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Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.08.02 01:55:00 - [91]
 

I promised Stan that I would not get involved in a flame war with goons, so Iím only going to tell it how it is as civilized as I can.

I admit it, I always liked Goonfleet, ever since our cooperation in fighting FE, NBSI, PA with ATUK. However, in the last week, that have changed to the point that I would not mind if goons left EVE all together. Itís a shame that the few bad apples can ruin reputation and gaming experience of all of the good people in Goonswarm. Itís not even the sig that caused all the trouble, because I understand, not condone itís use on goons private forums. Itís the rubbish that the rest of EVE had to listen to for the last week on EVE forums that caused my feelings about goons to change.

A little friendly advise to goons leadership. Reel in the trolls and the kiddies that continue to post crap on the forums, because in RL they donít have the guts to say the same disrespectful things to peoples face and have to hide behind a computer screen to feel tough. All is not lost yet. Fight with honor and respect and you shall receive the same from your opponents. Otherwise, as we are already seeing, the rest of EVE will turn against you and I donít mean BoB, D2 etc, I mean ALL of EVE will make this game unplayable for you because of the conduct of few idiots.

If itís goons leadership that is fueling this, then itís up to itís members to recognize and correct the problem. EVE members have a very long memory when it comes to forum wars. Targets for wars are usually picked not as much by actions in game, but by big mouths on the forums and it will follow goons for the rest of their existence in EVE and maybe even beyond. Donít let that happened, because I know that goons are better then that. Now, all you have to do is prove it and maybe you can earn the respect back. Itís not about EVE politics, itís about human respect for the game that makes all of us gamers feel like a community. Donít ruin it, because in the end, we are all same kind of people that would have a blast if we could meet in RL and have a beer together in a pub discussing EVE. We all make mistakes, but it takes a bigger men to admit when they are wrong. Donít become the outsiders.

Ilvari
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:02:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: ProphetGuru
PG-With people like Siddy in BoB, this is actually not a problem.


The funny thing is you think this is something to be proud of when someone has nothing better going on with their life other than sitting in front of their computer for 16 hours straight every day, watching a stargate for activations.

And no, you don't need to answer to this, I already know you have supermodels giving you massages while you camp stargates, and that your 3 girlfriends are ok with it since no man can pleasure them as well as you anyway Wink

Kai Jyokoroi
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:03:00 - [93]
 

Aside from the fact that I don't have anything to do with this region or this fight, I think this thread is funny because of the way the goonies amusing offhand comments have made BoB, D2 et al fall hook line and sinker into getting outraged and spouting off that The Goons are nerds and space-trash.

In case you've forgotten, guys, they're from Something Awful. SOMETHING AWFUL, ffs! Griefing people in any form is pretty much their modus operandi. Do you think any of them care at all about anything any of you do to them?

I mean, srsly. Rolling Eyes

Caesar Galactus
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:09:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
blah blah internet respect blah blah "Donít become the outsiders."



Bull****. Goons have been outsiders ever since they started to have an influence on Eve. The moment the cirle-jerking old boys' club in 0.0 noticed that Goonfleet's swarms were a threat to them the threads, flames, and accusations began. At that point we were all muzzled and couldn't respond in kind, but that ended recently and we could finally speak up and defend ourselves from all the ***** that you forum monkeys throw around. The "respect" you and veterans speak of is nothing but the desire for other corporations to fellate the powers-that-be.

Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:12:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 02:12:35
I have to agree with Metal Dude on the fact that many conflicts that arise in EVE are because of the forum talk and not so much EVE-Universe politics. In my personal opinion anything on this intergalatic discussion board should be taken as fodder, because anyone and everyone can easily make a post and everyone will automatically assume that it reflects EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in that corp. This is a sad fact of this forum.

However, there is more than just forum talk which has lead to the GS-BoB conflict, most of which is far above me as I am merely a few months old in those universe. In this conflict, the "facts" is what has been disgustingly diluted and manipulated by the arrogance and misrepresentation of others and those individuals who wish to see the Goons under constant pressure and attack. I would even go so far as to say that perhaps, and this is merely my own speculation, that these actions have been put in motion by those outside of GoonSwarm and the Band of Brothers. An opportunity presented itself for the BoB leadership to be enraged by the actions of "Goons" and a decision was made for others to make small jabs, individually unaffecting, but together in the situation of the times: deadly.

EVE has become an increasingly interesting world, a world to which I think I will stay in for some time. However, with the recent course of events I don't think I can say the same for a great many people: on both sides of this conflict...


EDIT: Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can get my portrait to show up here?? I'm getting very tired of seeing me represented by an exclaimation mark!!

Trina Tron
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:15:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 02:12:35

EDIT: Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can get my portrait to show up here?? I'm getting very tired of seeing me represented by an exclaimation mark!!


It'll show up when the database updates. I think that will happen in September when kali comes out.

Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:26:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Trina Tron
It'll show up when the database updates. I think that will happen in September when kali comes out.

Damn't. Oh well, I will be the Exclaimation Man until such time. I'll be known across the forums as "that guy with the point white head and a dot for a body". Fun times...


However I would like to add something else to the discussion. I was very happy when D2 didn't come to the forums and go "GOONS LOST XZH, WE ARE THE BEST, LOL GOONS, YOU SUCK". I honestly thought that they would have pulled something like this, but I was wrong and am happy that I was.

I'm a Goon and being one requires a skill not many alliances have in EVE, its that "HATE THE D2 ALLIANCE", and it requires Level 5. We have a deep-rooted passionate hate for D2 and I have yet to see any other alliance fall into their category (that being Goons passionately hate them). NORAD was that alliance next door we wanted to have fun shooting, but we never really "hated" them as per say. They were just in space we wanted to expand into. BoB is the biker from down the way that made angry and now he's waiting outside our house, but again: we don't hate him.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that if it was D2 trying to camp us and make us engage in Syndicate, every Bee from across the Galaxy would be in there throwing frigate blob after frigate blob at their hundred-million dollar ships. We would not stop until every last one of them was dead and their capsule fluid splattered all over the gates they tried to escape with. With BoB, it's like "we know he's there, we know they're trying to get us to fight, but we don't have a quarrel with them: so why fight?". They may have a problem with us, but we don't have a problem with them and that's what we're seeing in Syndicate.

We don't want to fight them, because they are not our enemies.

Marko Debreault
Gallente
0utbreak
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:29:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Imode
Honestly, what happened to the Goonfleet I thought I knew?

Back when you guys were a bunch of a little bees crying about sovereignty skills I always thought the idea and the plight of the Goons was somewhat cute and a little charming. Then it seems your members discovered the Corporation & Alliances forum, and now you're this ugly multi-headed poison-spewing monster.


I feel the same way Sad

Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:31:00 - [99]
 

So have you BoB guys been appreciating the Shakespeare I've been reading in local?

Shiraz Merlot
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:33:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Caesar Galactus
Bull****. Goons have been outsiders ever since they started to have an influence on Eve. The moment the cirle-jerking old boys' club in 0.0 noticed that Goonfleet's swarms were a threat to them the threads, flames, and accusations began. At that point we were all muzzled and couldn't respond in kind, but that ended recently and we could finally speak up and defend ourselves from all the ***** that you forum monkeys throw around. The "respect" you and veterans speak of is nothing but the desire for other corporations to fellate the powers-that-be.


We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.

We hear Goons saying that you don't care what we think. You doth protest too much.

/sm

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:35:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 03:05:19
Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 03:01:01
Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 02:57:04
We tried acting "respectfully."

All that happened is that the people who wanted to start fights with us dragged our name down into the mud anyway, slandered us anyway, treated us with an absolute lack of respect anyway -- and then for some crazy reason got indignant when we refused to return "respect" in exchange for those slanders and misrepresentations, as if we were supposed to be grateful for the opportunity to have been insulted by the Veteran Lord Masters of Eve.


There are still numerous organizations and players within Eve that we respect. But we're done being muzzled, we're done brown-nosing, we're done playing Eve the way anybody who isn't us wants us to play it. If people respect that, fine. If they don't, it isn't our problem any more.

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
They may have a problem with us, but we don't have a problem with them and that's what we're seeing in Syndicate.

We don't want to fight them, because they are not our enemies.


For me, it's more that I view this entire "quarrel" as so . . dirty, for lack of a better term . . . that I don't really have any urge to engage in it. We've had a lot of opponents over time, but none of them have ever come close to sinking to the depths that the various BoB forum *****s have. Multiple personal threats made by several different BoB members, misrepresentation of our actions, the dragging of private comments into public for political gain, the refusal to accept apologies offered, the comparison of all Goonfleet members with "cancer" and "blight" and the statements about how this was a crusade to "purge" us from Eve, above all the deliberate attempt by the BoB leadership to make this entire affair some sort of personal crusade . . . it's just all been despicable from start to finish. I've never seen any group of people sink lower in an online game, and I've been playing these things since the Ultima Online servers opened back in '98. I actually *don't* blame large swathes of the BoB membership -- I think a small coterie of trolls & upper-echelon directors have shamelessly manipulated most of you -- but the people who started this war, did so in an absolutely despicable way, and there's no particular reason why we should treat such actions with any respect at all.

So if we aren't "respectful" to people who act like that . . . show us why we should be? If it seems like we're just trying to **** people off at this point . . . well, maybe it would be better if we just kept turning the other cheek over and over again and always acting nobly after every successive slander and insult. But then again, there's no particular reason why we should worry about offending people any more, either, because we've seen what a farce that leads to. I think a hell of a lot more people would be expressing pretty much the exact same opinions of BoB that we are, but they're scared that OMG HAMMER WILL FALL ON US NEXT or whatever, so they don't speak up. We're lucky; we don't have any reason left not to speak our minds.

Mi'zuro
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:46:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Shiraz Merlot

We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.


Judging an entire group of individuals on the actions of a few is the cool thing to do. I've read a few quotes by a BoB member implying that all Muslims deserve to be bombed and killed, from this I can assume that -all- of BoB are racist idiots, right?

Some goons who've been playing for a lot longer than their creation date lets on did respect some of the bigger alliances for their achievements, but every single time I see them refer to goons as parasites or the popular "cancer of EVE" that respect dwindles.

Won Ton
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:48:00 - [103]
 

So I hear some people in this game hate goons. I can't speak for the other 2500, of course, but that's a real shame, because I wanted to be friends so bad.


Powder
Caldari
Dashavatara
Cascade Associates
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:49:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Ilvari

The funny thing is you think this is something to be proud of when someone has nothing better going on with their life other than sitting in front of their computer for 16 hours straight every day, watching a stargate for activations.

And no, you don't need to answer to this, I already know you have supermodels giving you massages while you camp stargates, and that your 3 girlfriends are ok with it since no man can pleasure them as well as you anyway Wink


same could be said about the guys that spend 16 hours undocking in shuttles/noobships/pods just to get cloned back to the same station and do it all over again... i perfer to be the one getting the killmail tbh

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:23:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 03:34:28
Originally by: fmercury
Take the criticism with a smile, and prove them wrong by your actions. Treat them with the respect they deserve as fellow human beings. Sooner or later, the insults will stop, and you will be respected for your accomplishments and good attitude.Sad


If there is anyone in this whole mess who needs to be preached to about treating their in-game opponents with "the respect they deserve as fellow human beings" . . well, maybe there are a few people in Goonfleet who could benefit from that sermon. But they would find plenty of company among our opponents in BoB.

As someone else pointed out in an earlier thread on all this, a lot of BoB members seem to have the attitude that any conduct at all can be justified by in-game combat victory; that the only people who need to apologize for anything, ever, are people who aren't on the top of the in-game feeding chain. And that attitude is simply bankrupt. We're done playing along with it.

Respect is a two-way street, not a BoB-inspired divine pharaoh's pyramid.

Ashen Brarn
Caldari
More-Cowbell
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:27:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Won Ton
So I hear some people in this game hate goons. I can't speak for the other 2500, of course, but that's a real shame, because I wanted to be friends so bad.




wow. you're a goon? Confused

posting to a locked thread 4tw.

Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:34:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Whiskey Juvenile on 02/08/2006 03:34:25
Honestly, the only thing about these hostilities with BoB that is surprising for us is that we expected them to come sooner, but hoped for them to come later. It was inevitable, of course.

Toffles
Caldari
Pod'em All
Not Found.
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:37:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Toffles on 02/08/2006 03:38:21
Originally by: fmercury

Take the criticism with a smile, and prove them wrong by your actions.


Uh, criticism is fine. Being flamed, made fun of, and having the original smoske incident brought up in nearly every thread to make us look bad gets old after a year. We've been called trash, cancer, exploiters, and everything else under the sun. We were flamed when we took syndicate, we were flamed when we took outer ring, we were flamed when we took cloud ring.

Our "actions" have only served to change the type of insults we receive. For exampe in XZH instead of being called stupid noobs, people decided to call us stupid noob exploiters. So now we can post on the forums and people are upset that we DARE respond in kind to people who insult us. If people were actually half way decent to us all those months we weren't allowed to post our attitude towards them might be different now.

Aupre Fahrenson
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:37:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Aupre Fahrenson on 02/08/2006 03:39:42
Edited by: Aupre Fahrenson on 02/08/2006 03:39:28
Originally by: fmercury
It's a shame, Goonfleet could have been something really special. Sad


But we are Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Frankly, this entire situation is pretty dumb. Many members of BoB are self-fellating half-wits. Goonfleet, being an organization of approximately 2700 people, statistically has a large portion of extrodinarily stupid people. These stupid people on both sides don't see anything wrong with expressing their ******ed views on the forum and then POST POST POST. I assure you that you haven't even seen any more than 10-15% of the goon population post on these forums, but it seems like everyone because idiots post over and over again.

The only reason I made this post was to post the ****** smilie. The serious part of this post was just me summing up my entire view on the situation so I'd never feel obligated to post again.

I bid you all adieu and hope you have fun popping a vein over FORUM DRAMA

Cohkka
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:00:00 - [110]
 

Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?

You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).

You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it...

Mulletstation
Minmatar
Havoc Inc
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:16:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Mulletstation on 02/08/2006 04:17:50
Allright. I just reactivated my account and here's what I think having not actually played for months:


To BoB - I'm gonna agree with a previous poster above me. I don't hate you. I hope you don't really hate us. Its just very disheartening to be called a 'cancer' and 'virus' and threatened to be "wiped out" and "purged" and having "crusades" against us when I just myself reactivated like a day ago. I'm a good guy, I laugh at newbies just like people laugh at my mistakes. I still respect like 99.2% of your alliance because I know that they're gamers just like me, who play this as a game for entertainment but please please... don't listen to our ******s that post, and likewise, I won't listen to your ******s that post. My personal view on the 'joke' issue changed after reading that the original poster actually knew their family and has since apologized. Knowing that, we must realize that the internet itself is a place we must activate our emotion hardeners against. The world is a harsh place but we must deal with it.


To D2 - I've been observing this conflict partially because I have dial-up internet and was unable to participate. Look. we got into XZH on accident. I mean both sides won in the end. You guys got your system back and proved your bad-assery, and we got a ton of experience and stories and awesome screenshots of dreads (which I never get to see otherwise). As a newbie corp, honestly I think we did really well, and I congradulate us both for personal victory. Please don't let this turn into a deep-rooted hate for some reason.


To D2 Allies - I heard you guys were really cool in local when XZH crapped itself. Its nice to know that not everyone instantly blames us for lagging them out and insteads makes the best of the situation. For that, <3 you.


fmercury - dude, chill. You seem like you have a personal vendetta vs. goons. I mean you made a post about leaving goonfleet to have fun and you started shooting goons. I mean, the shooting goons part is still cool and stuff, but when you started personally hating goons for being goons well... I was disappointed. I thought we were friends Sad

To the rest of Goonswarm - We're here to have fun. We'll play the game to have fun. Don't let this get personal. We'll clog the enemy cannons with our wreckage until they cannot fire, and then we'll come again and again and again until I pee myself with laughter.

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:16:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Shiraz Merlot

We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.

We hear Goons saying that you don't care what we think. You doth protest too much.

/sm



Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

Dr Felonius
Caldari
Civilian Purposes Limited
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:20:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude

A little friendly advise to goons leadership. Reel in the trolls and the kiddies that continue to post crap on the forums



Um... the Goons had a strict policy against random members posting here. Then your alliance swore eternal vengeance on them, and promised that they would never ever hold 0.0 space again. Why enforce the gag anymore? What would happen worse than BoB and D2 being at war with them? Heck, since your 0.0 war with them is purportedly permanent, why should they listen to your advice? They'll never again hold 0.0 territory anyway, right?

Mulletstation
Minmatar
Havoc Inc
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:37:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Mulletstation on 02/08/2006 04:37:44
Oh, another thing.

I personally learned this game in SU. It is my e-home. I've lived out of there since my trial. Right now we're branded as cancers to this game, but why? Is it our fun-loving nature? Is it the fact that we're growing bigger every passing second? Or is this all really about that one incident? I don't know. Honestly I have no idea anymore.

People have moved in to attack us, stating that they will either force us to quit the game out of frustation, wipe us out until we disband, or force us all back to empire space. They have labeled us as nothing more than a threat to the community, with nothing to contribute. They are knocking on our doors at night and peeing in our plants.

So what am I going to do?

Am I going to wait this out? no.
Am I going to go to empire? you bet your 10-gallon hat no.
Am I remotely strong enough to fight D2/BoB/allies? no.
Do I have a group of people online that love playing this game for fun and are as suicidal as I am? yes.

This isn't the end BoB. Nor is it some cheesy beginning. We're the fat kids in eve that could be mildly ******ed but noone knows for sure so the teacher has to call the parents every now and then hoping they'll admit it and put them in the special class, and goddamnit, you just took our candy bar.

ProphetGuru
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:37:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Calenth
I think a small coterie of trolls & upper-echelon directors have shamelessly manipulated most of you --


Nobody in BoB will ever buy into this pitiful attempt at propaganda. Find another angle.

Effort =8
Message=1
Style =5

I'd help you out, but I'm busy reading a kickboxing magazine with my supermodel girlfriend.



Mulletstation
Minmatar
Havoc Inc
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:40:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: ProphetGuru

I'd help you out, but I'm busy reading a kickboxing magazine with my supermodel girlfriend.


I also share these hobbies. We should be e-friends!

Armois Delgato
Caldari
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:41:00 - [117]
 

Howdy all. Just checking in to say that I quite prefer an EVE that is a target rich environment filled with lots of random violence than the EVE that was my EVE in the brief period after Tribute and before June. Even if it isn't entirely returned I, personally, respect our enemies- even those that truly and sincerely detest us- simply because without you guys EVE would be the most boring game I've ever played. I'd much rather not post on this forum and I truly wish that our old no EVE-O policy were still in effect but meh, I don't make the rules or have any way of changing them.

That said, I truly hope that all deeply held personal hostilities can be ameliorated and that the goonicide can be far more game-based than personal hatred based. Regardless of what others say or do we're all stuck (for better or worse) on the same Tranquility. Lets keep our awesome hostilities clean of unfortunate ******ation so that true Chaos can rule and so that truly comedic battle may be joined.

Mulletstation
Minmatar
Havoc Inc
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:45:00 - [118]
 

i'm also posting in to say that without Goons, This would seriously be a really really boring game for a newbie. I swear we literally brought 2500 newbies into the game and got them to stay because they didn't have to mine in empire to eventually get them that super sweet tricked out destroyer and then quit 2 weeks later.

we. bring. entertainment.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED

Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:48:00 - [119]
 

standard blah blah I don't represent the alliance blah blah etc etc disclaimer

the thing I don't get most of all:
ever since goonfleet was founded, any thread relating to us has consisted of the majority of people calling us noobs and talking about how we'd never amount to anything and how nothing we ever accomplished would be good enough. every. single. thread.
then we invade cloud ring and we get called cheaters, hackers, exploiters, etc.
we have spent our entire eve existance being insulted on these forums because of who we are.
and then the posting ban was lifted.
are any of you really actually surprised that after having been insulted for NINE STRAIGHT MONTHS on this forum about who we are, that we're going to respond by trying to **** off as many people as we can? we've figured out that these forums are worthless to us because nothing said here will ever cause people to think better of us because ultimately we will still have the same old people saying we'll never amount to everything.
even though I may not agree with everything members of my alliance post on here I am relishing watching this just to see all the people say how shocked they are at our behavior and how disappointed they are at us. guess what, the months of abuse and put downs has caused us to just not care anymore. thanks!

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:50:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 02/08/2006 05:45:38
Originally by: Calenth

We tried acting "respectfully."

All that happened is that the people who wanted to start fights with us dragged our name down into the mud anyway, slandered us anyway, treated us with an absolute lack of respect anyway -- and then for some crazy reason got indignant when we refused to return "respect" in exchange for those slanders and misrepresentations, as if we were supposed to be grateful for the opportunity to have been insulted by the Veteran Lord Masters of Eve.

There are still numerous organizations and players within Eve that we respect. But we're done being muzzled, we're done brown-nosing, we're done playing Eve the way anybody who isn't us wants us to play it. If people respect that, fine. If they don't, it isn't our problem any more.




Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. Canít help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.

If the way goons ďwant to playĒ is acting like unfunny ******s, mission accomplished.

Originally by: Calenth

We've had a lot of opponents over time, but none of them have ever come close to sinking to the depths that the various BoB forum *****s have.

Ö

I've never seen any group of people sink lower in an online game


One does spring to mind. Making fun of somebody dying even at times in public then feigning outrage when his friends are angry. Hypocritically complaining about all being ďtarred with the same brush,Ē then whining about some apparent threat by one of their opponents. Posting page after relentless page of drivel and flames on a community forum.


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