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Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:44:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.



As one of the more 'veteran' players in GoonSwarm, I can say that I've been around for a while and followed the politics.

I use to like BoB and respected them for their ability to create what they did.

Now I see their egos and hypocracy and have since lost all respect for them.

Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
the undivided
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:51:00 - [212]
 

First off I never have and never will care much for alliances in general, never mind politics.

But theres a lot of claims all GS are losing in frigs and noob ships Rolling Eyes Looking through the killboards im pretty certain thats just not true in any way or form. Unless of course BoB pilots can be bothered to forge killmails of cruisers etc EmbarassedWink

But to all sides in this, Have fun and gl. Thats what this games supposed to be about WinkTwisted Evil

Alliaanna

Tiggus Maximus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:55:00 - [213]
 

How are they going to eradicate GS from Eve exactly, I must have missed this part.

I mean come on, I've been ratting and mining in Syndicate since they moved in(to one system). Sure I can't go to SU(oh no!), how will I ever manage there are only 500 other stations in Syndicate, laugh.

This whole thing has been really quite fun, I've made a lot of new friends and had a good time, sort of thing that unites a corp really, not breaks it apart.

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:57:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Trac3rt
You cannot tell me what to do within this game.


That's right.
However, there's a difference between tell and force.

Little reminder..
Originally by: Remedial
We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be a part of this.

Which one you have? Yes?

Quite frankly, you have been forced to leave the place you once called "yours" and you got forced to leave the place you tried to conquer. Tough luck. Have fun spinning your ship at the station.

Mulletstation
Minmatar
Havoc Inc
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:02:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: fuze
BoB doesn't need excuses to fight wars. RL related sick jokes should stay outgame IMHO.
I just think that BoB/D2 are laying it on too thick atm. Goonies didn't became the anti-christ overnight. They might deserve some whoopass but calling them a cancer and disease is just over the top (heck even when you know some RL peeps suffering from C you'd use those word more wisely).

Goonies shouldn't think a 5 year or so old community has problems when a new group storms in and doesn't respect the 'social rules'. They simply will get into trouble like they are now. (Even if they didn't dec themselves the would be decced anyway)
And hopefully goonies will self-clense the're group and throw out the rotten apples so the appletree doesn't get cut down. Hopefully your brawling adventurous fun loving spirit will remain in game without the negativism you're credited for atm.

This post only reflects my personal oppinion and not of my corp and alliance.


This is exactly my view at the moment. I'm glad someone that isn't involved has this view and can see through both side's spin.

Alberta
Gallente
Wayne Solutions Amalgamated
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:05:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Trac3rt
On Topic Summary:

- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly.
- BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills
- Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!

The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!

You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.


Seriously, read that bit in bold and have a think about it.

Not sure what I'm on about? Go back and read Molle's posts on the subject, count up the words in them. Then come back and count the words in the single post of yours I've quoted. Compare them.

Now read that bit in bold again and have a think about it.

Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:06:00 - [217]
 

Guys, do you see what's happening here? Both BoB and GS are flaming each other, with other corps weighing in. Both corps are trolling and and playing the "we're right, you're wrong" card and it's coming to a level of immaturity which would only typically be seen in a FYAD thread.

There are a lot of different things here which have blown this incident WAY out of proporation, the first of which is BoB's willingness to publicly announce and drag the situation around with them on the EVE-O boards. Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for. This is all long in the past and the hatred now is not because of the comments or sigs that were made, but now it is because EVERYONE IN ANY CORP IN EVE WANTS TO FLAME EACH OTHER.

This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads. "I used to respect GoonSwarm" is not a card to be played, because we all know how much EVE respected us and how they "enjoyed" our presence. Sure we had some support when we invaded XZH, but that was short lived.

For the love of God people, can we grow up? Goons, Brothers, and Mercanaries and every non-involved corporation/alliance needs to stop the flaming, chest-beating and every other ego-driven reply that is coming. This is sheer stupidity as to this war, nothing short of stupidity.

CitzNo 097864
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:07:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Alberta
Originally by: Trac3rt
On Topic Summary:

- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly.
- BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills
- Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!

The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!

You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.


Seriously, read that bit in bold and have a think about it.

Not sure what I'm on about? Go back and read Molle's posts on the subject, count up the words in them. Then come back and count the words in the single post of yours I've quoted. Compare them.

Now read that bit in bold again and have a think about it.


No.

Goodbye.

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:08:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Calenth
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.



Oh get off your pedestal, you of all people. You've compared goons to terrorists, posted personal threats .. . by any standard at all, your posts have been in every way as shameful as the worst that anyone in Goonfleet has posted. IN fact, i'm pretty sure several of your posts have actually violated the TOS -- personal threats, statements of intent to "purge" goons from the entire game, etc.

Your response, as posted above, is that we should "deal with it." Why should treat you with any respect, when you yourself act so despicably?


Bull ****.

I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:

"Choosing"

to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.

I challenge you to show ANYWHERE where I've made a personal threat, or compared you to terrorist (Responding to YOUR arguments that use Terrorists as examples do not count, and even in those I don't compare you to terrorist, but I'm sure you'd try and twist words given half a chance, as you've already shown a habit for....).

BlackRain
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:12:00 - [220]
 

What I'd like to see is less posting and more fighting. Please.

Cyleth
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:13:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: CitzNo 097864

I wanna be e-cool, please.



Fixed.

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:15:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: CitzNo 097864
No.

Goodbye.
Oh god, it's not personal, is it?

Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:24:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Cyleth
Originally by: Trac3rt
You cannot tell me what to do within this game.


That's right.
However, there's a difference between tell and force.


You are right. You cannot force me to do anything either.

You cannot force me to act the way you want, or say what you like, and you sure as hell cannot force me to quit this game. Which is your goal, correct?

Originally by: Cyleth

Little reminder..
Originally by: Remedial
We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be a part of this.

Which one you have? Yes?

Quite frankly, you have been forced to leave the place you once called "yours" and you got forced to leave the place you tried to conquer. Tough luck. Have fun spinning your ship at the station.


Syndicate is still ours, we have not left or abandoned it. I really don't understand your point.

CitzNo 097864
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:25:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot

Bull ****.

I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:

"Choosing"

to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.

I challenge you to show ANYWHERE where I've made a personal threat, or compared you to terrorist (Responding to YOUR arguments that use Terrorists as examples do not count, and even in those I don't compare you to terrorist, but I'm sure you'd try and twist words given half a chance, as you've already shown a habit for....).



Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?

It's very clearly not a personal war, but a fantastic effort to make GoonSwarm seem like the bad guy, and it worked

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:26:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Guys, do you see what's happening here? Both BoB and GS are flaming each other, with other corps weighing in. Both corps are trolling and and playing the "we're right, you're wrong" card and it's coming to a level of immaturity which would only typically be seen in a FYAD thread.

There are a lot of different things here which have blown this incident WAY out of proporation, the first of which is BoB's willingness to publicly announce and drag the situation around with them on the EVE-O boards. Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for. This is all long in the past and the hatred now is not because of the comments or sigs that were made, but now it is because EVERYONE IN ANY CORP IN EVE WANTS TO FLAME EACH OTHER.

This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads. "I used to respect GoonSwarm" is not a card to be played, because we all know how much EVE respected us and how they "enjoyed" our presence. Sure we had some support when we invaded XZH, but that was short lived.

For the love of God people, can we grow up? Goons, Brothers, and Mercanaries and every non-involved corporation/alliance needs to stop the flaming, chest-beating and every other ego-driven reply that is coming. This is sheer stupidity as to this war, nothing short of stupidity.
While I respect your maturity, your post is horrifically biased. For example, you've stated that GS and BoB are both flaming each other. Please, point out any BoB posts that are directly flaming GS, and do the same with GS. I'm sure you'll find the number difference to be quite...enlightening.

Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.

Just for fun, tell me how many posts by GS have accused people of using the...incident against them in every thread, versus the number of times they've actually been accused of it outside of the actual threads regarding it.

Anti Derivative
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:27:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot


I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:

"Choosing"

to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.


I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.

Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:30:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: CitzNo 097864
Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?


No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and ******ed is a problem specific to GoonSwarm.

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:34:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot


I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:

"Choosing"

to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.


I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.


I'm not dictating.

You're being held responsible for your decision.

Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).

Furnok Dorn
Caldari
Dereliction of Duty
Bad Company.
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:37:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Originally by: CitzNo 097864
Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?


No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and ******ed is a problem specific to GoonSwarm.


That statement is so mind-bendingly ignorant I don't even know where to start.

CitzNo 097864
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:38:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Originally by: CitzNo 097864
Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?


No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and ******ed is a problem specific to GoonSwarm.


My post wasn't about if it would happen or not, try again.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:44:00 - [231]
 

heheVery Happy

/me gets the popcorn and read further...


Nevvy
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 14:54:00 - [232]
 

As a quick aside first because the forums don't want me to stay logged in and that prevent me from finding the quotes. Someone accused goons of hypocrisy and blaming lag for losing or some such. In this same thread D2 people have chest beat about how they lost dreads to lag and how they kicked us out of cloudring. Differences between module lag and the 8 hour server meltdown aside, either d2 lost dreads to lag and we left xzh because of server meltdown stopping our counterstroke (plus a little bit of BoB), or we killed D2's dreads legitimately and they legitimately POS spammed with their superior economy. The difference between D2 and goon chest beating over either version of this is that D2 is one of the most powerful alliances in the game and we are all nubs, to exaggerate slightly. Nonetheless chestbeating is silly for either side.

As for the BoBvsGoons and no respect and etc. Most of us really don't care. We are having fun in our spaceship game. We are fighting left and right and the best mercenary corp in the game is jumping in on our side to help. The trolls troll because they enjoy it, and you feeding them doesn't really bother most of us. I hope to BLAM BLAM and BOOM BOOM some of you soon, sadly Minmatar ships do not PEW PEW very well.



Anti Derivative
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:01:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot

I'm not dictating.

You're being held responsible for your decision.

Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).


If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims.
Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.

Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:06:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I'm not dictating.

You're being held responsible for your decision.

Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).



So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:11:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
...

If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims.
Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.


Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
...


So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?


They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that?

Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:12:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot


I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:

"Choosing"

to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.


I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.


I'm not dictating.

You're being held responsible for your decision.

Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).



Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?

I really want to know what you were smoking when you made that post!

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:14:00 - [237]
 

I could really say something about BoB's actions here that remind me of something in history but I'm pretty sure I would get banned for using the comparison.

Furnok Dorn
Caldari
Dereliction of Duty
Bad Company.
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:15:00 - [238]
 

Listen, the only way to settle this is through a kickboxing tournament Rolling Eyes

Anti Derivative
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:17:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Anille Kole
They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that?

Where did you find any indication that we didn't understand this?

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 15:18:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Grayton

So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?


Thing is though, in Eve it doesn't matter who is right, all that matters is who is left.


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