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Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.09.12 10:07:00 - [31]
 

You are a persistant twit.Laughing

If you have any real concerns you can address them to someone who gives a damn what you think.

Yal XianKun
S P H E R E
Posted - 2006.09.12 11:23:00 - [32]
 

I'm pretty sure the capsuleer community will note that you didn't correct me when I described your overlord as ousted from power. I also suspect that they will interpret that rather lame comeback as a "no comment".

Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2006.09.12 11:37:00 - [33]
 

Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic.

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.09.12 11:43:00 - [34]
 

Im not going to sit here and speak for Vendrin. If he feels the need to correct you, I do beleive he will. Till then Id ask that you keep your mouth quiet on the matter, or you will inflame a volitile situation already.

Shaun Murphy
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
Posted - 2006.09.12 15:06:00 - [35]
 

Mr. Engel, that's quite enough.

The answer to your question is no, Yal. We left the Directive of our own accord, under no outside pressure to leave nor for Vendrin to step down. As for the other things you are insinuating, APEX's internal affairs are not yours to know, and since it's clear you don't have any concrete information on them kindly take your blind speculation elsewhere.

Steiner
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.09.12 15:16:00 - [36]
 

I probably have no reason to comment to this but since I used to work with Vendrin I'd think he had a good reason for this. Good luck APEX and KD.. on whatever road you go.

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.09.12 18:57:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Vendrin on 12/09/2006 18:58:12
Originally by: Yal XianKun
I'm pretty sure the capsuleer community will note that you didn't correct me when I described your overlord as ousted from power. I also suspect that they will interpret that rather lame comeback as a "no comment".


Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining.

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.09.12 19:00:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic.


Mhmm. And where were you in any of the recent wars against corporations that are enemies of the State? Oh yes, fattening your own wallet. Some Patriot.

Svanh Mickahl
Infinite Dreams Inc
Posted - 2006.09.12 20:15:00 - [39]
 

I would urge members of Apex and the Directive to ignore further posts here. As was feared outside forces, likely under Gallante pay, are seeking to create chaos and strife where none exists. We would best serve our respective corporations and the State by ignoring this petty jabs and concentrating on the work we have.


CometQueen
Amarr
Amarr Certified News Agency
Posted - 2006.09.13 00:32:00 - [40]
 

Perhaps now with the Kimotoro Directive free of Liberals they will advance the cause of Patriots and strengthen the boarders of the State.

Perhaps now that Apex is free of Patriots they can extend the Caldari Trade empire deep into the Federation and Republic, also strengthening the State.

It seems like a windfall situation for the Caldari. Good luck in your future endeavors, perhaps this is the beginning of a Liberal Caldari alliance and the beginning of the strengthening of a Patriot alliance.

Prosperity for the Caldari is Prosperity for the Kingdom. I truly wish you well.

Cometqueen
Devotee of God and the Khanid Faith

Jack Malus
Gallente
Gladiators of Rage
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2006.09.13 03:20:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Svanh Mickahl
I would urge members of Apex and the Directive to ignore further posts here. As was feared outside forces, likely under Gallante pay, are seeking to create chaos and strife where none exists. We would best serve our respective corporations and the State by ignoring this petty jabs and concentrating on the work we have.




While I doubt that the Federation is behind this, it is amusing that you think so.

Do not blame others for your own internal issues.

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Yal XianKun
S P H E R E
Posted - 2006.09.13 10:01:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Yal XianKun on 13/09/2006 11:44:34
Originally by: Vendrin

Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining.


We would go mining, but there seems to be wandering APEX pilots a few jumps from our main base of operations. Seeing as your headquarters and standard base of operations is over 35 jumps away - quite a distance (a point you raised when, as members of Kimotoro Directive with us, we asked for help against local banditry), I'm not inclined to sit in my Coveter until we find out what you're doing so far from home.

A little sight-seeing tour? If your members are talking about not inciting anything with one hand, going on a visit to our main base of operations when it is so far away could be seen at best as politically naive.

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.09.13 15:21:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Yal XianKun
Edited by: Yal XianKun on 13/09/2006 11:44:34
Originally by: Vendrin

Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining.


We would go mining, but there seems to be wandering APEX pilots a few jumps from our main base of operations. Seeing as your headquarters and standard base of operations is over 35 jumps away - quite a distance (a point you raised when, as members of Kimotoro Directive with us, we asked for help against local banditry), I'm not inclined to sit in my Coveter until we find out what you're doing so far from home.

A little sight-seeing tour? If your members are talking about not inciting anything with one hand, going on a visit to our main base of operations when it is so far away could be seen at best as politically naive.


We are just returning the favor. After all, we wouldn't want the pilots we haven't seen in the area around our base of operations to be the only ones who see our fine ships.

Helpdesk
Caldari
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2006.09.13 17:25:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Helpdesk on 13/09/2006 17:28:40
Edited by: Helpdesk on 13/09/2006 17:27:52
Originally by: Yal XianKun

... I'm not inclined to sit in my Coveter until we find out what you're doing so far from home.


I actually doubt any APEX Unlimited pilot would be foolish enough to engage AIAAs pilots or assets.

However, should a war occur between APEX Unlimited and Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica (yes, I had to look that up Rolling Eyes), you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.

This should not be seen as a threat towards APEX Unlimited, I would just like to inform the AIAA they (still) have my support.

Update:
Furthermore I wish CAIN best of luck with a Kimotoro Directive without APEX Unlimited. I hope it solves the internal complications that were talked about in this forumthread.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.09.13 18:24:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Helpdesk


However, should a war occur between APEX Unlimited and Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica (yes, I had to look that up Rolling Eyes), you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.

This should not be seen as a threat towards APEX Unlimited, I would just like to inform the AIAA they (still) have my support.




it is worth saying that Patriot Caldari groups have other allies that just other Patriots. after all as i understand it Liberals work with the Federation, a crime in-and-of itself in some loyalist caldari circles. though I do not know if Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica is actually a Patriot faction, it just looks that way.

It would be curious to see if APEX turned to its pro-federation friends for assistance if they were in danger.

Still so far this is a matter of the State so as long as things don't spill over the boarder or threaten outside interest with in the State's boarders I doubt many would become involved or even care.

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.09.13 22:42:00 - [46]
 

Don't speak of what you don't know Bliss.

APEX Unlimited, nor any other corporation that alligns itself with the Liberal faction of the State holds the federation over the State. Most dislike the Federation, the others are simply neutral to it.

We would simply rather expand econmically and expand the State's power in the measure instead of the needless waste of lives in a war that would result in nothing gained for the State or the genocide of the gallentean race.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.09.14 04:48:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Vendrin
Don't speak of what you don't know Bliss.

APEX Unlimited, nor any other corporation that alligns itself with the Liberal faction of the State holds the federation over the State. Most dislike the Federation, the others are simply neutral to it.

We would simply rather expand economically and expand the State's power in the measure instead of the needless waste of lives in a war that would result in nothing gained for the State or the genocide of the gallentean race.


Liberals are willing to deal with the Federation and make trade agreements sending isk into Federation coffers. Patriots prefer to shoot the Federation.

Clearly both sides would have allies in a conflict, just that the Liberals would call upon the Federation. Specifically APEX has some interesting pro-federation corps and alliances as friends.

And excuse me but if you all are going to air your dirty laundry on galnet expect some peanut gallery remarks.

Kyogen Steiner
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
Posted - 2006.09.15 00:10:00 - [48]
 

Quote:
you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.


I very much doubt you will need to convince anyone in your current corporation to go to war.


Gherrit White
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.09.15 03:30:00 - [49]
 

Good lord. One statement saying "so-and-so" corporation has left "so-and-so" alliance, and you get more than a dozen different people bickering and talking crap about it on GalNet.

Helpdesk
Caldari
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2006.09.15 10:52:00 - [50]
 

I understand it would look like that to an outsider. I guess it's hard to make things any clearer without stepping on the toes you don't want to step on.

I myself may not have that much to do with it, but I know APEX Unlimited and I have my reasons to state I am more then willing to support AIAA when needed.

I am glad to hear your statement, mr. Steiner, I knew you weren't fond of liberals anyway.

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.09.15 12:26:00 - [51]
 

Your standings with Ishukone put forth another assumption regarding your views to liberals.

Ill just say this, if this matter does not concern you than stay out of it. Where doing fine, and wish most of KD the best of luck in it's future endeavors, howevor certain people both inside the KD and outside would like to push us into hostile actions, I dont see the need for that nor any good that would come from it.

I do suppose you have a problem with Omerta Syndicate as well for its liberal ideals. Well, the patriot chest thumping wont get you far in this world. After all, 2/3 of the State's Governing body is "liberal".


Helpdesk
Caldari
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2006.09.15 12:43:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jon Engel
Your standings with Ishukone put forth another assumption regarding your views to liberals.


In case you didn't notice, my dear Jon, the fact that Ishukone Watch thinks highly of me does not mean it's automatically mutual.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2006.09.15 14:26:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Jon Engel


howevor certain people both inside the KD and outside would like to push us into hostile actions, I dont see the need for that nor any good that would come from it.




Jon has a point, as much as I'd like to see certain Caldari/intaki get knocked down a peg by their bretheren, the State should't be weakened by internal warfare if it can be avoided.

If it can't then maybe the State will be stronger in the long run.

And Omerta are liberal eh? why can't more Liberals be like them then and go out and kick ass?

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2006.09.15 16:10:00 - [54]
 

Well, honestly, I have no idea what Omerta is up to these days. There opinions expressed by there pilots express a more Liberalist ideal.

Feel free to correct me on that one Omerta.


Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.09.15 17:32:00 - [55]
 

It doesn't matter what our pilots feel, or say. When it comes to our corporate philosophy, only the opinions and plans of Mr. Zaitsev matter. The rest of us are merely here to carry those plans out.

In any case, I really don't see what we have to do with APEX, or KD. This is an internal matter for them. I, personally, wish both organizations well in the coming years, as both have proven to be very good for business.

Yuki Li
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Posted - 2006.09.18 12:39:00 - [56]
 

Quote:
Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic.


Is that so? You know, i'm sure i bumped into Veritas Immortalis once.

Vanzer
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.09.23 18:12:00 - [57]
 

While I am slightly unsettled by this news, I can't say that I am surprised.

Whatever the AIAA thinks of Vendrin, the truth is he is the most honest and upstanding Caldari Citizen I have ever met.

Good luck to APEX.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.09.23 18:47:00 - [58]
 

diference of view we see.
problem is not, if sides remain in same side.

we see CAIN way bit of paranoid.

considering assets, caldari mind and pilots however, unexpected is not.

hopes to both sides continue to flourish.

Takitoo
Posted - 2006.09.23 19:32:00 - [59]
 

*Takitoo comes into view, standing at a podium in a business suit, clears her throat and nods to the assembled.*

Bork Bork Bork. Paranoia. Bork Bork. Territory. Bork. ... Bork Bork Bork Bork. Theft, Bork Bork Bork, insubstantiated rumours, Bork Bork Bork. Uninformed opinions. Bork Bork Bork Bork Bork.

Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen.

Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Posted - 2006.09.23 19:36:00 - [60]
 

Didn't you ever get that bottle of drain cleaner I sent you, Takitoo? The one with the fancy red bow and the expensive champagne flute? I even sent you some cheese and crackers to enjoy it with.

Maybe it was lost in shipping, should I send another?


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