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Shimpu
Caldari
Sensory Overload
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:56:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Shimpu on 02/08/2006 11:56:30
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Shimpu
Edited by: Shimpu on 01/08/2006 23:36:25
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: SaorAlba
Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II
3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds

So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:

  • Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system

  • Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.

  • Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.

  • Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.

  • Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.


So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?


Who's your daddy!? Face it... you ran against a wall and don't even have somewhere to go after your defeat except empire. Embarassed
I hope you achieve more 'great' victories like this Laughing


I just bookmarked this post so that I can make you eat these words at some future point Razz


Originally by: Remedial
We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be
a part of this.


Yeah, bookmarking stuff and quoting it for later use is pretty awesome Laughing

anubis 2
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:00:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
If that had been the only occurance, you'd have a point.

However, from the first day that this whole thing flared up, the incident has been being deliberately, willfully and knowingly repeated by multiple Goons. And folks wonder why we tossed the so-called apology back in the faces of the goons.

If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.

The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.



This "incident" was brought up four months later to coincide with a major operation,
it was essentially a troll on BoB's part.

Rather than 0 tolerance, BoB has been shown to have 0 class in this respect, and no manner of analogies will justify this.

Kesslar Znel
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:03:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Kesslar Znel on 02/08/2006 12:04:12
Originally by: Avon

Goons make this even harder by having so many contradictory views, making almost any thread they post in become confusing and seemingly hypocritical.


There are 2500 of us, and we're not bound together by policy, but by shared culture. That's one of the things that I think many goons find so frustrating about this whole mess, and why it's going to take more than a gatecamp to disband the Swarm. It's network warfare and this is a strategic bombing campaign.

(I'm goonfleet, my ticker just isnt' showing.)

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:18:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Avon
When they take a step forward, they tell us how well they are doing. How great their accomplishments, especially for a bunch of noobs.

When they get puched back, their opponents are crowing over meaningless victories in an internet space game. It doesn't matter.

When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
QFT. Although, I'd like to add that, on the forums, anyone who makes a reasonable post against them is either trolling, pushing their higher SP on them, or e-whining about e-stuff that e-happens in e-internet e-games.

Originally by: Dreiden Kisada
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:14:24
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:13:02
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:10:51
Originally by: Sergeant Spot

Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.

Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.



Sense when are we beholden to any other alliance for the way we act and speak? You are not the devs, you are not the GMs. You are a collection of players who for one reason or another find eachother's company best suited for their game play. We dont sit around the forums complaining about how You, or Them, or any other alliance doesn't act the way we act, or the way we want them to act.

Newsflash Sergeant. You dont get to make the rules. "Behave better"? You've got to be kidding me. BoB forum warriors in general, and you in particular the last person to lecture another on how the "proper" way to behave is. Every post on these forums i've seen from you the last week has either alluded to, or is directly, insulting pilots in Goonswarm.

Edit: Also edit is beeing really really funny.
I guess you're missing the point. You're right, BoB and everyone else that doesn't like you aren't GMs, but that doesn't make their opinions absolutely worthless. I guess because, well, this is an MMO. Realize that his means interaction with other players. Contrary to what you seem to be saying, GS whines constantly about other alliances act. Whining about how BoB is doing something or other, and saying D2 backstabs everyone, I guess, just doesn't show up on your hypocritical radar.

I've looked at BoB threads, and they aren't anywhere near as bad as GS threads after the main-posting rule was lifted. This thread is a prime example. Notice the sheer amount of flaming and spam coming from GS? I'm guessing you aren't because, to you, anything GS does was warranted, whereas a post by a D2 or BoB member is trolling if they point out practically anything you've done horrifically wrong in your history.

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:20:00 - [185]
 

Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.

Kinda cool............ Smile

Shrike
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:23:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.

Kinda cool............ Smile



So, how would you like to be paid? As agreed or other means?

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:29:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.



Oh get off your pedestal, you of all people. You've compared goons to terrorists, posted personal threats .. . by any standard at all, your posts have been in every way as shameful as the worst that anyone in Goonfleet has posted. IN fact, i'm pretty sure several of your posts have actually violated the TOS -- personal threats, statements of intent to "purge" goons from the entire game, etc.

Your response, as posted above, is that we should "deal with it." Why should treat you with any respect, when you yourself act so despicably?

Ultrabug
Minmatar
Morne Attitude
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:31:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.

Kinda cool............ Smile


\o/ TuRtLe HeAd \o/

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:32:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.

Lots of kills, but ultimately futile as it's impossible to permanently kill all of them?

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?

DANGEROUS
Gallente
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:33:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Remedial
I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ****ing WarCraft III or StarCraft theyíre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canít win on their terms they donít want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donít play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyíre not good enough by ****ing camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.


How ironic.



How inaccurate



OMG i am quoting a blacklight post - -

OMG what have these goons DONE to us all - -

OMG - next we will be having tea and coffee together outside their few remaining strongholds!!!


SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:35:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:40:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.


Interesting.

You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along?

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
No.
I think I can say fairly confidently that the only way you're going to make any of us leave Eve is by being such a sad, manipulative, generalising, nerd raging bigot that we no longer want to be seen in the same game as you.

If that's your idea of victory then so be it.

Have you yet answered the point raised a couple of days ago, that Tetsujin may have known the "victim" of the joke that you chose to misunderstand for political purposes?

Nira Li
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.


Interesting.

You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along?


Driving goons out of 0.0 and eradicate from EVE them are two different things.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 12:46:48
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.


Interesting.

You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along?


Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:48:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Avon

Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:55:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon

Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.


Pretty sure I didn't say that.
It is, however, our goal.

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:56:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon

Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
You're the only one making the claim.

Nifel
Caldari
PAX Technologies
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:56:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon

Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.


We've already told them.

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 12:59:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 13:01:58
Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon

Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.


Quote:
You're the only one making the claim.


Quote:
Pretty sure I didn't say that.
It is, however, our goal.


Quote:
We've already told them.


Haha, you guys really need to get your story straight.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:00:00 - [201]
 

How can you pay to ***** forums for about 10 years, do it excessively and then still be this bad at reading them and using them to your own advantage?

This almost defies belief.

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:02:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Herberge
It is, however, our goal.



The only people that need to get anything "straight" are the ceos.

We all represent BoB, but only they represent our intentions.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Crivens
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:03:00 - [203]
 

Edited by: Crivens on 02/08/2006 13:06:30
Originally by: Sergeant Spot


If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.




But that's not what happened. A better analogy would be that our dumb kid dumped trash on your lawn. Four months later, your dad exploded and threatened to murder our extended family in our sleep.

Our violent scouse cousins, hearing of this threat, came over to where your family lived and started to cause trouble in the neighbourhood, whilst the majority of our family shook their heads sadly.

Our daddy apologised, and spanked the little kid and even disowned him from the family.
Your daddy insisted that this was not enough, - was "to little to late" and that he would still kill us all. Our daddy then got angry, and told your daddy to bring it. And also that your daddy was a poo-poo head.

The vocal parts of our family now goes to local council meetings ranting and raving about your family - and now we are where we are.

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:09:00 - [204]
 

Actually we didn't do anything nasty back to BoB (i.e. scouse cousins) until after they rejected the apology, which was indeed sincere.

Crivens
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:11:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Herberge
Actually we didn't do anything nasty back to BoB (i.e. scouse cousins) until after they rejected the apology, which was indeed sincere.



Some people were defending Ten, and I wanted to paint us in the worst possible light.

Swinton Wolsoncroft
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:13:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Fred0
How can you pay to ***** forums for about 10 years, do it excessively and then still be this bad at reading them and using them to your own advantage?

This almost defies belief.


We have a difficult time working the internet (in space), please bare with us.

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:15:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Crivens
Edited by: Crivens on 02/08/2006 13:06:30
Originally by: Sergeant Spot


If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.




And that's what happened. A better analogy would be that our entire family dumped trash on your lawn and called you poo-poo heads. After four months of doing this and an insult to your dad's friend, your dad got angry and decided to fight us.

Our violent scouse cousins, hearing of this threat, came over to where your family lived and started to cause trouble in the neighbourhood, whilst the majority of our family shook their heads sadly. [I have no idea what this means, so I'm not changing it.]

Our daddy never apologised, and spanked his children happily and tried to disown one from the family after he personally offended your dad.
Your daddy insisted that this was not enough, - was "too little too late" and that he would still kill us all because we were being jerks. Our daddy then got angry, and told your daddy to bring it. And also that your daddy was a poo-poo head.

The moderately ******ed parts of our family now goes to local council meetings ranting and raving about your family - and now we are where we are.


Fixed.

Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:16:00 - [208]
 

On Topic Summary:

- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly.
- BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills
- Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!

The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!

You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:17:00 - [209]
 

BoB doesn't need excuses to fight wars. RL related sick jokes should stay outgame IMHO.
I just think that BoB/D2 are laying it on too thick atm. Goonies didn't became the anti-christ overnight. They might deserve some whoopass but calling them a cancer and disease is just over the top (heck even when you know some RL peeps suffering from C you'd use those word more wisely).

Goonies shouldn't think a 5 year or so old community has problems when a new group storms in and doesn't respect the 'social rules'. They simply will get into trouble like they are now. (Even if they didn't dec themselves the would be decced anyway)
And hopefully goonies will self-clense the're group and throw out the rotten apples so the appletree doesn't get cut down. Hopefully your brawling adventurous fun loving spirit will remain in game without the negativism you're credited for atm.

This post only reflects my personal oppinion and not of my corp and alliance.

CitzNo 097864
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:32:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena

Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?


No.




What a ****ing badass.


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