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Kirex
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.08.05 20:54:00 - [61]
 

/NOT SIGNED

Amarr isnt the drone race, gallente is.
Gallente currently have a Blaster/rail and drone BS. Now its getting a Blaster boat. Im fine with this because gallente focus on blasters and drones.

Amarr is getting a ship that gets a tanking/rof bonus since their ships tend to favor tanking and guns.

Why doesnt this make sense to you? If you want a drone BS, train gallente since theyre the drone race.

volly
Amarr
Full Contact
Blade.
Posted - 2006.08.06 10:20:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Kirex
/NOT SIGNED

Amarr isnt the drone race, gallente is.

...

Why doesnt this make sense to you? If you want a drone BS, train gallente since theyre the drone race.



Caldari is getting a Turret Ship ?

/NOT SIGNED

Caldari isnt the turret race, Amarr is.

Why doesnt this make sense to you? If you want a Turret BS, train Amarr since theyre the turret race.

Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
Posted - 2006.08.06 22:33:00 - [63]
 

/Signed. It looks like a drone boat, it should taste like one too.

Dixon
Caldari
Hells Donkeys
Posted - 2006.08.06 22:35:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: volly
Originally by: Kirex
/NOT SIGNED

Amarr isnt the drone race, gallente is.

...

Why doesnt this make sense to you? If you want a drone BS, train gallente since theyre the drone race.



Caldari is getting a Turret Ship ?

/NOT SIGNED

Caldari isnt the turret race, Amarr is.

Why doesnt this make sense to you? If you want a Turret BS, train Amarr since theyre the turret race.


Caldari actually have more turret ships than missile ones... don't be a jackass.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.08.06 22:53:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: volly


Caldari actually have more turret ships than missile ones... don't be a jackass.


Caldari railboats also tend to mount less actual turret slots than their amarr counterparts.

Merv Tring
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.08.06 22:59:00 - [66]
 

Bring on the big giant Arby! Variation ftw!

Dixon
Caldari
Hells Donkeys
Posted - 2006.08.06 23:03:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: volly


Caldari actually have more turret ships than missile ones... don't be a jackass.


Caldari railboats also tend to mount less actual turret slots than their amarr counterparts.


True, but it's not like the Rokh will have the DPS of an Amarr ship. It will still be the least damaging turret BS.

Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2006.08.06 23:05:00 - [68]
 

/not signed

you guys dont need a drone boat, you have them colered lights that do damage, we get the little flying things that go to the target and shoot it...and the rails Very Happy

Lucre
STK Scientific
Black-Out
Posted - 2006.08.07 09:37:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Coran Ordus
On the other hand, a different colored domi is pointless. How would you make it different?


Give it lots of missile launchers!

Lots of missiles, but without all the Raven's bonuses. Large drone bay but not quite as large/bonused as the Domi. And 5 midslots to give it more flexibility than the other Amarr BS.

It wouldn't be an uber missile ship; it wouldn't be an uber drone ship; it wouldn't be an uber EW ship. But it could do all of those well enough to be an exciting and useful ship to complement the 2 gunships.

What Amarr don't need is another gunship!

Tharandar
Posted - 2006.08.07 11:34:00 - [70]
 

/Signed

Sebas Atreides
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
Posted - 2006.08.07 11:37:00 - [71]
 

/signed

Mangus Thermopyle
Divine Retribution
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.08.07 14:40:00 - [72]
 

/not signed, bad idea in my opinion.

Either the drone boat would replace the domi, or the domi would be better and amarr would whine that a tier 1 BS is better than their tier 3 BS.

I think the amarr tier 3 BS is fine as it is. Hyperion sucks though (ultra-boring ship).

God Forbid
Amarr
Royal Hiigaran Navy
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2006.08.07 14:56:00 - [73]
 

/signed..

xXPatheonXx
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2006.08.07 15:01:00 - [74]
 

/Signed, course.

Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.07 16:24:00 - [75]
 

/signed

I want a big arbitrator!

Azmodaus
Caldari
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2006.08.07 17:22:00 - [76]
 

/Signed

Tux said himself the tier 3 bs was supposed to add a new flavor to the 2 existing ones but not replace them. We can all agree that the ROF bonus (same as geddon but without the cap bonus) and the armor resistance bonus (greater than the apoc but without the cap bonus) makes this ship a one minute wonder, it pwns until it runs out of cap, then your toast. If you tank you can't shoot, whats the point in that.

Anyways, Abbadon is the name of the demon of locusts. Making it a drone ship would fit the name. Drones are the unofficial 2nd weapon type of amarr anyway so why not make the 3rd bs a drone boat, we don't need anymore turret bs's. All the other races get bs's focused around 2 weapon systems exept the Amarr.

Come on devs, if I didn't know any better I'd say you guys have it out for the Amarr, stop playing favorites ffs. ugh

Tassi
Amarr
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.08.07 17:35:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Ithildin

I'm not gonna bother posting my oppinion, I'm just gonna pick this post apart.

Amarr T1: Arbitrator
Amarr T2: Pilgrim, Curse
Additional claims: No spoken dev confirmation, no backstory, no ship descriptions.
Supporting stats: Most ships have no or dimunitive drone bay.

Gallente T1: Imicus, Vexor, Myrmiddon, Dominix
Gallente T2: Helios, Ishkur, Ishtar, Eos
Additional claims: Dev team confirmation from both TomB and Tuxford, several backstory - Gallente even INVENTED drones, several ship descriptions.
Supporting stats: There is no ship without a drone bay, most ships have larger drone bays than their peers.

In addition to this, that a ship also has a bonus to something else does not exclude that they can be specialized or dabble in other things.

And if you really wish to split hairs.

Amarr missile ships: Inquisitor
Gallente missile ships: None.
Bombers excluded. "Missile ship" defined as "more missiles than turrets" and "at least half (hardpoint) bonuses dedicated to missiles". This excludes "bastards".

Speaking of speed, have you checked T2 ship speeds? Amarr beat Gallente on most occasions. Geez. Not your lucky day at choosing analogies, is it ;)


Our tier 3 bs is still fubared, fubared because it does the same like geddon and apoc, because we have no 3rd concept. In the cruiser department drones are our third concept.

Why do we have no 3rd concept for our battleships and frigs I might ask? Because "everything" is already taken and the devs are too lazy or drunken to develop a new concept and now we end up with the abbadon being NOTHING new, how exciting. Mad

gu o
Amarr
R.U.S.T.
Posted - 2006.08.07 17:47:00 - [78]
 

Hey guys thanks for all the great replies. Yes even the /anti signed were ok, when given with a reason other than "no no no gallient are drone masters don't take it away from us thats all we have (blasters are backups look at how many ships we have for drones vs gunsRolling Eyes)"
The point that I was trieng to make is Amarr are currently a one-tracked race. "Really high powered light bulbs pointed at other ships"(light bulbs are pretty but don't do jack for damage) I would love to see some flexability within the race. Drones/missiles/ew, anything really I am getting sick and tired of going into a battle and people knowing that ill be coming in with my don. The battle is over before arrive.
The best/worst thing I have done in this game so far is train from a domi. That ship make a joke of a geddon/apoc all day, I can go at any ship and really throw them a curve ball. They have no idea if ill be dropping my sentrys, heavyies, light, medium, webber drones. Its amazing I can make that ship do anything (even with mediocre hybrid skills) The drone damage I put out is soo much greater than what I was doing with lasers (pvp situation; yeah you can do well with lasers when your in opti vs sansha but thats itSad) The reason I still hate the domi is, well its a domi. It seems real sad when to do anything worthwhile (yes I know the apoc can mine well) I have to use another race ship.
I really hope one of the devs reads this and/or the other really (almost too big) Amarr threds. We currently have severe problems with our ships/weapons and would LOVEE flexibility (well me at any rate)
Sorry about the poor spelling/English usage

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.08.07 18:13:00 - [79]
 

What I'd really love/dread to see is smartbombs becoming smart. Once that happens, guess what race is going to get a bonus to them?

By "smart", I mean FoF separation ability, of course.

gu o
Amarr
R.U.S.T.
Posted - 2006.08.07 18:20:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: gu o on 07/08/2006 18:21:09
Originally by: Ithildin
What I'd really love/dread to see is smartbombs becoming smart. Once that happens, guess what race is going to get a bonus to them?

By "smart", I mean FoF separation ability, of course.


*hmmm every race but amarr?
seems to be the current pattern...amarr gets one thing. All the other races get the rest:

Caldari-EW god, Missile god, Rail/fleet

Gall-Blasters, Sniper/blaster, Drone god

Mini-Drone/missiles/ac, fleet insta popper, ac terror

Amarr-really good mining bs, mobile "give your gear to them" machine, really expensive coffin/missing half it's armour plates

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2006.08.07 18:41:00 - [81]
 

Amarrian ships build the amarrian caste system into their ships.

Armageddon is utillitarian

Apoc is enduring

Abaddon is majestic

Abaddon won't fulfill utillitarian and enduring at once so their will be a need of the lower caste ships. There is no need for a drone boat that is for greedy buggers who want to play outside the roleplaying elements of the race. Arbitrator, curse and pilgrim are experiments NOT a foundation for future ships.

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.07 18:50:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Amarrian ships build the amarrian caste system into their ships.

Armageddon is utillitarian

Apoc is enduring

Abaddon is majestic



And majestic means 8x 800mm AC + injected dual repper armor tank? Because thats the only viably fitting even with 5% laser rof, which is just a hidden nerf with these 80% em resists everywhere. No thank you.

Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Abaddon won't fulfill utillitarian and enduring at once so their will be a need of the lower caste ships. There is no need for a drone boat that is for greedy buggers who want to play outside the roleplaying elements of the race. Arbitrator, curse and pilgrim are experiments NOT a foundation for future ships.


So in your world successful experiments are just ignored when designing new tools. I lol'ed, thx.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.07 19:00:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/08/2006 19:01:21
I can think of multiple viable laser setups, Perry. In fact, the very idea of putting ACs on that ship seems an incredible waste.

Im going to ask a simple question to those wanting a droneboat.

Why would Amarrians with the Amarrian doctrine build a solo battleship as their top of the line battlewagon?

Droneboats are noticably weak in fleets, and what the Amarrian ships are designed for is fleets.

Amarrian fleet doctrine is quite simply 'as much firepower as possible on one spot' That means turrets. Battleships are fleet ships, that is their role in the Amarrian system.

This will be easily one of the strongest fleet boats in EVE. And that is exactly what makes sence for Amarr. I honestly dont see why people are *****ing.

If you read the descriptions of how Amarrians fight, this is spot on how Amarrians operate. If you want versitility instead of raw armor and firepower in your battleships, you need to be flying another race or specializing in the Khanid versions.

gu o
Amarr
R.U.S.T.
Posted - 2006.08.07 19:19:00 - [84]
 

Does part of the armarrian doctrine involve getting their asses handed to them? most sencible people roll with eanm's and dc's. leaving "light bulb shooters" as all but good. infact I have seen my stabber do better against other bs's. and thats with ****-as$ skills. since when has having more (easy to tank dps) seem like a sensible alt? wow were gonna be able to Oh My Focking God-****..bunkers?

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.07 19:20:00 - [85]
 

Well if the Abaddon comes as shown dont expect me to fly apoc or geddon ever again. What a waste of database space. Like Khanid. Or our T1 Cruisers apart the Arbi.

But three Fleet Battleships give nice choices though, today arma 200km sniping, tomorrow apoc 200km sniping, and then perhaps abaddon 200km sniping. Sounds very promising.


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