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Avres
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:04:00 - [271]
 

Edited by: Avres on 02/08/2006 16:06:21

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov

This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads.


Originally by: The Mittani on the Goonfleet forums

Yeah, I did alright yesterday; I made one post, had 5 BoB guys respond to it in increasingly frothingly ways











Originally by: Nevvy

We are fighting left and right and the best mercenary corp in the game is jumping in on our side to help.



Originally by: The Mittani

We're waiting until we see the silly Hugh Grant banner, posting our 'oh god terrfied so we got our own fearsome mercs to help', then the thread is invaded by VCBees demanding missl or bump.





Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:05:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.


Please enlighten me as to what this means exactly?

The thing is, being a Goon has nothing to do with what corp you are in. I could quit GF tomorrow and be in a newbie corp and still be a Goon. Fmercury from MC is a Goon, Furnock Dorn from Jita Highway Patrol is a Goon, both these people are KOS for Goonswarm but that does not stop them from being Goons. The only way to eradicate a Goon from Eve is to stop them from playing.

Using the term Goons, you refer to the individuals by social group, and not the overall entity. 'Eradicating Goons from Eve' is no differant from saying you are 'Eradicating Christians from Eve', 'Eradicating Germans from Eve', 'Eradicating Furries from Eve', and so on.

If your war was truly against the organisation, you would say you were 'Eradicating Goonswarm from Eve'. There is a very strong distinction between targetting the individuals and targetting the organisation.

Goons like to play together, which is why you have Goon corps. If Goonswarm were to (somehow) disband, another Goon alliance would rise in its place, and it would probably be 99% the same membership, led by the same person, hold the same space, and have the same values. I would put good money that you would carry your persecution and campaign of hate over to the new alliance, simply because we want to paly together.

Finally, this war is not about resources or territory, it is about BoB's intolerance of anyone who dares to think or act differantly to them. Goonswarm is under attack because BoB disagree with the way we choose to play this game and the attitudes we have while playing it. No matter who is left or what is said, this is a disgusting attitude to take, and nothing can change that.

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:07:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole
It makes it easier to understand just how badly you are losing this argument by arguing my semantics. However, to counter your points:

1. He said he's holding them responsible because they are supporting the people that offend him, not because they are members of GS. Although I don't understand how this point even remotely supports what you are trying to say.
2. You didn't say you didn't care about his wrath, you declared him a dictator and crudely challenged his ability to judge others. I'm sure you wouldn't want people judging other people, that just wouldn't be fair.

it's reeeeeally simple, and you're missing it. keep trying.


Oh, I understand now! You're just "spewing filthy propaganda" (that's a direct quote from one of your own alliance mates flaming me, by the way). You've given no proof for your statements, let alone a sensible argument, yet expect me to believe you? You still skirt around my arguments, and it's fairly obvious that none of your responses have even directly answered mine ad verbatim, but instead twisted so you can actually think of a response.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:07:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 16:07:56
In reference to Avres:

*waves at the alt*

Bye bye alt.

*waits for that post and this one to be deleted*

If you want to bring things from outside of the game into here, post with your main. We all know there are spies in GF that can read the boards and use that info here. You can post that all you want, but you need to have a main character do it.

Toffles
Caldari
Pod'em All
Not Found.
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Trac3rt
Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?


Originally by: Remedial
I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ****ing WarCraft III or StarCraft theyíre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canít win on their terms they donít want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donít play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyíre not good enough by ****ing camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.


Rolling Eyes


Remedial was saying if they couldn't handle losing xzh to us they could go ahead and quit this game. I agree with him too. If people are going to be such bad sports about losing their ships or having POS's blown up they can go ahead and quit. We never said we wanted to kick D2 out of this game, only that the bad sports could be made to cry so much that they quit. CS has people calling "hacks", Starcraft has people who quit if they see they are going to lose, and eve has people that do both. I think even bob would agree that people with that level of sportsmanship can and should be beaten regardless of whether they are going to cry or quit the game. This is quite different from BoB's ethnic cleansing campaign as I'm sure you are aware. Nice "spin" though.

Ria Sotori
Caldari
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 - [276]
 

Let me dumb this down a bit since the intellectual answers dont seem to be sinking in for you and only produce bloviating diatribes from your "pay to post" forum warriors Rolling Eyes

- less docky docky more shootie shootie pls ?
- wheres the vaunted goon swarm ?
- vacating your home and hiding in empire on non alliance alts does not = teh win
- goonswarm is not the first mega sized corp (its the 5th) in eve and wont be the last its just the newest your not special live with it.

k thx bye

Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 - [277]
 

Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole
Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.

From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?

Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:09:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: Grayton

I am not arguing that BoB cannot judge us for our actions. Judging is an inherent part of society, as Avon pointed out a few posts up. Nor am I arguing that we should not stand by our decision. I stand by it (whatever "it" even is anymore as the entire issue of this has been convoluted beyond belief). Nor am I also arguing against the concept of Free Will, as I too support that. I am merely trying to establish how exactly BoB sees itself in the Eve community.

Also this thread is moving so fast I fear that by the time I get back from taking a shower, three more pages will have been tacked on to it already.


Fair enough.

I lack the authority to speak for BoB formally, but I can say what I believe is true.

I believe BoB see itself as not letting a gross and repeated insult a departed friend be "acceptable". Doing "nothing" about it would be accepting it. Even though I did not know him myself, I can vigorously support the idea. Very vigorously.

Individual BoB members all no doubt have other thoughts, but that one is mine.

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:10:00 - [279]
 

Edited by: Dianabolic on 02/08/2006 16:13:46
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Remedial
I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ****ing WarCraft III or StarCraft theyíre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canít win on their terms they donít want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donít play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyíre not good enough by ****ing camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.


Remedial was saying if they couldn't handle losing xzh to us they could go ahead and quit this game. I agree with him too. If people are going to be such bad sports about losing their ships or having POS's blown up they can go ahead and quit. We never said we wanted to kick D2 out of this game, only that the bad sports could be made to cry so much that they quit. CS has people calling "hacks", Starcraft has people who quit if they see they are going to lose, and eve has people that do both. I think even bob would agree that people with that level of sportsmanship can and should be beaten regardless of whether they are going to cry or quit the game. This is quite different from BoB's ethnic cleansing campaign as I'm sure you are aware. Nice "spin" though.


Of course you didn'tj Rolling Eyes

Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:12:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Grayton on 02/08/2006 16:13:36
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Your Decision has been tolerance and acceptance of repeated incidents extremely offensive behavior. You are being held accountable for that.

<snip>

Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?

Stand by your decision, as it is, warts and all (most complex decisions have warts, so its not unusual). Stand by it as it is, or find another decision to stand by.



I do not like giant quote boxes so I snipped the middle of that.
So again, this boils down to you judging our acts and decisions as offensive- and enforcing your own set of rules for what is offensive and what isn't offensive on us?
Also, I said earlier that the entire situation has become convoluted, and this is an example of it, as I personally thought our decision was not a decision of what is offensive and what is not offensive, but instead of whether or not to support our own membership's ability to free speech, even if we may not agree with what select members may say.

Edit: arg why must there be like 20 new posts as I'm making a reply

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:14:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: Rebellion on 02/08/2006 16:15:23
Well, if you are saying that BoB disagree with petulance, distasteful and unfunny jokes, insults to things unrelated to the game, uncontrolled trolling and the lack of basic decency, then I'd have to concur.

You are completely free to say and do whatever you want. Just as people are completely free to say and do whatever they want in reaction to it. This is what BoB is doing: reacting. Basically it's "insult us, and we step on your head".

Thus far GoonSwarm has been a complete and utter disappointment. If Remedial wants to prove to EVE that the alliance is not filled with newbies that are incapable of achieving anything, then at the very least put up some actual resistance.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:15:00 - [282]
 

Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 16:15:28
EDIT: Damn EVE-O forums not working properly . . .

Keldoran Sakhin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:16:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: Keldoran Sakhin on 02/08/2006 16:18:04
I'm pretty sure that we're going to stand by our 'decision.'

I think that decision was 'Screw what you guys think, it's the internet.'

gl gf hf tbqh imho iirc wtf omg bbq

Edited for clarity.

Tiggus Maximus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:16:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
And why would goons go elsewhere? I thought the alliance was spoiling and eager for a fight with BoB? Or is this the GoonSwarm definition of a fight?[/quote



Speaking purely for myself, fleet battles are laggy, involve hours of organization, staring at warp bubbles, and are unfun. I had more than my fill of all of that in XZH for the time being, sorry you missed out on it.

But I mean...it's ok for you to stare at a warp bubble all day long, really. Don't beat yourself up about the futility of trying to take npc space too much, I realize you are trying to prove a point that you are the big bad bob, just realize most of us are in other systems laughing at you.

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:19:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole
Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.

From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?

Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.


Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.

My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic.

BOldMan
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:20:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
... Evil or Very Mad ....


Can I try a short version?

Now the end is upon you; I will unleash my anger against you and judge you according to your conduct and lay upon you the consequences of all your abominations.

Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:21:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole
Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.

From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?

Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.


Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.

My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic.


Posts from every side have been deleted.

And how could you of all people talk about alts spamming the forums?

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:25:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Keldoran Sakhin
Edited by: Keldoran Sakhin on 02/08/2006 16:18:04
I'm pretty sure that we're going to stand by our 'decision.'

I think that decision was 'Screw what you guys think, it's the internet.'

gl gf hf tbqh imho iirc wtf omg bbq

Edited for clarity.


Thats a decision.

It has some good points and some bad points.

Good point:

An anything goes attitude allows a lot of freedom, and no worry about maintaining any sort standards of behavior (maintaining standards can be a royal pain, trust me on this......)

Bad Point:

Expect harsh treatment when behaving as a "no standards of behavior" group while among other groups that do have standards of behavior, however lax those standards might be (and trust me, standards of behavior in Eve are VERY lax.....)

Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:26:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Originally by: Anille Kole
...
...
...


Posts from every side have been deleted.

And how could you of all people talk about alts spamming the forums?


Did you even read my post?

Posts from each side have been deleted, but how is that relevent to what I said?

Additionally, declaring my statement about alt posting invalid because I am an alt is ridiculous. The statement was in reference to Alexi saying that "GS never spammed the forum! They just lifted the ban!", and said that GS did spam the forum under the cover of alts.

Rutta
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:28:00 - [290]
 

I just joined the swarm recently. I wasn't a goon before that, but had several RL friends who are. I was very familiar with Goons from other sites like B3ta and Fark etc, and always popped over to SA to read and look at what was going on.

Much like EVE, SA is not a carebearing place, no humor is off limits no matter how black or twisted. No subject is taboo. Seeing someone try to complain about something being off limits will only guarantee ridicule.

I'm new to EVE as well, but I love it. It's the best game I've ever played and I kick myself constantly for not getting that 2 week trial last year when I saw it. Coming into all this, I didn't know who BoB was, or who Smoske was or even know much about Remedial.

Now, after seeing the way this has all played out, all I can say is, I'm having the time of my life playing this game. I don't care about who Smoske was or how anyone feels about him, because that crap's in the past and dragging it up to rally the troops is dumb and only guarantees further insults on the matter. Concerns with that issue should have been made directly to the people responsible either via in game, offsite forum PM's or in game petitions to the people talking about it in local. I also don't really know much about BoB, and after reading most of their commentary and escaping some of their gate camps while I'm on my way to do other things I don't really see what the big deal about them is. At this poin't I'm regarding them about the same as I would hostile NPC's in another game, something you avoid/ignore on the way to having fun with your friends.

Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:29:00 - [291]
 

Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:31:20
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:30:06
Originally by: Anille Kole
Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.

My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic.


Both sides have alt posts for them, but GS is better at routing out and killing them. I never argued that it was unfair to GS that BoB was releasing information, just that both sides are releasing information. My statement that the enemies of GS has doen the same tactic stands, but it says nothing for re-inforcing ANY point but the simple fact that it is done and will continue to happen.

Jesus, now I'm even flaming. I'm heading out, there is no reason for me to try to settle the situation.

Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:31:00 - [292]
 

There is a very big differance between judging our actions and going "I disagree", and judging our actions and saying "I disagree, now I am going to destroy everything they have ever accomplished".

You cannot hold us accountable for our actions, because we do not answer to you. To hold anyone accountable for their actions, you have to be a form of 'Moral Police' or GM, dictating what people are allowed to say, think, and do. Which is apparently what you seem to think you are.

How we discipline our own is nobodies business but our own. If someone steps out of line the directors deal with it, 99% of the time nobody knows what the actual punishment was. Again, BoB sees fit to dictate how we should punish someone who steps out of line, and if we dont do exactly what they want then 'You Are Next' lol.

Recently, a number of BoB members were caught exploiting concord's lack of intervention after a recent patch. You don't hear me or anyone else crying out for the exermination of BoB because their members were not kicked. I trust they were dealt with internally.

I am sure if there is any Goonswarm member who steps out of line, if you convo a directror and send over the relevant proof, they will be dealt with.


Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:32:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
Well, if you are saying that BoB disagree with petulance, distasteful and unfunny jokes, insults to things unrelated to the game, uncontrolled trolling and the lack of basic decency, then I'd have to concur.

You are completely free to say and do whatever you want. Just as people are completely free to say and do whatever they want in reaction to it. This is what BoB is doing: reacting. Basically it's "insult us, and we step on your head".

Thus far GoonSwarm has been a complete and utter disappointment. If Remedial wants to prove to EVE that the alliance is not filled with newbies that are incapable of achieving anything, then at the very least put up some actual resistance.


So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force?
Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.

Jacob Majestic
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:38:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: BOldMan
Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.


Translation:

"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."

I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.

I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.

Ismern
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: BOldMan
Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.


Translation:

"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."

I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.

I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.


Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Toffles
Caldari
Pod'em All
Not Found.
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot

Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?



You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:51:00 - [297]
 

Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.

I do apreciate that there are some members trying to do something about smacktards, I had thought from the posts of others that there were none since freedom of expression and absence of responsibility was the ideal.

Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?

Rutta
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:53:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.



The fact that you still don't understand the signature, or what it meant, is funny at this point.

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 16:59:00 - [299]
 

Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: BOldMan
Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.


Translation:

"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."

I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.

I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.


I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english not being boldmans primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.

Twyce Nyetlee
Gallente
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Rebellion

Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?


What are you spending ammo on if we're not logging in or fighting?

We're resisting and winning due to the simple fact that we're off having fun while you guys are sitting in S-U stoking your righteous indignition.

We win, you lose. It's just that simple.

Goodbye.


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