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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.09.06 12:22:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: KIAEddZ
The BE's of the Eve World harm the Merc name, with their cowardly tactics and smacktastic unprofessional approach (and of course the inability to control their trigger fingers), they give the Merc profession a bad name and generally embarrass the rest of us..... that said, I still feel the few honourable Mercenary Corps are the ones the big guys turn to when they need a job done, and as long as that continues the Merc profession will remain healthy within Eves hallowed walls.



Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact our contact performance is better than yours every single time? This, desipte you having by your own admission 5 times as many active pilots.....

I understand you can get embarrased when compared to us, but give it some more practice. You'll get better eventually.


Most serious contracts are not about killratios.

They have more complex goals, sometimes way more straightforward goals and sometimes the goals of a contract can boggle the mind of the mercenary.

Yes, some contracts are about cleansweeping an entire area, but then the client really doesnt give a whole lot if you lose twice as many ships as another merc outfit while killing the same.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:15:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Shin Ra
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact our contact performance is better than yours every single time? This, desipte you having by your own admission 5 times as many active pilots.....

I understand you can get embarrased when compared to us, but give it some more practice. You'll get better eventually.


LoL

Your a joke Shin, cmon man you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. No one mutters your 6 man teams name when talking of serious Merc corps, your just the smacktalkers who gank. You think any other half assedgank group couldnt get your stats if they fought like cowards and ran like girls??

4 Ravens and a few tacklers all wearing LOW SLOT MAX stabs, does not constitute a skilled fighting force, your a 1 trick pony, nothing more and nothing less.

;) xx

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:29:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact our contact performance is better than yours every single time? This, desipte you having by your own admission 5 times as many active pilots.....

I understand you can get embarrased when compared to us, but give it some more practice. You'll get better eventually.


LoL

Your a joke Shin, cmon man you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. No one mutters your 6 man teams name when talking of serious Merc corps, your just the smacktalkers who gank. You think any other half assedgank group couldnt get your stats if they fought like cowards and ran like girls??

4 Ravens and a few tacklers all wearing LOW SLOT MAX stabs, does not constitute a skilled fighting force, your a 1 trick pony, nothing more and nothing less.

;) xx


We don't claim to be professional mercs. We fall somewhere between c and d on Trooper's list.

I am shocked at how little indeed you know of us. And we beat you not only on ratio, but on pure kill stats too. The only reason you get your pityful respect is because people have no problems fighting you, your tactics and results and ordinary. Your draconian corp rules and policies do no make you an excellent combat unit. They only make the real pvpers in EVE, the ones you should be afraid of, think of you as an arrogrant noob.

I don't know where you get this idea of LOW SLOT MAX stabs on all our ships, but if the rest of your opinion of us is formed by forum chinese-whispers, you might as well accept that you nothing about us or how we operate except from what you read on the forums.

Infact, the majoirty of people we kill still have no idea what our tactics really are. I can't count the number of times we've been accused of "teleporting" an other rubbish like that. So you can keep your worthless frig and cruiser ganksquads to yourself and let the pros handle the big guns.

If you have to result to half-assed insults like OMG you have stabs and smacktalk, in order to downplay your own inferiority, then keep trying. Everyone can see through your sherade.

Hugs and kisses

Shin ra

p.s you may want to look back on some of our other threads for insults. I believe we also run from anything resembling a fight and use log-off tactics too.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:36:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: KIAEddZ on 06/09/2006 13:36:02
LoL

Cage Ratlled a little Shinny?

As I said b4, your a nothing entity, a 1 trick pony, kills a bit loses very little, if we all employed your methods, and were willing to debase ourselves to that level of course, then we'd all get the same results. Its about respect, and quite simply on the whole, you dont get any.... wander why that is.

You cant do anything with your little corp other than go to an area and make a nuisance of yourselves, so many contracts are far more than that, but of course you wouldnt have the first clue about that, unless its smack and stabs, irrelevant of your claims otherwise, you don't even get a look in.

Why don't you list the services your corp offers.... we are all listening.


Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:39:00 - [35]
 

Seleene is right, mercing is cool but it does take guts to see it through, and a true dedication to the cause and all the erm...problems that come with it. Some cant hack it (me!) and so fall by the wayside and simply become pirates...preying on the weak for their stuff!

Being labelled a merc is cool, and I certainly didnt mind having the reputation. But well Im happier without having to defend an outpost or mine 100k trit a day for industrial ops...and well when you see that neutral hauler in 0.0...he should have known better right?

Fact is mercs are griefers, scum, trash like the rest of it, I actually got more hatemail mercing than pirating Shocked

But they are as you say knights in shining armour, I know one of eyeshdows problems with how sharks was run in the early days was that we rescued his corp just on a whim almost (hi AOI!)and then turned around within weeks and destroyed 2 corps who irritated us...cant even remember their names...(this was just us mucking around it wasnt a contract but the mentality is the same)

But to me that is what neutrality is all about you truely dont care...you have no morals beyond those imposed by your profession (get paid in the mcs case, always keep your word for a pirate etc)

Valuable entities they are indeed *pokes seleene to come play with us*. Somethings a 20 man pirate corp cant do on their own YARRRR!!

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:42:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 06/09/2006 13:36:02
Its about respect, and quite simply on the whole, you dont get any.... wander why that is.





You know what i respect them more than you because they freely admit their tactics...and they are effective. So what if the enemy doesnt like it, your not their for their entertainment

UDIE smack is ofc legendary an dsomething I dont like...but hell your busy dissing them for being a small corp and not offering services. Doesnt make them any less mercenary when they accept money to do a job which will always be within their reach to do.

You can do more than they can. Yay for you?

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:51:00 - [37]
 

The population as a whole sees Stab Whoring and the resultant crowing with a pretty dim view I think... (if BE believe that saying it doesnt make it so, then they are more deluded than I thought, ask the members of my corp that have had the mispleasure of having to deal with them)

KIA dont get the kill death ratio BE do, but we bring it, we dont talk the talk and run like a girl when the walk is asked of us, and in that singular essence is the difference between pseudo merc corps like BE, and the real ones like OO MC KIA BP etc

I pick 6 of my PvP Vet guys, send them to some space with stabs and free local chatter, and I could emulate BE in about 5 mins.... building something like MC is a lifetimes work.

I dont respect them, because they are first to crow, but last to stand.. I have no time for cowards, and I am sure I am not alone in this.

When BE take on someone that has the ability counter them and fight back, then maybe they will get some respect, maybe....

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:54:00 - [38]
 

I agree, we discourage stab use unless solo and you have free slots...my cowardly example would be if I need to gank a t1 hauler you need 2 volleys of cruises, so the extra dmg mods dont help therefore stabs \o/. Havent used that in a year tho...

Sure we dont like stabs but I think its wrong (for everyone) to rage on and on about a totally valid game mechanic...if they were loggers or whatever then I wouldnt give them any respect, but they do what they do well

Anaka Totoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.09.06 14:29:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Anaka Totoch on 06/09/2006 14:52:20
Mercs have always had the upper hand in the fact that they have no home as such and so any damage that is inflicted upon them is inflicted in their contracts back yard. Althought i think that MC have their own outpost iirc.

I have always wondered how it is that a merc can be set back to neutral as i very much doubt taht would be thinkable in RL,

"Sorry we just decimated your country, but it was ok coz i got paid for it, anyway the contract is finished now, hope we can still be friends"

I know its a game but still, it doesnt tally.

On the otherhand they help the defencless, ie industrial corps and also seem to have a certain amount of nobility about them. So taking the good with the bad seems to the only way to go.

As for Shin Ra and his great "strategy and tactics" I find it hard to believe that no one has worked it out. Dictor pops bubble up cloaks. Hostile caught in bubble. stabbed bs warp in *pop*. Rinse and repeat.

Im sure many people thought of it but at the same time thought, " that is the lamest and most boring tactic i can ever think of, who would even want to do that, i would rather watch paint dry". However it seems that some people, you , prefer to look at a killboard and numbers than actually play a game.

Personally i feel sorry for the members of your corp as i have never seen them do anything other than that. I wonder how many people fall asleep on your pvp ops. I look forward to the wcs nerf... and heaven forbid you might actually have to use tactics and pvp after. Although im sure you will come up with another borderline tactic.

The poster above was right, with the tactics you use you will always be a nuisance and never a threat, though i guess you are happy with that?

On the subject of mercs they will always be there as long as they are needed and i think they will always be needed.

Just some thoughts
Anaka Totoch
CEO of The Dark Knights of Deneb

PS Shin ra it is not chinese whispers i have personally come under attack from BE on two seperate occasions, but i survived both so they wont be on your killboard

Tito Taneki
Gallente
German Cyberdome Corp
Posted - 2006.09.06 14:53:00 - [40]
 

From an out-of-game view:
Mercs are another important human factor in EVE politics and warfare and another profession to chose. So they enhance EVE's 'content' and make it better.
I mean many of us play to be confronted with new situations in this EVE universe and not to do and experience the same things again and again (except some grinders maybe^^)
Diversity makes eve interesting and exciting.

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.09.06 14:59:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 06/09/2006 13:36:02
LoL

Cage Ratlled a little Shinny?

As I said b4, your a nothing entity, a 1 trick pony, kills a bit loses very little, if we all employed your methods, and were willing to debase ourselves to that level of course, then we'd all get the same results. Its about respect, and quite simply on the whole, you dont get any.... wander why that is.

You cant do anything with your little corp other than go to an area and make a nuisance of yourselves, so many contracts are far more than that, but of course you wouldnt have the first clue about that, unless its smack and stabs, irrelevant of your claims otherwise, you don't even get a look in.

Why don't you list the services your corp offers.... we are all listening.




There is one other person who posts on these forums that I've never seen get worked up about anything (DB Preacher). 95% of communication is through body language and tone. I assure you, all thats being rattled here is your ego. Seriously, your forum whoring is stooping to ASCN levels here.

If 5 of your pilots can do the same as we do, proove it.

OK, lets talk about respect. Respect comes in two forms. Firstly, how you percieve it: It is what happens when you fight an enemy who ranges from slightly better than you to inferior to you. You get some good fights, win some and loose some. While giving your clients enemy a good fight may be your way of satisfying a contract, I can assure you its not ours.

We play to be #1. The vast majority of people in EVE hate our guts. Its not because we are such terrible pvpers - they would just kill us and laugh at us if that were the case. Its because we go deep into their space with a gang of battleships, kick the crap about everyone in the area, move on and remind them of it later. People simply do not know what to do about us, resulting in 100 man fleets trying to camp us in. We are a major pain in the ass to everyone. Our respect come from people sitting in their pods wondering in awe how the hell their 50 man gang let them die to 4 ravens.

Now, we can start whole threads about respect, but it matters not to us. To be respected is not one of our primary goals. They are: fun, kills, isk.

You certainly don't sound like a fun kind of outfit, you certainly don't do very well in terms of kills. And judging by the fact that your members have to make their ISK from carebearing and not PVP, things aren't looking that great for you. Now, if so many people respect you so dearly, what does it matter, as if respect can be spent or gives enjoyment.

Our corp accepts occasional contracts should they fit our needs in terms of enjoyment and fun. If our goals and our employers goals happen to be the same, sure we will take money from them. If not, then they can pay you fools to sit around camping Jita for t1 frigates all day.

Other than that we do as we please, and so far nobody has been able to stop us...

jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
Posted - 2006.09.06 15:28:00 - [42]
 

Actually Eddz, BE have swapped tactics a bit. T2 Torps, damps, a cloak, and 1 or 2 stabs with some damage mods seem to be their tactic now. And a dictor ofc.

The only 0.0 system ive seen them around when I fought them was the entry system where they can get all the traffic, instead of going to the heart of our systems and hitting up mining ops, npcers, etc.

GoGo Yubari
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.09.06 15:54:00 - [43]
 

The political implications of the possibility of seeking a resolution to any diplomatic/political crises by hiring mercenaries are more widespread than it might seem at first glance. In the realm of realpolitik, mercenaries are a welcome tool.

This actually presents an interesting moral dilemma. A ready supply of mercenaries capable of projecting enough force to destabilize even the larger political players contributes quite heavily to a diplomatic climate where morals rarely dictate policy ahead of simple power politics.

So, you could argue that mercenaries are not only a result of, but also contribute to the dominant political reality of the Eve cluster. They serve to keep us in this quasi-feudal stage of political development.

merc999
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.09.06 16:14:00 - [44]
 

A lot of view points, and it shows that even within the profession there is disagreement as to wether the Mercenary is anything more than a hired pirate ! ConfusedWink

However the scariest thing about this thread so far is that I read
Quote:
The political implications of the possibility of seeking a resolution to any diplomatic/political crises by hiring mercenaries are more widespread than it might seem at first glance. In the realm of realpolitik, mercenaries are a welcome tool.

and actually not only understood it, but also agree !!!Crying or Very sadShocked

Broska
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2006.09.06 16:22:00 - [45]
 

There scum, but there my kind of scum. (I can't for the life of me remember where that quote is from).

Mercs provide a dimension to eve that makes it worth playing. Demonstrates what can be accomplished by the player base with no in game tools to support it.

The value of them? Huge.

When i was flying with Kaos Empire, the MC had a contract on us and FE. Made our life hell logisticly and economicly.

Liu Kaskakka
Caldari
PAK
Posted - 2006.09.06 16:46:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: GoGo Yubari
The political implications of the possibility of seeking a resolution to any diplomatic/political crises by hiring mercenaries are more widespread than it might seem at first glance. In the realm of realpolitik, mercenaries are a welcome tool.

This actually presents an interesting moral dilemma. A ready supply of mercenaries capable of projecting enough force to destabilize even the larger political players contributes quite heavily to a diplomatic climate where morals rarely dictate policy ahead of simple power politics.

So, you could argue that mercenaries are not only a result of, but also contribute to the dominant political reality of the Eve cluster. They serve to keep us in this quasi-feudal stage of political development.


GoGo, stop trying to impress the asian chick next to you with them fancy words!!

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2006.09.06 16:50:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Cpt Pugwash on 06/09/2006 16:50:56
For the most part mercs are pirating scum who are from time to time fortunate enough to get paqid for their lifestyle



I aplaud CVA for their stance on Mercs, it is a shame more don't have the guts to follow suit. It is the willingness to forgive and forget so easily that allows corps/alliances to stab each other wantonly in the back then turn around the next day and ask for a nap. Once you break your word you should have to work very hard on mending your reputation.



Eddz are you saying we are second best to BE but better because we do it our own special way?

BE are forum whoring oathbreaking piriting scum, but they are better than you at PVP.

WCS are part of the game and a damn useful module if used correctly, any CEO who bans his members from using them is an idiot.



GoGo Yubari
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.09.06 16:51:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Liu Kaskakka

GoGo, stop trying to impress the asian chick next to you with them fancy words!!


After that barrage, she is no longer next to me, but under me!

Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:04:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Anaka Totoch
I have always wondered how it is that a merc can be set back to neutral as i very much doubt taht would be thinkable in RL,

"Sorry we just decimated your country, but it was ok coz i got paid for it, anyway the contract is finished now, hope we can still be friends"

I know its a game but still, it doesnt tally.


The biggest difference between EVE and RL is that in EVE, for pod pilots, death is not permanent. (Unless you're some Amarrian fundamentalist RPing and trashing your char after getting podded, because Amarrian society frowns upon cloning).

So in the end, all you really destroy are assets, no actual people get killed in conflict.

Also, most respect in the EVE universe is built on the battlefield. How many alliances have been made between people that used to fight eachother?

I can't really see how we can really compare RL morals with in-game morals if one of the fundaments of our society is different:
- Death is not permanent.

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:06:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash

BE are forum whoring oathbreaking piriting scum, but they are better than you at PVP.

WCS are part of the game and a damn useful module if used correctly, any CEO who bans his members from using them is an idiot.





The first time I heard of KIA was in a video where some guy (presumably Eddz) was saying: "If anyone talks while I'm calling targets, I'll pod you myself."

Clearly, someone who has mastererd small gang tactics Rolling Eyes

Oh an Pugwash, I shall remind you it was Rubra who shot at us first in Fountain...

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:17:00 - [51]
 

Fighting alongside an old enemy is not the issue, trusting one who breaks his word, even if he hasn't broken his word yet is another.

How anyone can trust an entity that repeatidly breaks it's word is beyond me.


Speaking of which Shinra. Yes Rubra fired first but only after BE broke the nap by trying unsuccessfully to pirate a member of Afterlife and a Diplomatic solution was going nowere.

When Rubra fired on BE you atleast had the knowledge the NAP was over.

Koth Krakenworth
Minmatar
Mugen Industry
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:22:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
The population as a whole sees Stab Whoring and the resultant crowing with a pretty dim view I think...


Dude, 90%+ of "the population" ARE stab *****s Laughing You should take a swing to any 0.0 out there and take a look yourself

zincol
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:29:00 - [53]
 

I'd Hire Burn Eden to get the max out of my isk,and get the job done,Good K/D ratio.YARRRR!!

i'd Hire kia to throw ships at the enemy for a few weeks and laugh at it for entertainment as they seem to be really awsome at that,Bad K/D ratio.ugh




Anaka Totoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:31:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Anaka Totoch
I have always wondered how it is that a merc can be set back to neutral as i very much doubt taht would be thinkable in RL,

"Sorry we just decimated your country, but it was ok coz i got paid for it, anyway the contract is finished now, hope we can still be friends"

I know its a game but still, it doesnt tally.


The biggest difference between EVE and RL is that in EVE, for pod pilots, death is not permanent. (Unless you're some Amarrian fundamentalist RPing and trashing your char after getting podded, because Amarrian society frowns upon cloning).

So in the end, all you really destroy are assets, no actual people get killed in conflict.

Also, most respect in the EVE universe is built on the battlefield. How many alliances have been made between people that used to fight eachother?

I can't really see how we can really compare RL morals with in-game morals if one of the fundaments of our society is different:
- Death is not permanent.


Although what you say is true, let me give you an example.

Alliance A is not wealthy or large but they have a fair amount of strength. They work together for a few months and muster funds and logistics to erect an outpost. It has left the alliance a lil weak as a lot of work has gone into it.

Alliance B of a similar size come along and decide they would like to inhabitat that area and outpost. A war ensues and the battles are fairly equal. Alliance B decides to up their chances by hiring a merc corp, alliance A would like to but does not have funds.

The newly hired merc corp, just doing their job, tips the balance of war towards alliance B s side and they win control over the space and outpost. Now directly because of that merc corp, alliance A has lost their space and billions worth in assets, something they worked towards for months.

Although no one has died, would it not be reasonable for alliance A never to set that merc corp to + unless they did something truly worthy of it???
Personally i would consider the mercs just as hostile to me as that alliance B, even though it was just a job, if the merc corp can see they are helpng B win then they have actively taken the choice to destroy A. Should they not be held accountable for their actions or "was it just a job".\

Perhaps it is subjective, and depends entirely on factors, such as how you were brought up, but that is how i personally feel. Their may be no right or wrong answer. I look forward to hearing your reply.

Anaka Totoch
CEO of The Dark Knights of Deneb

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.09.06 17:41:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Shin Ra on 06/09/2006 17:41:55
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Fighting alongside an old enemy is not the issue, trusting one who breaks his word, even if he hasn't broken his word yet is another.

How anyone can trust an entity that repeatidly breaks it's word is beyond me.


Speaking of which Shinra. Yes Rubra fired first but only after BE broke the nap by trying unsuccessfully to pirate a member of Afterlife and a Diplomatic solution was going nowere.

When Rubra fired on BE you atleast had the knowledge the NAP was over.


Ok AFAIK, none of us were aware u were friends with anyone else in Fountain. We only had u guys on blue, nobody else. I wasn't aware of any diplomacy either, nor were any of aware (to my knowledge) that u were gonna start shooting us. Maybe we've finally gotten to the bottom of that now...

Anyway, back to the topic


Witch Doctor
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
Posted - 2006.09.06 18:25:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Witch Doctor on 06/09/2006 18:33:52
Edited by: Witch Doctor on 06/09/2006 18:32:56
Originally by: Anaka Totoch

Although what you say is true, let me give you an example.

Alliance A is not wealthy or large but they have a fair amount of strength. They work together for a few months and muster funds and logistics to erect an outpost. It has left the alliance a lil weak as a lot of work has gone into it.

Alliance B of a similar size come along and decide they would like to inhabitat that area and outpost. A war ensues and the battles are fairly equal. Alliance B decides to up their chances by hiring a merc corp, alliance A would like to but does not have funds.

The newly hired merc corp, just doing their job, tips the balance of war towards alliance B s side and they win control over the space and outpost. Now directly because of that merc corp, alliance A has lost their space and billions worth in assets, something they worked towards for months.

Although no one has died, would it not be reasonable for alliance A never to set that merc corp to + unless they did something truly worthy of it???
Personally i would consider the mercs just as hostile to me as that alliance B, even though it was just a job, if the merc corp can see they are helpng B win then they have actively taken the choice to destroy A. Should they not be held accountable for their actions or "was it just a job".\

Perhaps it is subjective, and depends entirely on factors, such as how you were brought up, but that is how i personally feel. Their may be no right or wrong answer. I look forward to hearing your reply.

Anaka Totoch
CEO of The Dark Knights of Deneb


That's certainly your prerogative, but what do you stand to gain by setting the mercs negative? We don't care either way and will unthinkingly shoot you if you shoot us. The only impact is on your corp - the threat of a client's target setting us negative on an ongoing basis doesn't affect our decision to take contracts in the slightest and really just gives our starving dogs something to do between contracts.

As for the example, I would question why Alliance A made such a risky bet as to pour all their money into a conquerable asset without reserving some capital as contingency. Maybe if you're in a rush to claim the system, but perhaps a more savvy leader, like the leader in Alliance B, would set aside the money to make sure they can protect the asset. Alliance A invested in building the asset - Alliance B invested in taking it.

As Seleene has often said, it is a wise idea to at least factor in the possibility of a merc presence on either side when considering war scenarios. That will leave you a lot more prepared for when they show up and position you to use them as the tools that they are.

Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.09.06 18:32:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
The population as a whole sees Stab Whoring and the resultant crowing with a pretty dim view I think... (if BE believe that saying it doesnt make it so, then they are more deluded than I thought, ask the members of my corp that have had the mispleasure of having to deal with them)

KIA dont get the kill death ratio BE do, but we bring it, we dont talk the talk and run like a girl when the walk is asked of us, and in that singular essence is the difference between pseudo merc corps like BE, and the real ones like OO MC KIA BP etc

I pick 6 of my PvP Vet guys, send them to some space with stabs and free local chatter, and I could emulate BE in about 5 mins.... building something like MC is a lifetimes work.

I dont respect them, because they are first to crow, but last to stand.. I have no time for cowards, and I am sure I am not alone in this.

When BE take on someone that has the ability counter them and fight back, then maybe they will get some respect, maybe....


I respected KIA when they were mercs then they joined an alliance ...then ...oh well s** hitted the fan .

And speak for yourself when you say that BE dont deserve respect,they deserve has much or more respect has you do.

Trooper B99
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.09.06 18:58:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Trooper B99 on 06/09/2006 19:00:09

As has been noted, it goes both ways for attacked entities to set mercs negative after a contract. They gain another set of targets to shoot which can be good and bad. *chuckle* It also generally precludes the entity from hiring that corp if they should feel the need to.

Its up to that individual group to decide on how they act post contract for their needs and aims and also to the merc corp how they act in response as tide and opinions in this game can change over time.

Rodge
Caldari
Rodgenet
Posted - 2006.09.06 19:03:00 - [59]
 

Personally, I found the mercing life to be a bit boring after a while. Got a lot of respect for guys like the MC who've stuck to it way before anyone even thought about it as a viable career. Funny thing about mercing. If a merc corp is hired against you and does a lot of damage, who would you think of hiring when you needed a bit of extra firepower? Very Happy

As for the stab issue, I don't know a single merc corp who hasn't made use of them in pvp. Some do it more than others, of course Very Happy

The results of any mercenary's contract isn't always defined by their kill ratio (though that can certainly be part of it). If you're hired to take on an alliance and that alliance don't get to do a single complex, get a single mining op done etc... then you can be a success without killing a single ship. If, on the other hand, all you do is kill the odd npcer or agent runner then you haven't really accomplished all that much. If the merc corp engages formations of the contract mark's PvPers, then it can be said that the target of the contract is getting just as much out of it as anyone.

This is where BE's style will stand them in good stead. They'll sit with cloaked interdictors as long as it takes to get a kill. They'll shut down systems as opponents bring 5:1 in numbers to try to catch them. So what if they're not having any fun? The alliance they're targetting has 5+ times as many people who aren't having fun and are wasting time trying to chase a few people away. Doing the boring things against an alliance will hurt it much more than providing it willing targets for a 30v30 fleet battle in their home systems (which most alliances of note would kill to get on a regular basis!). Personally, I'd consider hiring BE if I needed someone to be "griefed"! (if i could afford it....)

I recall watching the MCvEverlasting Vendetta videos. MC camped EV into their home station for days. Boring for both sides - yes. But it was EV that was the one that lost income (from not being able to do anything) and lost members (people who can't do anything get bored.....). Contract - successful!

Still, mercing is certainly a viable career in eve. You make a lot of enemies along the way, but it's certainly possible to make a hell of a lot of isk along the way Very Happy

Hakera
Minmatar
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Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.09.06 19:08:00 - [60]
 

militas have been used since 'almost' the dawn of time to supplement the regulars. Much in the same way its easier to employ someone to deal with a short term problem. In an eve sense, they are indeed valuable scum who can sometimes do more damage than an entity can sustain and recover from and help tip the balance pushing the target into the abyss.

as tyraxx says, what else is there to spend isk on :)





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