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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.09.14 00:37:00 - [1]
 

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Well I know we don't know where, but its the most distance galaxy found so far.

Soren Eisarson
Posted - 2006.09.14 00:51:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Soren Eisarson on 14/09/2006 00:51:53
EVE IS A GAME
interesting on how they found it though.

evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.09.14 01:09:00 - [3]
 

I know its a game, its pointless speculation for the FUN of it.

Niivvy
Caldari
Posted - 2006.09.14 03:05:00 - [4]
 

Sadi know eve is a game but if u read the background story eve is in our galaxy.

gallaxys are billions os stars the eve cluster is 5000. so im afraid no.Sad

Retromash
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.09.14 03:12:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Niivvy
Sadi know eve is a game but if u read the background story eve is in our galaxy.

gallaxys are billions os stars the eve cluster is 5000. so im afraid no.Sad



Odd, I read that this is a completely different galaxy.

And as for a galaxy having billions of stars, and Eve only having 5000, well, I'm sure we have billions. We only have access to 5000 because that's all we've gate access for. Lots of room for expansion, and new systems, such as the ones that recently popped up, but lets not send the devs down that road just yet.


Imechal Ravpeim
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2006.09.14 03:14:00 - [6]
 

If you read the stories you'd also know that only dual star-systems can have jump gates... So that probably greatly limits the possiblity of traveling to a billion stars.

Niivvy
Caldari
Posted - 2006.09.14 03:42:00 - [7]
 

actualy as much as 50% of stars are binary so possably not.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.09.14 04:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Niivvy
Sadi know eve is a game but if u read the background story eve is in our galaxy.

gallaxys are billions os stars the eve cluster is 5000. so im afraid no.Sad


Quote:
Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This system could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, another galaxy at the other side of the universe, another dimension, or parallel universe.
AFAIK it's generally accepted that it is another galaxy, this does say it could be our galaxy, but by saying so it also defines our galaxy as an 'unknown' one Neutral

Death Kill
Caldari
SolaR KillerS
UN1CUM
Posted - 2006.09.14 05:41:00 - [9]
 

Cool thing about distant stars is that they could be long gone/destroyed by death stars but since it takes light thousands of year to reach us we wouldnt know.


Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.09.14 06:09:00 - [10]
 

EVE Universe was created with a seedable random galaxy generator...but if you really want to you can imagine that's the EVE Universe.

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.14 06:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Quote:
Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This system could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, another galaxy at the other side of the universe, another dimension, or parallel universe.
AFAIK it's generally accepted that it is another galaxy, this does say it could be our galaxy, but by saying so it also defines our galaxy as an 'unknown' one Neutral


Depends how you read it. I take "unknown" to mean that there's no way to tell whether it's our galaxy, the galaxy next door, or one halfway across the visible Universe.

Bear in mind that anything on the opposite side of the galactic centre is completely invisible from Earth, so it's quite possible we're still inside the Milky Way after all.

Tachy
Posted - 2006.09.14 06:48:00 - [12]
 

The EVE system cluster is built using a crystal growing algorithm, with the number 42 as seeded start for the random generator.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.09.14 07:52:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Quote:
Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This system could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, another galaxy at the other side of the universe, another dimension, or parallel universe.
AFAIK it's generally accepted that it is another galaxy, this does say it could be our galaxy, but by saying so it also defines our galaxy as an 'unknown' one Neutral


Depends how you read it. <stuff>
Indeed it does, makes much more sense your way Very Happy

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2006.09.14 08:50:00 - [14]
 

or Here ?

Skawl
Red Federation
Posted - 2006.09.14 09:30:00 - [15]
 

We should ask monkey to look for us. He can go anywhere.

Za Po
Caldari
Posted - 2006.09.14 10:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Niivvy
actualy as much as 50% of stars are binary so possably not.
But only very, very few binaries have resources of interest and are therefore worthy of building a jump gate to.

Most binary systems tend to be hostile to the formation of habitable planets. There's no reliable model of the chances of an Earthlike planet forming in a given system, but I wouldn't be surprised if the chances of that happening in a binary system were in the one-in-a-million range.

The presence of precious minerals (that is, anything from tritanium upwards, and the useful varieties of ice) may be very rare as well, for what we know. Since none of the Eve basic minerals are known in our galaxy, we might as well assume that only one system in a million has any of them; everywhere else, the asteroids are made of basically rock just like the asteroids we know.

Indra Sebuchiore
Posted - 2006.09.14 10:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Niivvy
Sadi know eve is a game but if u read the background story eve is in our galaxy.

gallaxys are billions os stars the eve cluster is 5000. so im afraid no.Sad


You're way out here I'm afraid. EVE is definitely another galaxy, the prime fiction states this explicitly.

As for the 5000 star systems thing, that doesn't show the entire galaxy - only the parts of the galaxy that have jumpgates. There's billions of other star systems in EVE that don't show on the map.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.09.14 10:23:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Indra Sebuchiore
You're way out here I'm afraid. EVE is definitely another galaxy, the prime fiction states this explicitly.
Where? This is what I thought, but the thing I found said it may be in our galaxy.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.09.14 11:06:00 - [19]
 

Yup. EVE's 5000 systems are the 5000 systems where STARGATES have been built. Quite possibly, there are several thousands of starsystems where smuggler gates exist, strongholds of rogue drones, etc. Just these systems haven't interested the Empires enough to expand their stargate networks there.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2006.09.14 11:17:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ithildin
Yup. EVE's 5000 systems are the 5000 systems where STARGATES have been built. Quite possibly, there are several thousands of starsystems where smuggler gates exist, strongholds of rogue drones, etc. Just these systems haven't interested the Empires enough to expand their stargate networks there.


Also its highly likely that theres a large number of systems that were part of the former human colonies that still remain unexplorered to the descendants of eve.

Sayamana
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.09.14 11:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tachy
The EVE system cluster is built using a crystal growing algorithm, with the number 42 as seeded start for the random generator.


As long 42 was used, we have the answer !

Andvari Khessari
Posted - 2006.09.14 12:54:00 - [22]
 

I sort of skimmed the thread from the first few posts, so bear with me. All of you do know that not all galaxies are similar to our own right? There are some that aren't put into a rotational state due to a super-massive blackhole in the galactic core. There are in fact many kinds of galaxies, considering the game makes little mention of blackholes in this galaxy I would assume this galaxy is fairly young by astronomical standards and probably a 'Scattered' type of galaxy, which is essentially a collection of stars (with their planetoids).. Of course I dunno if the game simply lacks millions more systems due to the devs not putting it out or otherwise.

evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.09.14 14:15:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Andvari Khessari
I sort of skimmed the thread from the first few posts, so bear with me. All of you do know that not all galaxies are similar to our own right? There are some that aren't put into a rotational state due to a super-massive blackhole in the galactic core. There are in fact many kinds of galaxies, considering the game makes little mention of blackholes in this galaxy I would assume this galaxy is fairly young by astronomical standards and probably a 'Scattered' type of galaxy, which is essentially a collection of stars (with their planetoids).. Of course I dunno if the game simply lacks millions more systems due to the devs not putting it out or otherwise.


Interesting, I was thinking eve was a sprial galaxy with the galatic core (blackhole) which has already collasped. Thus the creation of the wormhole so to speak. And the star systems were pulled in during the final collaspes

Andvari Khessari
Posted - 2006.09.14 15:39:00 - [24]
 

Its very possible the galactic map is just wholey incomplete. Really if this is a spiral galaxy than perhaps the entire game occurs within a quadrant of the galaxy and doesn't represent the whole. That would make sense, but I wouldn't bank on black holes and wormholes. I would think a wormhole is more likely to occur near a dark halo or a dense concentration of dark matter, which a black hole is not. It is 'black' by only because matter cannot reach escape velocity of the event horizon. Of which in actuality black holes do tend to have radiation escape near the poles where the gravitation field is weakest (Invisible to the standard spectrum of visible light, moving at speeds close to light (c)).

Of course this is all a fictional universe, and my astrophysics background really means jack here.. Only in reality hehe.

Cykles
Posted - 2006.09.14 15:46:00 - [25]
 

Doesn't the intro movie, state the worm-hole led them to a new, galaxy ?

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2006.09.14 16:11:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Andvari Khessari
Its very possible the galactic map is just wholey incomplete. Really if this is a spiral galaxy than perhaps the entire game occurs within a quadrant of the galaxy and doesn't represent the whole.


That's the idea I've been working with. If you look at jump drive calculations, you'll notice that the entire Eve universe is only around 100 light years across (might be a bit more, but not by much considering galactic scales). That's far too small to be the entire galaxy. This makes sense, as according to the back story, constructing a gate in a new system means sending out a sub-light construction ship to the new system with the crew in stasis. Since the current empires are only a few hundred years old, they can't have gotten too far from their home systems using this method.

From a gameplay perspective, it also means that CCP has the option to create new regions in the future without violating the backstory.

Quote:
That would make sense, but I wouldn't bank on black holes and wormholes. I would think a wormhole is more likely to occur near a dark halo or a dense concentration of dark matter, which a black hole is not.


There are some black holes in Eve. If you look on the galactic map, you'll see a few areas that are free of any stars or jump gate paths. They'll have a label which, if you right click on it and bring up its info, will often mention this being a region with a black hole. Black holes apparently wreck havac with jump gates.

Cykles
Posted - 2006.09.14 21:47:00 - [27]
 

Forgive this nooby question.. But is there anyway , to go to those areas mentioned, and see the black hole ?

Yes, i want to do the tourist thing, and snap photos of me next to itugh

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2006.09.14 21:54:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cykles
Forgive this nooby question.. But is there anyway , to go to those areas mentioned, and see the black hole ?


Nope. There's no jump gate in, and no way to get a cyno field up near it. It's unlikely that the black hole exists in the game as anything more than some backstory.

I believe that the info on one of them says that it can be seen by the naked eye from one system, but I don't know if this is actually implemented.

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2006.09.14 22:24:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Splagada
or Here ?


Man if we are the only intelligent lifeform, then thats an awfull waste of space.

(yes blatant use of a line from 'Contact'? Very Happy)

evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.09.14 23:17:00 - [30]
 

I always like this.

There are 1,000,000,000 Stars in the milky way,
If 1 in 100 has planets
If 1 in 100 has life in them
If 1 in 100 has sentient life
Then there is a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of intelligent life.

Which means there are 1 thousand other races out there.

We are not alone, not by a long short.

As for eve, I honsetly though it looked like a sprial galaxy with the various arms spreading out, but after furthur reading, it looks like we are contained inside 1 arm of a spiral galaxy.



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