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jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
Posted - 2006.08.17 02:43:00 - [61]
 

Exodier, You had an IPO not to long ago... When are we going to see more payouts?

Bloodst0ne
Caldari
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.17 02:49:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: samba mk2
Yeh gl to CVA i will take great pride in seeing u fall
Very Happy


/signed..

p.s.
Would the ISD responsible for deleting my post (after the first ISD reply) please specify why it was deleted?

kthxbye
-blood

Xardrix
Amarr
Southern Cross Incorporated
Pure.
Posted - 2006.08.17 02:51:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Tom Hanks
Yes the rumors are true. A CVA carrier was destroyed outside the Misaba station by a Tard fleet. We also destroyed a Malediction and recovered hundreds of millions worth of equipment. The best part is that we did not take any losses, and Aralis (artillery, antimatter, torpedo, laser sponge) didnt even deploy a fighter or drone in self defense. His mind was too broken from having our elite warriors engage him in such a violent manner.


Aralis in his Archon Decided to undock and test his masterful tank. We had enough forces there that only 12 showed up on the killmail. I believe Aralis was distracted by Real Life, or something, and was bumped away from the fine line on those poorly positioned Amarr Stations, that would allow him to redock. From this point, we had 3+ Webbers, Scramblers, an weapons unloaded agaisnt him. If not for the incredible invention of NOS then, his tank may have never been overcome.

Could he have fought back? No. Tom Hanks, regardless of his Smak talking is a masterful ECM pilot, and his lone ship held Aralis's targeting computers at bay.

Similarly, a PIE Archon went down to the PRIORY fleet. But that is a (rather abrupt) tale for another day.

I have but one request for those masterfully arguing on these forums. Stick to speaking of battles in which you actually fought. Kill boards, even when accurate do not paint a full picture. Half Truths are lies too!

May the battle be intense, but may we be victorious. The Amarrian god is dead.

Murukan
Minmatar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.17 05:16:00 - [64]
 

Xardix is emo

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.17 06:16:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 17/08/2006 06:16:03
Originally by: Xardrix
Could he have fought back? No. Tom Hanks, regardless of his Smak talking is a masterful ECM pilot, and his lone ship held Aralis's targeting computers at bay.


Carriers, while durable, can indeed be jammed and rendered helpless quite easily. They are not front line combat units and are best employed in groups, not solo. The only part of a carrier that an enemy should see are its fighters warping in behind a frigate swarm to blow you the hell up.

Hans Roaming
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.08.17 09:11:00 - [66]
 

Have seen enough carriers go down to know they are not front line units, that carrier should have been at a POS dishing out it's fighters.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 10:04:00 - [67]
 

I,m gonna disagree slightly.

KIA carriers are deployed often into front line engagements, the trick is a simple one, have pilots who know what they are doing, have support on hand, and always be in the magic triangle at least.

We are yet to lose one. And it would take 1 hell of a fleet to take one of us.

Theres a challenge CVA.... xx

Semkhet
Gallente
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.08.17 17:54:00 - [68]
 

Some believe that wars may be won on the forums, and others rely on what they see on the field.

Lately it's difficult to fly in CVA-claimed space without bumping in their cans.

It's even better when you whitness CVA & Co ships first warping at 100Km from gates, then warping out and landing back on the gate again using an insta. At this stage, seems that the only thing they did'n try yet is assigning a scouting covop to each of their ships...

If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure Laughing

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 18:18:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Semkhet

If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure Laughing

The loss of our capacity to replace our vessels far faster than you can shoot them down would be a start.

The Sudden Death Squad are getting hammered. Kills against Priory and KIA continue to flow as well. All indications are that CVA have not been hindered at all in their ability to operate, though I'll certainly give our enemies credit for their kills.

Maybe we're looking at different snapshots. Or maybe you really are trying to win this one on the forums Wink

Vantras
Minmatar
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 18:19:00 - [70]
 

hmmm...scouting gates and using insta's with four or five active wars...

GUILTY AS CHARGED!

You got me! <confesses to the tactics>

Vantras

Vantras
Minmatar
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 18:20:00 - [71]
 

oh and who is this "whitness" person you speak of?

Vantras

Murukan
Minmatar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.17 18:47:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Murukan on 17/08/2006 18:47:28
nvm not going to take the bait

Semkhet
Gallente
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.08.17 19:01:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Vantras
hmmm...scouting gates and using insta's with four or five active wars...

GUILTY AS CHARGED!

You got me! <confesses to the tactics>

Vantras


Well, such cautious approach of gates would be understandable in 0.0, but since I'am seeing this in Empire where we can't use bubbles nor interdiction spheres, I find it highly amusing.

Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.

But I'am not here to argue. See you on the field & good luck Wink

Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 19:02:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Some believe that wars may be won on the forums, and others rely on what they see on the field.

Lately it's difficult to fly in CVA-claimed space without bumping in their cans.

It's even better when you whitness CVA & Co ships first warping at 100Km from gates, then warping out and landing back on the gate again using an insta. At this stage, seems that the only thing they did'n try yet is assigning a scouting covop to each of their ships...

If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure Laughing


Sorry who are you? Ive never seen you in space or over local comms and according to both Priory and CVA war statistics you have been involved in exactly zero combat? I presume you are one of the "Wars can be won on forums" camp then?

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 19:11:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Garreck on 17/08/2006 19:11:24
Originally by: Semkhet

Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.


Actually, anyone with mathematical flair understands that the ratio to your enemy doesn't matter a whit...the ratio to income is what does matter. In fact, anyone with mathematical flair will also realize that if our inferior number of kills is doing more damage to your income than your superior number of kills is doing to our income...it would be Priory who end up having to withdraw. (A hypothetical, of course. It's obvious that Priory are not hurting for cash.)

So far none of our enemies have made even an attempt on CVA's considerable financial might.

By all means, tell folks you're beating us on an isk killed/isk lost ratio. (I think right now both Priory and Omniscient Order can make such claims.) But you have come in here with a stated goal of rubbing out the CVA; you should understand that a superior kill ratio won't accomplish that for you.

Vantras
Minmatar
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 19:16:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
...anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.

Wink


Oh my! Did you tell your allies TSDS this? I am not sure they are as certain of the mathematical certainty of thier demise as you seem to be. I suggest you mail them right now with this discovery!

Personally I dont think theyre going to collapse-im sorry to hear you do...being allies and all.

Vantras

Hans Roaming
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.08.17 19:17:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Semkhet
Some believe that wars may be won on the forums, and others rely on what they see on the field.

Lately it's difficult to fly in CVA-claimed space without bumping in their cans.

It's even better when you whitness CVA & Co ships first warping at 100Km from gates, then warping out and landing back on the gate again using an insta. At this stage, seems that the only thing they did'n try yet is assigning a scouting covop to each of their ships...

If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure Laughing


Sorry who are you? Ive never seen you in space or over local comms and according to both Priory and CVA war statistics you have been involved in exactly zero combat? I presume you are one of the "Wars can be won on forums" camp then?


Wrecking shot!!!

When the staton near r3 doesn't have CVA above the door then it can be said they are being hammered, checking out gates to see if they are clear with hostiles in local isn't dumb if they don't want to get scrambled by you. When this ends CVA will either be in low sec Domain and Providence or they will have been ousted, until then it's just so much noise on the forums either way.

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2006.08.17 20:15:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: maGz on 17/08/2006 20:36:01
Originally by: Garreck
Edited by: Garreck on 17/08/2006 19:11:24
Originally by: Semkhet

Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.


Actually, anyone with mathematical flair understands that the ratio to your enemy doesn't matter a whit...the ratio to income is what does matter. In fact, anyone with mathematical flair will also realize that if our inferior number of kills is doing more damage to your income than your superior number of kills is doing to our income...it would be Priory who end up having to withdraw. (A hypothetical, of course. It's obvious that Priory are not hurting for cash.)

So far none of our enemies have made even an attempt on CVA's considerable financial might.

By all means, tell folks you're beating us on an isk killed/isk lost ratio. (I think right now both Priory and Omniscient Order can make such claims.) But you have come in here with a stated goal of rubbing out the CVA; you should understand that a superior kill ratio won't accomplish that for you.


Although you're teh enemy; QFT.

Superior kill ratio's are nice to look at on killboards etc., however they will never result in the demise of an established alliance such as CVA. I personally am pleased with this, because if destroying ships was the only thing you had to do to destroy an alliance, EVE would be a boring game in the long run.

However I do believe we're getting a bit closer to our goal after receiving this earlier this evening regarding our mutual war that has been going on for about 1.5 weeks now:

2006.08.17 18:40
The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.


Game on gents Razz

EXZODIER
Caldari
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.08.17 20:41:00 - [79]
 

now hans we both know that the station aint gona fall i mean none of us in the bus have ever seen the way it can be done and we have no capital ships, so chances of seeing our name above the door on the 23rd of this month are very slim,

dont ya think ?

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 21:07:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: maGz
2006.08.17 18:40
The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.



It would stand to reason that this has very much to do with Priory's own retraction of war from PIE today. An empire war is no longer neccessary to defend our allies. Where we go from here obviously depends on how badly Priory wants to see the CVA crushed.

Game on indeed.

Xardrix
Amarr
Southern Cross Incorporated
Pure.
Posted - 2006.08.17 21:10:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Xardrix on 17/08/2006 21:14:34
Edited by: Xardrix on 17/08/2006 21:14:16
...beaten to the punch.

\o/ for no Empire Wars. My sec is slowly dying anyway.

Once a pirate... You know?

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2006.08.17 22:33:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: maGz on 17/08/2006 22:45:26
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: maGz
2006.08.17 18:40
The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.



It would stand to reason that this has very much to do with Priory's own retraction of war from PIE today. An empire war is no longer neccessary to defend our allies. Where we go from here obviously depends on how badly Priory wants to see the CVA crushed.

Game on indeed.


Let me get this straight; you retract the war against us @ 18:40 today, because we retracted the war against PIE Inc. @ 20:33 today. Uhm... something smells fishy here Rolling EyesRazz

EDIT: We want you crushed badly mkay... Guess that's enough *wink* hint *wink* for you Wink

samba mk2
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
Posted - 2006.08.17 22:45:00 - [83]
 

what a load of u know what

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 22:50:00 - [84]
 

Speculate all you like... it's entertaining.

Al0ne
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.08.17 22:55:00 - [85]
 

Gotta love thier enthusiasm.

Garreck
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.17 23:02:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Al0ne
Gotta love thier enthusiasm.

We currently have every reason to be enthusiastic Cool

gusta
Amarr
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.08.17 23:03:00 - [87]
 

I take it you guys didnt like a mutual war.

Semkhet
Gallente
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.08.17 23:04:00 - [88]
 

Funny how some people suffers the attention span of hamsters on amphetamines. Obviously reading alone doesen't lead to comprehension.

You say that it doesen't matter how many ships you loose as long your income isn't damaged. It is true and false at the same time depending on the choosen analytical depth. Where did you see me referring to the theorical isk loss related to ships destruction ?

In EVE like in RL, power is function of a triade formed by diplomacy, isk/ressources and military might. Diplomacy is the game of a few, isk/ressources depend upon more people, and military might is the job of many unless you systematically outsource your fights.

Since the ultimate mission of fleets is either to protect or expand influence and assets, unlinking the financing of military might with the quality of the fleet supposed to protect ressources by dismissing the significance of losses is IMHO unwise to say the least. Your statements could be interpreted as a lack of respect toward your members base, unless you want to pretend that every CVA player is billionaire...

What brings me logically to my initial remark: since when in Empire isn't an insta sufficient to safely leave a system ? What some failed to seize is the underlying mindset afflicting those who scout an Empire gate just before using an insta. Is this symptomatic of the reigning mood in CVA ? I don't know, time will tell Wink

Montague Zooma
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.18 00:54:00 - [89]
 

Maybe you're just spending too much time watching jump gates. I hear the sheer boredom can drive you space-happy.

Hakera
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.08.18 01:29:00 - [90]
 

there are certain people in the CVA and friends who could for all intense purposes buy KIA/TSDS assets without breaking pocket change.

Saying that your having an impact on them is laughable at best other than providing them with experience. Eve as a game is designed so losses anyway are easily recovered. So even without their numerous rich benefactors within, they were unlikely to suffer at all and only on a short term scale at best.


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