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Dal Denai
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:09:00 - [1]
 

Just a curious thought, if Tux and Hammer recognize that a MWD cap bonus is rather trashy, changing it to the suggested mass redux bonus, which looks rather nice, is it probable to see the bonus on other ships like the Thorax, Deimos, Vigilant, etc. changedQuestion

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:16:00 - [2]
 

screw the mass reduction, might as well stick it with the 7.5% armour rep efficency bonus. Lets be serious, the Hyperion can only be reasonably balanced if its top speed is equal to or only slightly less than the fastest of the teir 2/3 Battleships. Mass reduction is just going to turn it into a Hyperbond :p

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:17:00 - [3]
 

and whats wrong with a hyperbond ???!11?!
with 1200 dps, i'll take that, thankies.

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
and whats wrong with a hyperbond ???!11?!
with 1200 dps, i'll take that, thankies.


Though the thought of a Hyperbond interests me, I don't think its worth bringing down the End of Days on the forums :p

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:21:00 - [5]
 

the demios needs a serious boast, as a one trick pony, it's extremely vunible. With weapon ranges so small, it makes sence having some reasonible speed boosts.

ATM it's

Mimitar
.
.
Amarr
Gallente
.
.
Caldari

In the speed table.

Gall shouldn't get direct speed increases, but should atleast be faster than the amarr, or be more effiecient in speed boost tech.

Dal Denai
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:26:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
Gall shouldn't get direct speed increases, but should atleast be faster than the amarr, or be more effiecient in speed boost tech.



Which is exactly what a %mass reduction bonus, like the currently proposed one for the Hyperion, would do.

Base speed would remain unchanged, but the reduced mass would make ABs and MWDs have a much increased effect, and the reduced mass would make those ships a good bit more agile, and who doesn't want an agile Deimos?

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:28:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dal Denai

Which is exactly what a %mass reduction bonus, like the currently proposed one for the Hyperion, would do.

Base speed would remain unchanged, but the reduced mass would make ABs and MWDs have a much increased effect, and the reduced mass would make those ships a good bit more agile, and who doesn't want an agile Deimos?

LoL
Are you dissagreeing or agreeing with me? :P

Sovereign533
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.03 00:30:00 - [8]
 

yeah, make the Deimos even stronger, it's not powerfull enough.
sry for the sarcasm, but with 5 t2 medium drones, 5 t2 blasters.. and taking the double dmg bonus + falloff bonus in count.. it is really dangerous.. and i know that blasters use more cap then rails, you also need to run a tank.. so every bit of cap helps.. this ship is dangerous at short range..

but i bet i misunderstand this.. what is so bad with 25% less cap penalty for the Deimos?

Hamatitio
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.08.03 01:36:00 - [9]
 

Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.

Sovereign533
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.03 01:52:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hamatitio
Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.


but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..

and love your sig btw ^_^

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.08.03 02:02:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio
Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.


but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..

and love your sig btw ^_^
the mass and agility sucks, it has marginally better fittings when compared with the thorax.

Darpz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.03 02:41:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Darpz on 03/08/2006 02:50:31
Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio
Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.


but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..

and love your sig btw ^_^


the main reason is Blasterships need 4 slots to work. Deimos has only 3, that added with the marginal fittings and you have your reason.

my Proposal for the Deimos and Thorax (after the thorax lost its drone bay it really hasn't been the greatest ship in the world)

Change the MWD bonus to the Mass/Agility bonus
Boost the Cap Capsity by 25% and Reduce the Cap Recharge rate so the the Cap per sec regen is the same as it is now.

Bloodst0ne
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.03 02:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio
Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.


but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..

and love your sig btw ^_^


yes on paper they are indeed nice.. try fitting one and they seem.. well crappy. Without a doubt I would say it is in the bottom 3 hacs

Sovereign533
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.03 13:42:00 - [14]
 

wow, i didn't knew this.. i don't fly gallante..
thanks for explanation Wink i now know i'm not going to train for the Deimos anymore..

OhMyGodess
Caldari
Posted - 2006.08.03 13:46:00 - [15]
 

i think new bonus is kinda sexy, in theory at least. Very Happy

Nahia Senne
Initium Malum
Posted - 2006.08.03 16:43:00 - [16]
 

does this mean deimos will finally be able to get in range and actually kill something?

please also boost the grid abit so i can actually fit it aswell ^^

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.08.03 16:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio
Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.


but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..

and love your sig btw ^_^


With MWD active only the Caldari HACs are slower.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.08.03 17:11:00 - [18]
 


Im wondering how minmatar ships are supposed to keep their range from the blasterboats if all gallente ships suddenly become faster and more agile?

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.03 18:22:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

Im wondering how minmatar ships are supposed to keep their range from the blasterboats if all gallente ships suddenly become faster and more agile?

I'm with the opinion that a blasterboat should be faster when using mwd than the equivalent minmatar ship, meaning it has less top speed but also less mass/more agility,.

That way the get-to-range bit of the fight will be ok for the blasterboat, while the minmatar would be more able to dictate range without using the mwd.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.08.03 18:31:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dal Denai
Just a curious thought, if Tux and Hammer recognize that a MWD cap bonus is rather trashy, changing it to the suggested mass redux bonus, which looks rather nice, is it probable to see the bonus on other ships like the Thorax, Deimos, Vigilant, etc. changedQuestion

Highly unlikely, but in some of those cases needed. Especially the Deimos needs that one ('though it'd mean the Thorax'd have it's bonus changed which I don't think is too much of a problem now that it can't sprout quite as many drones)

Nyxus
Amarr
Fat J
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.08.03 18:47:00 - [21]
 

As much as I like to hear about matari dying left and right, I think the mass reduction will create mass Hyperbonds. Not something I want to see. HUGE close range dps + HUGE speeds means everything else will be complete crap by comparison.

I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom and it would provide nice symmetry of bonuses to the Tier 3

Caldari - 25% shield res
Amarr - 25% armor res
Gallente - 30% armor boost
Matari - 30% shield boost

Nyxus

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.08.03 18:50:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2006 18:50:33
Originally by: Nyxus

I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom




Except everyone hates it, and Tuxford is considering changing it. Its different though, since the Hyperion is not supposed to be a fleet ship.

Xoduse
Gallente
Beasts of Burden
Posted - 2006.08.03 19:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Nyxus
As much as I like to hear about matari dying left and right, I think the mass reduction will create mass Hyperbonds. Not something I want to see. HUGE close range dps + HUGE speeds means everything else will be complete crap by comparison.

I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom and it would provide nice symmetry of bonuses to the Tier 3

Caldari - 25% shield res
Amarr - 25% armor res
Gallente - 30% armor boost
Matari - 30% shield boost

Nyxus



7.5% at BS level V would be 37.5% bonus to shield and armor tanking


 

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