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Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?


You did not answer my question about if you are agreeing with my statement or not.
And I am not going to be baited by you implying that we are not resisting at all. Think what you want, just know that we are resisting in our own way and will continue to as things solidify after returning from Cloud Ring. Patience is a virtue, you know; just because BoB wants us to launch massive blobs against them immediately, doesn't mean we have to.
Also, I don't really get attached to point of sales machines. Thanks for wondering if we do, though.

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:02:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Sergeant Spot

Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?



You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.


If things are as you say, its a good start.

That I'll grant.

But don't do it for us, do it for yourselves. It really would have no meaning if you did it for us.

On our end we've seen to many repeats of the original incident. If those cease, attitude very well might start to change.

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:04:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: Rebellion on 02/08/2006 17:09:55
The signature is just the beginning. Pointing it out opened the floodgates and inundated us with the gems that Toffles mentioned. Basically, we think that most of GoonSwarm are like those people that posted WTB threads, or the ones that convo'd our people to make distasteful jokes. The very spam generated by GoonSwarm players in these forums are already noticed by all. Just ask the moderators about how many pointless GoonSwarm threads they had to lock or even delete. These are all fairly recent. Furthermore, a lot of your membership defend those peoples' right to do those things, and even said that it was our fault for "provoking" GoonSwarm. The very insinuation that we use the memory of a member to wage war against GoonSwarm is ridiculous. We do no need such things to motivate our membership into making war. All we need is to decide to do so. How preposterous. Because of them, we do not trust GoonSwarm, and trust your leaders even less because we fully expect them to be capable of lying to our face and then maintaining the opposite within the secrecy of your membership. Hidden insults being part and parcel of that.

The attempts at making GoonSwarm appear oppressed or bullied by BoB in this is laughable. Just as some of you claimed that your members posted filth in reaction to our provocation, then we undertake this decision and course of action in reaction to your positions. The implication that the freedom of expression that we should allow you is null and void when considered in the light of our freedom to react is the only hypocrisy here.

Grayton: various forms of resistance mean nothing if we do not see their effects. While there is no actual armed resistance being offered, and while we continue to shoot GoonSwarm pilots down like flies in S-U, we will continue to be disapointed at the laughable lack of resitance offered by an alliace that is so ambitious.

Noghri ViR
Caldari
GoonFleet
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:09:00 - [304]
 

As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?

I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donít feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.

Jacob Majestic
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:10:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic

Originally by: BOldMan
Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0.Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.


I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english not being boldmans primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.


I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english obviously not being your primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:12:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Noghri ViR
As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?

I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donít feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.



This isn't a prank. It actually happened.

anubis 2
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:13:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
:words:


So why are you whining on the forums, as opposed to blowing up Internet spaceships?

No matter what anyone in GS did or didn't do, it won't erase the fact that you've defaced someone's memory in the most public way possible. ugh

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:14:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: Rebellion on 02/08/2006 17:16:23
Jacob Majestic: He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.

anubis, we would gladly blow up internet space ships if your members didn't fear losing said internet spaceships so much that they choose to play on alts while we are clearly present and ready to engage in an exchange of actions that may or may not, but have a good chance of leading to, blowing up internet spaceships.

Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:15:00 - [309]
 

Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...

Why has this all descended into madness?

Twyce Nyetlee
Gallente
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Noghri ViR
As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?

I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donít feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.



Laughing Oh man, if you're not careful you're going to upset them so much they'll leave S-U and go where we actually are.

anubis 2
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.


Sorry, but regarding anyone as "outsiders" is a form of elitism.

Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
Grayton: various forms of resistance mean nothing if we do not see their effects. While there is no actual armed resistance being offered, and while we continue to shoot GoonSwarm pilots down like flies in S-U, we will continue to be disapointed at the laughable lack of resitance offered by an alliace that is so ambitious.


You have still not answered about whether or not you agree with my question that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force?
I find it odd that you expect for resistance to be immediate and on a huge scale, especially since we are returning from two months of constant war. Once again, patience is a virtue.

I am not going to comment on the first and second paragraphs of your post as, no offense, but it is just things that have been rehashed over and over.

Abdalion


Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Noghri ViR
As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?

I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donít feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.



I think this ends this thread.

Take it ingame people, love each other, hate each other, shoot each other, ignore each other whatever.

But cease bringing up the RL stuff.

Everyone.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:18:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Desiderata Fabian
Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...

Why has this all descended into madness?


Because saying that would portray BoB as a bully. They can't hurt their e-pride in the face of the public so they need a reason to deface us (but consequently themselves as well).

However, had they just come out and said that, I would've welcomed it.

Abdalion


Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:20:00 - [315]
 

This thread has gone off topic.

I suggest you all find other ways of expressing your anger and disappointment with the other, and that those ways are ingame.


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:21:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: Grayton

So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force?
Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.


BoB isn't deciding what is offensive in Eve, just what they find offensive.
Just because you guys like to think people have the right to say whatever they want, does not mean that they can do so without consequence.
If they are unable to moderate their behaviour in the face of a wider community, then they have to be willing to accept that offending the sensibilities of that community, or groups within it, may have unforseen consequences.

If you don't like that, or think that it unfair that people have reacted in the way that they have, e-cry me a river.


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