. All of you;)

Antonio Fratianni Corp
Posted - 2003.10.22 23:10:00 - [15]

Edited by: Fausto on 22/10/2003 23:11:32
Burn baby burn:)

The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.22 23:22:00 - [16]

Notice how only pirates responded to this? That tells you right there, that you indeed, 'reap what you sow'.

Er I also posted the same thoughts in General discussion here and on Eve-I too!

I think you will find that most respondees (is that a word?) fully agree with me.

Believe it or not I was once part of a corp that did nothing but mine / produce / npc hunt / agent missions. I got bored very quickly and thats what prompted me to go P V P.

I don't understand how we have reaped what we sow? I also have an alt in a non pirate corp (could it even be Rona?) and life there is even more mundane.

All that is keeping this game alive for me is the players that I have met through it.

The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.22 23:27:00 - [17]

barnett - i suggest you find something that you haven't seen before and try it out :)

Er done agent bored after about 20. Done convoy raiding (in 0.0 too) and got fed up of rubbish loot. Done 50K NPC hunting and found it boring and repetative with little challenge. Done P V P which is one of the few things that I actually still enjoy. Done mining <shudder>. I have also traded and scammed at various points along the way.

In an act of complete boredom I tried using a BB with 2 MWD to get into 1.0 yesterday but failed dismally.

Er is there anything I have not done?

Princess Podkill
Posted - 2003.10.23 03:17:00 - [18]

Edited by: Caldari Princess on 23/10/2003 03:20:10
Edited by: Caldari Princess on 23/10/2003 03:19:07
Yes Barnett jamming Concord and podding in 1.0 is still on the table. By god, when this divine feat has been accomplished, and I see 3,257 carebears dead in Yulai in the last 24 hours, I will retire from Eve because it will be the ultimate victory!

Slinky Redfoot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2003.10.23 04:19:00 - [19]

Edited by: Slinky Redfoot on 23/10/2003 04:21:06
Great post Barnett, couldn't have said it better myself.The main problem is still communication.

Speaking of communication. . .
Isn't it great how Fausto's posts are just being boycotted now? Wink

Profession: Mindpodder

Don't give up the dayjob.

Heretic Army
Posted - 2003.10.23 06:39:00 - [20]

if youve done NPC farming in a BS and its boring drop to a cruiser for a day, get them on a spawn and still try and clear the cans ahh no mwd of course that should liven it up. And extortion etc find a roid field deep in aliance territory and make them pay for it. theres endless things you can do.

death vendetta contracts? im sure theres many that carry vendettas and would like a merc to disrupt things for there enemy. you just have to broaden your horizons

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.23 06:56:00 - [21]

This is why I'm not rushing. I'm 2 months in at 1,3m SP and still in a frigate (although I have ISK for a cruiser, but no skills).
I've not trained any Missiles yet, though I should to use those two other high slots on my Merlin. I'm getting there, for sure, but I'm in no hurry. It's a bit hectic clearing those 8-10k NPC spawns with only two 150 rails, but it keeps me on my toes.
Easy does it and I like to keep my skills way ahead of my ships ...

Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2003.10.23 07:06:00 - [22]

Yeah... sounds like your right.. 1 thing I havent seen yet is "assasins". Not just normal Bounty Hunters.. but a Bounty Hunter that gets a "mission" from a player to kill that person that dont show up as wanted in the mission window. Or agent missions where the NPC agent gives a mission where you have to kill a Player/player Pirates that have a negative standing to that corp. surely the reward have to be huge as you can spend hours/days looking for that person but I think that pirates could have some fun whit it. ofcourse it shall not be a "new player" that just got into the game 6 days ago and just killed his first convoy from that faction. or else make it alittle easyier to get a pirate agent that gives out missions to kill player Bounty Hunters or maybe a concord admiral or something.. and yes.. there is still alot of things that is missing from what CCP have promissed.. like kidnapping (things its spelled right) a caldari ambasedor (got it from the back side of the eve-online cd cover. and think I can remember something about astoroids crasing into planets. Make that an event.. Im sure alot of ppls will show up and maybe alot of pirates will show up so we can have some good action.

Posted - 2003.10.23 09:38:00 - [23]

Well to tell the truth I think what this game needs alot of is Role Playing. Unfortunatly thats praticly imposible in games like these. Since a majority of the players can not Role Play.

Zarquon Beeblebrox
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.23 11:18:00 - [24]

Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:24:05
Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:23:52
Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 23/10/2003 11:21:09
Well to tell the truth I think what this game needs alot of is Role Playing. Unfortunatly thats praticly imposible in games like these. Since a majority of the players can not Role Play.

I could not agree any more. With knowledge that my IRL friends playing EVE reads this i will tell you how this "arcade" gamers flames every aspect of roleplay on EVE. Each storry (good one in my opinion) they read is flamed. They cant even start to comprehend how any of you(us) can "beleve" that we actualy are this chars we are roleplaying. They mine, and nothing but mine. several BS and plenty og ISK. lvl 4 on each skill and .. and ..and ... still mining really is the main thing for them, Its sad, but hey each one have the right to play the way he/she likes. Only they dont think so, they hate pirates (if im not in a pirate corp soon ill quite EVE my self. I have 250K skill points and bored of mining all ready) they really think pirates should be banned, killed or worce.

yes my spelling sucks, and i wish every one good luck if you intend to point it out each time.

EDITH: wow my avatar is ready, one week to get it. Well done.

Zacheria Malfor
The Scope
Posted - 2003.10.23 11:24:00 - [25]

Some thing which was said earlier about only pirates replying to this topic, does it really matter if it is only pirates who respond? (even tho i am not).

I agree that there is simply not enough for the players whohave progressed to the later stages of the game, however, i am not speaking from experience meerly from what i've heard and read.

I think that it would be a good idea for some major events to occur often as it would provide something for players to do. I myself believe that there is simply a lack of events to keep players occupied.

I mainly mine at the moment as there is very little to do to gain money which is suitable for me to do at the moment.

Anyway those are my thoughts. Feel free to criticise.

Chai N'Dorr
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Posted - 2003.10.23 11:54:00 - [26]

I like Eve, I really do. And I haven't been bored playing.

BUT there is a huge flaw in CCP's communications system. Last post in the Eve Information Central is from over one month old!

As a player I like to stay informed about what goes on with this game. A weekly update of what's been worked on, or what's coming would be greatly appreciated.

But I only appreciate it when I do not read "soon(tm)" as personally I get a bit sick of hearing it and not seeing anything appear.

To me it comes across like they are working on a lot of 'cool new things', but they never finish it before they start on a 'cool new thing'.

Promises, promises... and I don't believe any of them anymore.

Karl Hollister
Posted - 2003.10.23 14:09:00 - [27]

Edited by: Karl Hollister on 23/10/2003 14:11:04
U talk about future for Eve ???? Rolling Eyes

didn't u see there is no real futur in have this game only gt 5000 or maybe 6000 accounts Crying or Very sad

i think this game will never grow more than it is today!

after 6 month i can see eve is going to fall just like ashroncall 2 did it . Confused

the sad story for the mmorpg's is that there is very few spots for this type of game and when u dont spend money in publicity you are dead Neutral

cya eve , nice try , same player play again

The Black Rabbits
Posted - 2003.10.23 14:12:00 - [28]

I don't know about your figure of 5 - 6K accounts.

Someone once told me that an approx. formula for finding out the number of subscribers is to take the average amount of people online at peak (normally about 5 K) and times it by 4.

Having said that alot of people seem to have more than one account so personally I think there are probably between 15 - 20K individuals playing this game.

Kaylon Syi
Posted - 2003.10.23 14:53:00 - [29]

I believe there are more like 25 - 30k player accounts. It was on Eve-i last week in an article linking to an atricle.

To the original poster... Im sorry but you like sound to me like a few of my 3 - 4 mil skill pals. Total Lack of Role Playing. Furthermore, total lack of taking on current boring challenges in a lesser ship.

I only have 2.5mil skill points with this account and 1.5 on another one. In a few months I will be using my talents for even more roleplaying than I do now. If your content with your PvP atm then I suggest you get INTO the act of a Pirate or Contract Killer... they are far and few in between. Hey here is a thought... why don't you help all those socalled "Carebears" out and head to Sarum Prime and Pod those spawn in points. Or go to Hed-GP and blast CA or CFS folks for kicks and giggles. Or maybe grab a frigate and some torpedos and go hunt 50k rats.

I admit I want CCP to get things into place but If your willing to quit now while the treashold is being crossed... you need to go to a RL movie with your significant other or go on some dates. Come back in a week ... if still nothing take some more time off. If you find yourself missing your inGame M8s.... Then you might have discovered the true motif behind ANY mmorpg ( social simulation ) and that should Above all the neat little things... should keep you comming back for more..... Less you stray away to a new MMORPG and Find the SAME thing you found in eve. If you do... ASK YOUR SELF>>> Is it ME that is lacking content... or the game Shocked

Zarquon Beeblebrox
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.10.23 15:21:00 - [30]

Kaylon Syi: im not sure if you are replying to me, but the matter of roleplay have nothing to do with content in game. On a roleplay enviromen the players create the content them self. But to do this we need diferent angles and intrest expressed from our chars. If EVE is making this hard by restricting one side of the players the game fast loose a reason to interact with other players.

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