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Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:10:00 - [121]
 

Well to be perfectly honest, this isn't at all about the big bad evil vets, wanting to kill the newbies since they might pose a threat to them.

Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.

I think the fact that a large portion of the community has turned against you, is in part due to your posting on these forums. At first your leadership in some very obviouse attempts at spin. Not to say that it isn't a bad thing to have your own propoganda, but the goons, for lack of a better phrase, don't do it all that well. Next came the hordes of goon posting, and some rather immature stuff. While I'm sure GF has some good members, they don't do enough to stand out from the bad ones, and people start to have ill impressions towards you as a group.

Frankly, I'm a little taken aback at how quickly goon's have gone from a liked entity, to a non liked one. Coupled with your seeminly inability to make an appology with out some sort of reservation, I can almost see why. Even some of the members behaviour in local chat, after the fact, brings questions to mind.

Now we see the goons attempting to claim this is nothing more then a bunch of veterens who want to kill the noobs. Both here and on other sites as well, or so I am told. You know the whole, "we're gaining power so the big boys want to shut us down" An arguement which frankly makes no sense to me what so ever, even if it were true. Doesn't it go against common sence to not kill your enemys when you have the chance to do so?

Have fun in your wars. But I think this is a good demenstration of how misteps on the forums can have some serious implications in game.

Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:10:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. Canít help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.


I guess you missed the "shut up anonymous goon #52309" remarks before the silence?

Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:12:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.


This is absolutely not true and anyone who is trying to claim this needs to go back and read older threads. I just did so myself to refresh my memory--I'm seeing virtually the exact same people hating Goonfleet now that did then.

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:17:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 02/08/2006 05:17:59
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. Canít help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.


I guess you missed the "shut up anonymous goon #52309" remarks before the silence?


Have you been not playing recently or something? Local talk has been allowed for weeks now.

Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Lorth
Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.


This is absolutely not true and anyone who is trying to claim this needs to go back and read older threads. I just did so myself to refresh my memory--I'm seeing virtually the exact same people hating Goonfleet now that did then.


I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:25:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 05:27:27

Originally by: CrestoftheStars
I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.


What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.

As to some wild change in public opinion: a lot of people are going to bandwagon onto whatever BoB says or does, especially when doing so serves their own interests. A lot of other people are simply afraid to post anything that might **** BoB off. If there has been any change in public opinion re: Goonfleet, I think that accounts for most of it.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:37:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Calenth

What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.

As to some wild change in public opinion: a lot of people are going to bandwagon onto whatever BoB says or does, especially when doing so serves their own interests. A lot of other people are simply afraid to post anything that might **** BoB off. If there has been any change in public opinion re: Goonfleet, I think that accounts for most of it.


The forum has been eating my posts as of late but....

Have you actually seen the stuff that BOB's enemys say about them? I doubt very highly that BOB's saying the goons are evil has changed the minds of anyone, because its BOB saying that.

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:47:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Calenth
Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 05:27:27

Originally by: CrestoftheStars
I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.


What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.


I remember that post and it is not the one I am refering to.

Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:57:00 - [128]
 

I can't imagine I'm the only one who still remembers the way GF was treated here when NSN was sicced on us.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 06:06:00 - [129]
 

Band of Brothers . . . Hypocracy at its best.

Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 06:07:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk on 02/08/2006 06:10:29
This is why I thought the 'no posting in the alliance subforums' rule was great. Noone in the fleet posted here (aside from a few ******ed GS alts), and as such noone cared about what was posted here regarding us. Now the proverbial floodgates have been opened, and everyone in GS with an opinion feels to need to rant about it and call our enemies names. Then they wait around and spam f5 to see how our enemies flame us in return. This in turn seemingly demands a reply flame, and the cycle continues.

It is my opinion, and my opinion alone, that nearly everyone here needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Our enemies need to stop dragging up incidents that are more than a year old, and we need to stop playing the "WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY WE ARE GOONS" card. If you are as indifferent as you say, ignore the flames like the rest of GS is doing and come back to EVE. Seriously, I just want to play my internet space game.

Edit: And as far as respect goes, the vast majority of us do indeed repsect what the large alliances such as BoB and D2 have accomplished. However, none have risen so high in such a short time span as we have, and a little respect in turn would be appreciated.

Herberge
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 06:19:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Herberge
Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 00:27:21
^^^Edit - wow, what a perfect example^^^

Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.


I can remember many time where there were statements of respect for worthy opponents. But in those cases the opponents earned respect and played a good game. Such fights are usually marked by a distinct lack of smack by both the defeated and the winner (A polite comment in sea of smack does not count......)


Members of the top alliances (I'm thinking particularly BoB and D2) have been smacktalking about us continually since we first made an impression on anyone, when we weren't claiming any space beyond S-U. We had no pretensions, we made no claims, but people took it upon themselves to say, over and over again, "the goons will never amount to anything". Apparently it's ok for BoB and D2 to have, say, 5% of members who are absolutely horrible smacktalking ******s, but if goonswarm has some smacktalkers in its ranks then we, meaning all two and a half thousand of us, have "no respect or humanity". I hope you'll forgive me for saying that this is double standard bull****, and that the people espousing it want the respect that flows from the barrel of a gun. They have never shown us respect as an organisation or as individuals, even before we had had any direct contact with them in game. I'm not even saying they should have said anything positive about us, just that if they want this game to be about "respect" then they could have refrained from smacktalking us when we were still confined to a small corner on the other side of the galaxy not hurting anyone.

Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
Posted - 2006.08.02 06:37:00 - [132]
 

I did respect GS

after your boss, and the GS posts that make me cry kapplaaaa

(to the goons trying to calm things down, i hope you can, if not find a home away from your smack tard pals)

Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 06:49:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Have you been not playing recently or something? Local talk has been allowed for weeks now.


I believe you misunderstood me, I was referring to the BoB silence.

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:13:00 - [134]
 

hmmm, all very interesting, Is the seige still commencing ?

I only wanted to express how my weekend of goon popping was laid to rest due to a BoB invasion, Never expected 5 pages out of this.

/me Checks Both sides killboards................

LoL Yep . The seige is still going !

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:13:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Lorth

Have fun in your wars. But I think this is a good demenstration of how misteps on the forums can have some serious implications in game.


Do you have a mirror handy?

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:23:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Do you have a mirror handy?


Whilst Lorth seems to dislike me, he is mostly fair in his evaluations of a situation.

Dyme
Caldari
Thunderbolts
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:34:00 - [137]
 

one does not simply jump into syndicate!

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:46:00 - [138]
 

link removed since it contains profanity. -Ivan K

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:50:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Dyme
one does not simply jump into syndicate!


Sadly Syndicate consists of more than just S-U8A4 (a fact that I think Goonswarm have started to appreciate.)

Syndicate has more entrances and exits into and out of empire controlled territory than I care to mention, not fogetting the Cloud ring/outer ring back doors as well.

We love the syndicate incursions.

It promotes Healthy combat situations ,which we all love and adore.

the S-U8A4 situation is not about the territory (I hope, because theres nothing there) I think its a matter of respect. But Then Only time will tell.


TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:50:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 02/08/2006 07:49:59
double clicked

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:54:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
*snip*


I know. This is what makes a mockery out of what most goons say here. The main hypocrite of this "nothing is sacred" and "we don't care about anything" culture sits at the top of their ladder.

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:57:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
*snip*


Originally by: Remedial

We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be
a part of this.



And now, not a week after this was written, they have neither. Laughing

Fortune, it seems, is a fickle mistress.

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:59:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 02/08/2006 07:59:44
Quote:
We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours


Fascinating, You Cannot keep what you have NEVER HAD.
As I have pointed out, S-U8A4 is not syndicate, theres more to a region than 1 system.


Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:05:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
blah blah blah



Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.

Emno
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:21:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".



Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.


It's most peoples reason for disliking goonswarm from what i've seen ;/

Scavok
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:23:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Emno
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".



Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.


It's most peoples reason for disliking goonswarm from what i've seen ;/


Good thing this thread is about reasons for disliking goonswarm!

TuRtLe HeAd
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:26:00 - [147]
 

I Like the way stuff has turned out/turning out.

As I obviously had to leave the system for my own saftey Was there any major offensive launched to repel the attackers ?

All I saw was the odd 3 or 4 man gang warp in and get splatted. Did Anything Further actually happen ? Any Big events etc.....

Yorda
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:40:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
I Like the way stuff has turned out/turning out.

As I obviously had to leave the system for my own saftey Was there any major offensive launched to repel the attackers ?
No and there won't be one until we're done mining enough veldspar in jita to afford battleship class hulls. (Don't hold your breath, even with barges it takes a while.)

Ps: this forum is stupid.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:48:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Remedial
I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ****ing WarCraft III or StarCraft theyíre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canít win on their terms they donít want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donít play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyíre not good enough by ****ing camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.


How ironic.

Tiberius Caesar
Caldari
Sothebys
Posted - 2006.08.02 08:52:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Wicaeed
Originally by: Xeris
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
blah blah blah



Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.


Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist ***got.


Because someone thought it would be a funny idea to give him the portrait of a certain WWII leader makes him (Remedial) a racist ***got? Rolling Eyes

You BoB guys take this game way too seriously.


Oh you mean by exploiting?

Why isn't he banned?


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