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Yorda
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:52:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 08:53:04
Originally by: Blacklight
How ironic.
Pro Troll+++ Would respond to troll again.

[The text you've selected from a motivational speech has nothing to do with S-U, your corp or this thread.]

Ranstaton
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:54:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Ranstaton on 02/08/2006 09:12:17
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Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:54:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Cohkka
Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?

You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).

You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it...


Mostly true...

But even in the case of Burn Eden, its merely the "attack only weak targets" reputation they have, not so much how they are viewed as people.

Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)

Then the incident happened.

If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.

------------------------
But at about the same time they were doing those above "proper" things, other Goons were "repeating" the incident.
------------------------

Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.

Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:59:00 - [154]
 

Agreed.

So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?



Nahual
Gallente
NibbleTek
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:02:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Agreed.

So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?





We're trying to play with GS in orvolle and that area today but they mostly just dock/stab-nano setup and dont fight at all. Could be coz there is bob, d2, iron, axe on the same GS killmails, but im not sure. The VCBee alts are plentyful thou!

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:03:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: deadtear
Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Stuff


You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.




Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?


Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.

But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?

Dreiden Kisada
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:04:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:14:24
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:13:02
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:10:51
Originally by: Sergeant Spot

Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.

Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.



Sense when are we beholden to any other alliance for the way we act and speak? You are not the devs, you are not the GMs. You are a collection of players who for one reason or another find eachother's company best suited for their game play. We dont sit around the forums complaining about how You, or Them, or any other alliance doesn't act the way we act, or the way we want them to act.

Newsflash Sergeant. You dont get to make the rules. "Behave better"? You've got to be kidding me. BoB forum warriors in general, and you in particular the last person to lecture another on how the "proper" way to behave is. Every post on these forums i've seen from you the last week has either alluded to, or is directly, insulting pilots in Goonswarm.

Edit: Also edit is beeing really really funny.

Yorda
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:04:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
There has been many a frigate flung at BoB forces. Rumor has it it keeps them from logging off out of sheer boredom.

As far as I can tell, "nope"

deadtear
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:06:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: deadtear
Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Stuff


You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.




Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?


Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.

But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?


What dear leader says and what we all think are different things, but I agree there is...some irony in the statement. Fortunately I can see the difference between EvE and reality and play for fun. Unfortunately, the most fun I can have right now is trying to drive BoB out. Really not even BoB as a whole. The majority of them didnt start this, just like the majority of GS didnt start the "incident".

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:07:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.

But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?


Apparently I'm a troll for bringing it up though and has nothing to do with my corp or alliance, the Goons incessant hypocritical whining must be directed at someone else then, silly me.

Yorda
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:08:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 09:10:00
Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 09:09:12
Originally by: Blacklight
Apparently I'm a troll for bringing it up though and has nothing to do with my corp or alliance, the Goons incessant hypocritical whining must be directed at someone else then, silly me.
So you're camping S-U till we quit eve then? Because that is the only way it could be related to this thread.


Dreiden Kisada
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:10:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:10:19
Bah damnit edit somehow became reply. Ignore.

Yorda
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:14:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Herberge
:words:
Pretty off-topic don't you think?

I am going to make a thread called "Why I hate Goonswarm" so we can keep all these other topics on topic.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:14:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/08/2006 09:15:34
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Agreed.

So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?





Nope,

They are running around like headless chickens getting chained all over the place.

We're still chaining them in S-U.

The rest of eve are chaining them in empire.

There doesn't seem to be any fcs, control or leadership in any part of their alliance.

I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.

dbp

deadtear
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:15:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Agreed.

So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?





Nope,

They are running around like headless chickens getting chained all over the place.

We're still chaining them in S-U.

The rest of eve are chaining them in empire.

There doesn't seem to be any fcs, control or leadership in any part of their alliance.

dbp



You uh, you know we enjoy suiciding right?
Stop spamming dbp please. -Ivan K

Miram Teldarin
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:24:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Some BoB Guy

I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.



Awesome. =D

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:25:00 - [167]
 

LoLz , Mr Preacher I do beleive that was an Excellent analagy.

I think mutual war should take place ! (if it hasn't already)

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:49:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 02/08/2006 10:32:01
Originally by: Moab Nos

Out of Context stuff



Quoting out of Context...

As I stated in the original thread, LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict) is designed to help non-combatants get AWAY from battle. If someone "chooses" to move TOWARDS battle, they have only themselves to Blame if they get hurt or dead, be they Christain, Muslim, Hindu or whatever.

Now if you are talking about folks that made no CHOICE, that is for a different topic. You have no quote from me on that.

If YOU don't like the examples above, then YOU should not have used them when asking me a question (something else you don't seem to be placing here, more out of context quoting)

I stand by my words. Deal with it.

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.08.02 09:57:00 - [169]
 

Please post with your corporation and/or alliance ticker shown according to the rules for this forum. Untill you do your posts will be removed. -Ivan K

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 10:17:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 02/08/2006 10:30:35
Originally by: Moab Nos

Out of Context Stuff



Quoting out of Context...

As I stated in the original thread, LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict) is designed to help non-combatants get AWAY from battle. If someone "chooses" to move TOWARDS battle, they have only themselves to Blame if they get hurt or dead, be they Christain, Muslim, Hindu or whatever.

Now if you are talking about folks that made no CHOICE, that is for a different topic. You have no quote from me on that.

If YOU don't like the examples above, then YOU should not have used them when asking me a question (something else you don't seem to be placing here, more out of context quoting)

I stand by my words. Deal with it.

Eolais
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 10:46:00 - [171]
 

oh god an argument on the INTERNET

WHO will WIN?

Ivan Kirilenkov


Caldari
ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2006.08.02 10:51:00 - [172]
 

Thread cleaned. Please refrain from bringing real-life politics, be they past or present, and/or religion into the discussion. Also removed quite a few trolling posts and posts who were in reference to said posts. Please keep it on a calm, polite and constructive level.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 10:52:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 10:56:17
Originally by: Azaeren

Not only are you breaking the rules for posting links to images of the head leader of germany during WW2<it edits out the "H" word> and a crappy photoshop, but Swaffer sure must be getting sad at that picture being posted of him losing his dread to noobies in t1 frigates.


That post may have broken the Forum Rules, but only because it links to exploits.

Goons cheat.

Just because the GM's can't scan the local cache folder does not make it legitimate.

I would love for CCP to do a one off patch, which included a sanity checker for the cache info, and ban without warning, anyone using this exploit.


Also, here is why I personally have moved from a pro-goon to an anti-goon position.

When they take a step forward, they tell us how well they are doing. How great their accomplishments, especially for a bunch of noobs.

When they get puched back, their opponents are crowing over meaningless victories in an internet space game. It doesn't matter.

When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.

Mostly though, I pity the goons. Remedial will be their undoing.
Not only is he a meglomanic (as the famous 'secret' goon power struggle showed), but he tries to embody something from RL which has no place in Eve.
He twists his membership in ways which are so obvious to outside observers, and they lap it up like thirsty dogs.

The goons, even with their SA background, could have found a place in Eve, but I fear Remedial has put that out of their reach.

Their great leader will be their undoing.

Of course, they will just write that off as BoB propaganda trying to cause internal divides.
It isn't, it is my honest view.
However, maybe internal strife may yet be the thing that saves rather than ends the Goons. Maybe those who can see that all is not as it could be can still make something of the situation.
Although, alas, I fear it may be already too late in the day.


Added: Ivan Kirilenkov - this was written before you moderated the thread. I am happy for you to edit out anything you feel is inappropriate.

Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:08:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Treylis on 02/08/2006 11:10:38
Originally by: Avon
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.


Yes, we were really lagging out the system ourselves with equal or lesser numbers. Although I feel that some of your other points have a varying degree of merit these two in particular irritate me to no end--particularly when people are making claims like "drones have no combat usage" apart from creating lag.

I don't like sitting there waiting minutes for modules to activate. Nobody else does, either, and particularly nobody in Goonfleet--hell, that's why I simply attempt to avoid large fleet combat in favor of solo or small-scale PVP.

EDIT:

I think that the reason why things have been so adversarial on the forums is because we've been getting constantly flamed for months and months, and now that we can respond without being fined, there's a lot of resentment built up. It's unfortunate and I believe that things will cool down with time.

Yeep
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:11:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Avon
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.


10-60 second module lag (in the first instance) is unfortunately part of large scale pvp in eve right now. 4-8 hour lag (the second instance) is rare and a sign of a horribly broken system but well done spinning two vastly different situations, neither of which you were present for, in your favour.

Crivens
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:15:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Cohkka
Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?

You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).

You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it...


Mostly true...

But even in the case of Burn Eden, its merely the "attack only weak targets" reputation they have, not so much how they are viewed as people.

Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)

Then the incident happened.

If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.

------------------------
But at about the same time they were doing those above "proper" things, other Goons were "repeating" the incident.
------------------------

Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.

Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.


Xaes
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:19:00 - [177]
 

Quote:
Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)

Then the incident happened.

If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.


The "incident" in question took place well in the past. You still continued to like goons for quite some time afterword.

Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 10:56:17
Originally by: Azaeren


Goons cheat.


When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.



And if you think goons cheat you are sadly mistaken. But, if blaming anything that goes right for Goons on Lag, or cheating, or whatever makes you feel better, go right ahead and believe it. I won't stop you.

When D2 whined about losing due to "lag" they where talking about your standrd 'Oh hey, it takes 5 seconds to do anything for everybody lag'.

The XZH lag was 'Oh hey, it takes several hours for anything to happen'.


There is an acceptable level of lag in a game, people understand that when there is a large fleet battle the ping times will be up and things will not be perfectly smooth. That however does not excuse several hour long server "hic-ups", with side effects go on for several days.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:31:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Avon
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.

When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.


10-60 second module lag (in the first instance) is unfortunately part of large scale pvp in eve right now. 4-8 hour lag (the second instance) is rare and a sign of a horribly broken system but well done spinning two vastly different situations, neither of which you were present for, in your favour.


The point is, the differences between the situations don't matter.
It is about how the Goons portray themselves.

If I am not present, I can only go by what I read here, and hear in game.

The Goons are bad at propoganda, as this thread clearly shows, and have no concept of how much the forums influence external public opinion.

I'm not saying that forum propoganda is a good thing, or that it is a fair way to judge people, but that is what people do.

If my opinions do not reflect accurately the truth of the situation, maybe the problem is not with me, but with what I read.

Goons make this even harder by having so many contradictory views, making almost any thread they post in become confusing and seemingly hypocritical.

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:42:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Xaes

The "incident" in question took place well in the past. You still continued to like goons for quite some time afterword.



If that had been the only occurance, you'd have a point.

However, from the first day that this whole thing flared up, the incident has been being deliberately, willfully and knowingly repeated by multiple Goons. And folks wonder why we tossed the so-called apology back in the faces of the goons.

If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.

The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.

Crean NaVar
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 11:54:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Xaes
When D2 whined about losing due to "lag" they where talking about your standrd 'Oh hey, it takes 5 seconds to do anything for everybody lag'.


Wrong. We were talking about the 'Oh, look, I still get shot by POS guns at 16 AU after 30-40 minutes lag'.



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