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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:51:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Etherios

Yes i know but i dont think it will replace arma or apoc because Arma is a cheap bs for close range(if u can have that with amarr) and apoc is for tanking/npcing. Now they give us the best fleet ship and the best 30k+ heavy hitting bs (besides the missile ships ofc ...)



as was said by tux in the devblog its setups are to include being able to deal more damage than the geddon or tank better than the apoc. that right there describes how it will easily replace both of those ships. if it is able to deal longrange damage it will be just as able to fit pulses and deal damage in what you percieve to be the geddons area of effectiveness.

Originally by: Etherios

That arma can be a fleet ship or that Apoc can be one doesnt mean that its role is that. Apoc can do all but mediocre as arma. Abaddon can gank big time and tank a bit.



yeah like it was said earlier it will be better than both of these ships.

Originally by: Etherios

I still think Arma is lot better up close and the Apoc is lot better tanker. So u have 3 ships with similar possibilities yes but they are all proficient in diferent areas.



the devblog-abaddon will have 1 more lowslot and up to 25% better resists than an apoc. how exactly is an apoc going to be a better tank?

regarding the closerange geddon: it could in theory be slightly better for closerange-damage if it had a significantly larger dronebay than the abaddon. however the abaddon should still be able to fit megapulses much more easily and still have room for a better tank. in order to be able to fill the role of superior beam laser ship it would require more powergrid than a geddon. so if you fit both for shortrange the abaddon will likely come out on top in regards to leftover grid for tankage.


Originally by: Etherios

Now there is no need for an Amarr to fly anything else than Abaddon in fleets.



and thats not really how it should be imo.

Lock out
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:52:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Crellion
So ammar? Where they missing a drone ship that is consistent with their tech 1 frigs and cruisers as the second race weapon? Bullcrap. 1 cruiser that nobody ever used and was "sort of" a drone boat doesnt make an entire races secondary weapon.

The Arbi is not just some "cruiser that nobody ever used," it's probably the most useful of our t1 cruisers IMO.

That said, if the Abaddon was turned into a droneboat, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to do as much drone damage as the Dom (IMO). However, maybe it'd be possible to tweak the 10% damage/hp per level bonus into something more Amarr/tanking oriented, maybe 5% damage/20% hp per level instead?

Combine a bonus like that with a cap use bonus for lasers, a 200-250m3 dronebay, and maybe a 6/5/7 layout (6 turrets), and to me it sounds like it'd be a fun ship to fly, without making the Dom or either of our 2 current battleships useless.

Etherios
Amarr
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.08.01 18:08:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne

as was said by tux in the devblog its setups are to include being able to deal more damage than the geddon or tank better than the apoc. that right there describes how it will easily replace both of those ships. if it is able to deal longrange damage it will be just as able to fit pulses and deal damage in what you percieve to be the geddons area of effectiveness.

yeah like it was said earlier it will be better than both of these ships.


the devblog-abaddon will have 1 more lowslot and up to 25% better resists than an apoc. how exactly is an apoc going to be a better tank?

regarding the closerange geddon: it could in theory be slightly better for closerange-damage if it had a significantly larger dronebay than the abaddon. however the abaddon should still be able to fit megapulses much more easily and still have room for a better tank. in order to be able to fill the role of superior beam laser ship it would require more powergrid than a geddon. so if you fit both for shortrange the abaddon will likely come out on top in regards to leftover grid for tankage.


and thats not really how it should be imo.



Ok Close range Arma is smaller (like 15 mil smaller) so more agil and with the cap+ bonus it has can keep the pulse + tank going easier. Also remeber the Arma is the cheapest bs in Amarr. So i still think Arma > Abaddon close range.

Ok Tank. Apoc has the cap bonus so it can run 2 Lreps without problem and fire guns where abaddon cant do that for long period of times. So the Apoc can out tank a Abaddon in the long run.

Now about the dev blog. we will see...

Well the extra grid only helps for putting tachs which is why this ships is been made for tachs pwning. The cap problem is there and its there to keep it from being tooo uber.

Last just remmeber after it gets ingame. Apocs and Armas will still be used my guess Apoc for npc and Arma for small gangs.
The Abaddon is the big fleet hitter thats it.


I still belive its a very good ship that i will be flying ALOT

Xacal
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.08.01 18:25:00 - [94]
 

I totally agree the Abbadon should be a drone ship. It looks like a drone ship, the Ammar have a cruiser drone ship, and right now it seems to do the same things a Armagedon or an Apoc can do, so it's kinda pointless.
Problem is, to make it a drone ship, it would need to be tier 1, beause Ammars can't have a tier 3 drone ship while gallentes have only a tier1... The arbitrator makes it pretty obvious. But we're talking about tier3 ships, and boosting existing ships and changing it's calss is not acceptable, so we're screwed with that...

If anything, the Hyperion should be a tier1, dampener BS. The Megathron shoul be a tier 3 for blaster/rail fittings, and the Dominix should be a tier 2, to follow proper Gallente priorities. Not gonna happen.

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 18:29:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Etherios

Ok Close range Arma is smaller (like 15 mil smaller) so more agil and with the cap+ bonus it has can keep the pulse + tank going easier. Also remeber the Arma is the cheapest bs in Amarr. So i still think Arma > Abaddon close range.

Ok Tank. Apoc has the cap bonus so it can run 2 Lreps without problem and fire guns where abaddon cant do that for long period of times. So the Apoc can out tank a Abaddon in the long run.



price wont be that much higher once the bpo has seen some research and you take insurance into account.

i dont think a bit of agility will make much of a difference once you're at the bs level. at least for amarrian battleships with a rof bonus it seems unlikely that they will see a lot of uses involving an mwd and moving around at great speed.

regarding the cap advantage...for pvp reeason you're propably better off just using a capinjector instead of trying to create a setup where you can run a dual repper tank forever on an apoc or abaddon (which would need a lot more slots for rechargers/cap relays). capboosters are also a reason why the current apoc bonus doesnt really help it much for pvp. as other ships can keep their cap alive jsut as well with boosters. sure those will run out eventually but thats not likely gonna happen fast enough.

most fights will be over too fast in order to take advantage of such longterm bonuses.

Originally by: Etherios

i still belive its a very good ship that i will be flying ALOT


i'm not trying to dispute that. it will be very good but also very boring when compared to what we have already.

Magonushi
Third Return Inc.
Final Retribution Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:12:00 - [96]
 

signed

as an amarr I've tried every cruiser and by far the Arbi out-performs them all in most situations.

I would guess a BS version could function similarly especially if it retained the strong EW abilities of the Arbi with a bit more focus on enhanced armor.

MrWatson
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:42:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: MrWatson on 02/08/2006 07:42:24
/sighned

Amarr need a good variable dmg type weapon, and drones fit the bill. You can't say Amarr don't already use them to a degree as most our ships have a decent drone bay, and we already have the Arbitrator line. Make the Abaddon our battleship sized Arby Very Happy

Victavious Asmandi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.02 18:10:00 - [98]
 

I have been thinking about this, and I actualy kinda agree with the theory that there Should NOT be a BS drone ship. IF there was a BS drone ship, it would be totaly unfair that "I", as a Caldari, wouldn't be able to fly it without training in the whole Amarr tech tree. See my reasoning?

Although, on a serious note, no one else has a Drone spec BS is there? Only the random crusiers and the carriers. The drone spec BS would have a substantial increase in power over a drone spec'ed cruser, and thus the most powerful drone ship short of a carrier anywhere.

And if there is another BS that I am unaware of....please ignore this entire post and imagine it as nothing more than a picture of fluffy pink bunnies eating cake. :)

Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
Posted - 2006.08.02 18:12:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Madcat Adams on 02/08/2006 18:14:47
The Gallente have one, though it's really out of date, and there is a opening for the Amarr to step in and make a better one. Wink

Better to train Amarr than Gallente for your drone BB. Flying Amarr ships makes you feel pretty. Very Happy


Victavious Asmandi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.03 14:57:00 - [100]
 

Nah, if i was was to train Amarr ship skills that this point, it would be because I wanted to fly a nightmare. Now thats an interesting ship. Twisted Evil

Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2006.08.03 15:34:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Etherios
Ok Tank. Apoc has the cap bonus so it can run 2 Lreps without problem and fire guns where abaddon cant do that for long period of times. So the Apoc can out tank a Abaddon in the long run.


Nope. The 25% resistance bonus means that the Apoc has to repair 33% more damage than the Aba.

33% more damage + 25% better caprecharge (and this only if both ships have the same pre-skill cparecharge) -> the Apoc will still be a weaker tanker, shortterm or longterm.

The Economist
Logically Consistent
Posted - 2006.08.03 15:39:00 - [102]
 

I suspect this has been said before but....

With regards to the abaddon being made into a drone boat...

Please god no!

For the love of god no!

Just no.

(please)

Calderio
Caldari
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
Posted - 2006.08.03 16:07:00 - [103]
 

it just doesnt look like a amarr drone ship. besides i like the idea that the guy came up with to make it like a amarr type ferox were it can tank awsome using missles or gank awsome with lasers.

Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
Posted - 2006.08.03 17:19:00 - [104]
 

Linkage

It's a bit different from the Arbi, however this does look to me a lot like a drone boat. With the large area in the front under the "nose" being the acess to the drone bays. Does anyone have a link to the ingame image of the Abaddon?

Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2006.08.03 17:26:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Aramendel on 03/08/2006 17:26:42
It also has 8 (quite visible) weapon mounts, though.

But in either case, arguing for what it be from it's *look* is just silly. You might as well say "abaddon" has 3 letters from "drone" in it, so it should be a droneboat.

Not saying that I am happy with the current version of it..that one is plain out dumb. Devs want to make combat longer and we get a ship whichs very focus is to make combat as short as possible, devs stated tier 3 should not replace the tier 1& 2 and we get a ship which does exactly this for BOTH older BSs.


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