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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.31 09:34:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Nyxus

While I agree that the Abaddon as a drone carrier shouldn't eclipse the Domi, it can easily be made an 8 midslot ship with drone bonuses and tracking disruptor bonuses with only enough dronebay to fit 5 heavies and 5 lights and be balanced. Just as the Arbi is balanced with the Vexxor. FFS all the other tier 3 bs are getting 6 mids AND filling in "holes" in thier respective fleets. If the Abaddon can't be a drone boat then make it 8/8 turrets/missiles.



8 medslots would be way too much for an amarrian droneboat. with say 200m3 dronespace and the 10% damage/hitpoints bonus i wouldnt give it more than 6 meds for a tier 3 version... 4 or 5 meds for a lower tier one.

same goes for 8 launcher hardpoints. while that would also gives us some variety it would clearly be over the top. the ravens 6 launchers would have to be the max. number used. if you really want to create an amarrian missile boat i would rather go for a split setup like the typhoon.

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.31 09:36:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Luric Vizjier
Making the Abaddon a droneship is an insult, there is no honor in it. The Amarr will only stand for direct confrontation and win by either outlasting or quickly striking down our enemy. There is no workaround to a true battle, any Amarrian pilot knows this.

~Captain Luric Vizjier


so why exactly has the cva given up on using pure amarrian fleets then?


Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.07.31 09:51:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Nyxus
Ithildin I would agree with you on "preserve racial identity" except for 2 things.

  1. The Rokh with 8 turrets and is Caldari shows that gameplay>>>racial backstory.


  2. All other Tier 3 BS getting 8 turrets when according to backstory Amarr are the "turret specialists" shows that gameplay>>>>backstory.


1. I was never one to count number of turrets and think anything special about it. The Rokh adheres to the Caldari philosophy and racial identity, if you allow for a developement from the backstory. This is, after all, shortly into the future as far as the backstory is concerned, otherwise Caldari wouldn't have battleships at all.
Number of turrets relatively speaking has never been established, all that has been established is that Gallente compared to Caldari worked on a serious bombardment principle, and thus their (Gal) turret set would be stronger than Caldari turret sets. Pure numbers don't matter.

2. I have not delved deep into Amarr nor Minmatar backstories, but I have a nagging feeling that there is no such descriptors. What there is, undoubtedly, is a describing set of stories to confirm that Amarr focus much more on turrets compared to the Matari. Matari, after all, tend to have missile augmented systems.

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While I agree that the Abaddon as a drone carrier shouldn't eclipse the Domi, it can easily be made an 8 midslot ship with drone bonuses and tracking disruptor bonuses with only enough dronebay to fit 5 heavies and 5 lights and be balanced. Just as the Arbi is balanced with the Vexxor. FFS all the other tier 3 bs are getting 6 mids AND filling in "holes" in thier respective fleets. If the Abaddon can't be a drone boat then make it 8/8 turrets/missiles.

<Conserve space>

Can you see that the Abaddon as currently sugggested does this exactly? It add *NOTHING* to the Amarr fleet, while rendering 2/3's of the Amarr BS pointless as it does everything they can do, and better when properly set up.

Gameplay>>>>backstory

Nyxus


The reason that the Vexor can be seen as being more balanced compared to the Arbitrator is that the Vexor is higher tier and can thus be allowed more power and fitting. In the case Abaddon versus Dominix, however, the Dominix is several tiers lower and will most likely cost less than half the minerals to construct compared to the Abaddon. It is only logical that the Abaddon will thus be superior in most aspects.
That it can be made a drone boat is true, but if anything it must be made a dabbler unless some serious adjustments are made to the Dominix. I highly doubt the devs are ready to tamper with other designs just to fit in this one.

I do realise that the Abaddon does add very little to the Amarr fleet. That has always been a strong concern in my debating previously, before stats and concepts were released. I have a feeling, though, that some room can be made if the devs tamper with the Apocalypse as well, which is, perhaps, lacking slightly as far as PvP is concerned.
I feel, though, that in order to add an Amarr drone ship, it needs be done on the lowest tier along with tampering of the Gallentean line of battleships (Hyperion being a drone ship instead and Dominix being changed to EWar ship - which incidentally fits in well with backstory since Gallente were superior in EWar compared to Caldari in the era the Dominix was made in), but it's just wishful thinking.

McTaggart
Gallente
Posted - 2006.07.31 10:26:00 - [64]
 

If we stuck with racial identity you'd have to have 5 punisher frigates, 4 maller cruisers and 3 apocabaddageddon battleships to choose from. Railroading one whole race into using one ship is bad for everyone.

Heartbreak Harriet
Posted - 2006.07.31 12:26:00 - [65]
 

I'm not so sure saying the Vexor is better than the Arbitrator is a really compelling argument. Usually I agree with you, Ithildin, but I'm not so sure what you're saying makes a lot of sense, especially since cruiser tiers are really fuzzy when you get to the middle.

Try comparing the two and you'll find that the Vexor really isn't much different from the Arbitrator; it has more Powergrid but less CPU, the same amount of slots (the Arbitrator is 4/4/4, the Vexor is 5/3/4 with a couple more turrets but no launchers). Their drone capabilities are identical. Same drone bonus, same drone bay size. The only areas the Vexor is better than the Arbi in without trading something else are cargo size and hp, which are both slightly higher. However, I think that has more to do with the Arbi being an EW ship and Gallente drone ships having characteristically large cargo than anything else.

If an Amarr Drone BS is made higher tier than a Gallente one, I agree that it's a problem. Everyone would go for the Abaddon and the Dominix would get ignored. But what do you think would happen if Gallente's droneship was upgraded to tier 3, while Amarrians got a drone BS at tier 1? Either way, one of them would become the new old Typhoon, so to speak.

I don't like the idea of an Arbitrator-based Abaddon. In fact, I just flat out don't like everyone's pre-occupation with trying to upsize cruiser designs into BS hulls. However, it isn't difficult to understand how it could be made to work. Upgrade the Geddon and the Apoc to tier 2 and 3, and bring the Abaddon in at tier 1. Make it primarily an EW ship, with less damage and utility highs than the domi, but one more mid and a TD bonus. It can be worse than the Domi at using drones, so long as it makes up for it in some other area and is still better with drones than Minmatar or Caldari. Gallente would get to keep their drone superiority, and Amarrians would get a BS that does something other than shoot guns and/or get shot at by things that may or may not be guns.

Trade one thing to get another. That's balance. Giving Gallente a tier 3 drone BS because the Vexor has more hp than the Arbitrator isn't.

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.07.31 14:04:00 - [66]
 

Ok, why does every dumbass insist that no drone bs can ever be built the beats the Domi?
Even though it even says in the description that it is an old model design from the Gal-Cal wars... an "old workhors"?
So technology has to stop in its tracks or someone MIGHT make a better drone boat.
Use your ****ing head people.
The Domi is not the end all be all. It is an old Gal design from DECADES and DECADES ago.
We build better ships nor or havent you noticed?

Why does every moron say that Gal are drone 'specialists' when currrently they only have 4, thats right 4, drone boats out of 20+ COMBAT boats. The Amarr have 3 and you dont call them drone specialists.
WE ARE HYBRID SPECIALISTS! NOT DRONE SPECIALISTS!
It may say drone specialist in the broucher but if you actually look at their ship you see they lied. We specialize in hybrid weapons.
Till the devs do something more substantial to make the Gal actualy specialize in drones, like have more then a fraction of their ships drone ships, you are stuck with the reality of it. Hybrid specialist cause that is what all our ships do.
Get over it.

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2006.07.31 14:10:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Heartbreak Harriet
It can be worse than the Domi at using drones, so long as it makes up for it in some other area and is still better with drones than Minmatar or Caldari.


I suggested a drone bonus and a laser ROF bonus but a limited drone bay of either 50 - 75 m3 for a drone using version of the Abaddon.

125 m3 drone bay would field 5 heavy drones and coupled with a laser ROF would "probably" put our a bit too much firepower and would DEFINITELY make armageddon useless. But limiting the drone bay in size "might" make the Abaddon more of a niche role compared to the Armageddon (as a drone ship).

Either way I do not want a resist bonus on the Abaddon. I'd rather see a gimpy drone bonus or a tracking disruptor bonus.

Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
Posted - 2006.07.31 14:33:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Madcat Adams on 31/07/2006 14:56:50
Drones are the closest thing we have to a secondary weapon system. Utilyzing them just makes sense to round out our total lack of varied damadge from lazers. In pvp or pve that lack hurts the Amarr race.

*edited to make more constructive, less rant*

Heiken Wimast
Amarr
Clan LoKi
R i s e
Posted - 2006.07.31 14:58:00 - [69]
 

Tbh Abaddon will be wasted with resist/rof bonuses and 8 turrets. Better it should be biggest brother of arbi and a drone ship, with turret disruptors and nosses. Otherwise "Abaddon" will be useless.

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2006.07.31 15:32:00 - [70]
 

Here we go!

Capacitor bonus to laser usage
Tracking Disruptor bonus

There! A battleship that fills a role that is not currently filled in the Amarr BS fleet, without making the Apoc or Arma useless.

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.31 15:42:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Lisento Slaven

I suggested a drone bonus and a laser ROF bonus but a limited drone bay of either 50 - 75 m3 for a drone using version of the Abaddon.

125 m3 drone bay would field 5 heavy drones and coupled with a laser ROF would "probably" put our a bit too much firepower and would DEFINITELY make armageddon useless. But limiting the drone bay in size "might" make the Abaddon more of a niche role compared to the Armageddon (as a drone ship).

Either way I do not want a resist bonus on the Abaddon. I'd rather see a gimpy drone bonus or a tracking disruptor bonus.



wasting 1 of 2 bonuses on a way too small dronebay will surely not create a unique role for the abaddon. also..if your thinking about the default droneboat bonus of 10% damge/hitpoints: a 75m3 dronebay would hold 3 heavy drones with up to 50% bonus on them those would have the power of 4.5 heavies without the bonus...the geddon has 5 heavies.

if you want to have a difference over the geddon as it is now how about removing the laser rof bonus from one of them and replacing it with a decent sized dronebay (200m3 or so) and a drone bonus instead. as you said already giving a bs 7-8 turrets with a rof bonus and a usefull dronebonus as well will be over the top. so in order to change one of those 2 ships into a droneboat it would have to lose a number of turrets or the rof bonus.

also: theres really no need to worry about _making_ it better than the geddon because with the devblog-proposed bonuses and slotlayout it will already be better than the geddon at pretty much everything pvp-related.

if the abaddon is to stay the boring turretboat as which it got announced then the 5% rof and 5% resists are already pretty much perfect for that role.


Hitomi Ayame
Posted - 2006.07.31 15:51:00 - [72]
 

All this rot about an 8 midslot Amarr BS makes my head hurt. Talk about fudging racial identity...

Anyway, I fully support making the Abbadon a drone battleship. The Amarr lineup desperately needs some variety, and EVE in general needs another drone ship.

However, it's still an Amarr drone ship. It should not, under any circumstances, have more midslots than lowslots. Also, it needs to be usable without making the Dominix obselete.

I'd like to see something like
7 high slots
3-4 mid slots
7-8 low slots

10% drone hp, damage, mining yield, and repair amount per level
10% reduction in laser cap use per level

200-250m3 drone bay

The trick to keeping such a ship balanced is in the grid/cpu. Give it enough grid/cpu to fit most large lasers and a LARII, but not enough to fill up with Heavy Nos or Tachs without a few fitting mods.

There you have a ship that still flies like a something the Amarr would build, in that it has heavy armor and a sizable laser broadside, but also adds some variety to the otherwise dull 'tank or gank' selection.

Commander Thrawn
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.07.31 16:25:00 - [73]
 

6/6/7
275 drones capacity

4 turret hardpoint
5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness per skill level
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level.


Victavious Asmandi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.31 16:40:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Victavious Asmandi on 31/07/2006 16:40:29
You know, i am curious. Where is this Amarrian Loyalty i keep hearing about?

You know what I would have thought the propper Amarr responce would have been?

"You'll take what the emporers blessed fleet designers give you and you will like it!"

Sounds more Amarrian to me, lol.

Icomeinpeace
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.31 16:49:00 - [75]
 

Only problem I have is that there will be 8 turrets and only 1 bonus going towards them.Make it a rof & dmg bonus and you can make me one happpy amarrian.

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.31 17:56:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Hitomi Ayame

I'd like to see something like
7 high slots
3-4 mid slots
7-8 low slots

10% drone hp, damage, mining yield, and repair amount per level
10% reduction in laser cap use per level

200-250m3 drone bay



for a tier 3 i would suggest sth like this:
6-5-8
10% drone dmg/hitpoints
5% resists, cap recharge or some other tanking related bonus (or other non-laser bonus)

4 turrets + 1 launcher or maybe even 3 turrets + 2 launchers

reason why i wouldnt give it a laser bonus or more highslots/turret hardpoints is to make sure the drones stay its main weapon and it doenst get too much gankpower with 6 lasers, 3 heatsinks and the bonus-improved drones (havent really checked that as of yet but it seems like it could be a bit much).
as lasers require loads of powergrid adding more highslots/turret hardpoints would also require giving it a lot more grid to make it able to fit them.

also the domi has a hybrid dmg bonus as its 2nd bonus .. so making an amarrian drone-bs more of a tanker would provide some additional differences there.

for a tier 1 version just remove 1 medslot:
6-4-8, same bonuses


Crimson Matter
Posted - 2006.07.31 18:08:00 - [77]
 

Like everyone else is saying... the Abaddon is basically the same old stuff, we really would like something "new" and "fresh" in the Amarr line of ships. I know there are some RP points that need to stay consistent, but even Tuxford said in his dev blog on the tier 3 BS's that the new BS's shouldn't pwn the other battleships, instead they should excel at something different from what the existing battleships already do. Please give us something different. I would like a drone ship, but I don't really care, so long as its not the same old stuff we already have in the existing battleships.

Thank god we're still at a point where these designs are still in development... and I really hope we can persuade you devs to change said design. /signed

Rockpounder
Posted - 2006.07.31 18:47:00 - [78]
 

There will be no drone boat, the devs are not going to remodel the abaddon just beacuse 15 ppl on some forum whine about it.

The domi is getting nerfed so it wont be as good soon (EW NOS) what are you ppl going to whine for then? A missle BS maybe?

BillyBong2
Amarr
3OO
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2006.07.31 19:10:00 - [79]
 

^^ There are more then 15 people that wanted to see a Drone ship for the Amarr. People are whining becuase if we use what we are supposed for our ships, our damage can be tanked quite nicely. Amarrian do not have the varity to change up our damage like Caldari or Minmater.

Having drones would allow us a bit more flexibility. If an enemy knows they are going to be facing a fleet of Amarrians, they for the most part know what to tank against. Most of us, not all but most, did not train all Amarrian to have to train up projecticles to place on our ships to get a difference damage type.

I would like to see one Bonus be +35m3 drone space OR +10% damage/hit points/ blah blah for a drone ship.

The +35m3 would be at Amarr BS 5 175m3, with a base of 75m3, we would end up with 250m3.

Anyway, my thoughts after thinking about it for a while.

Bellatrix VanFeldt
Posted - 2006.08.01 02:20:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Bellatrix VanFeldt on 01/08/2006 02:51:21
Amarr drone tank idea. I'd suggest a refit of the geddon so the model wouldn't have to change.

Slots: 6/4/8 - 6 turrets - Needs to have 18 slots like domi, also have a strong tank. 6/5/8 for a higher-tier ship
Drone bay 250m^3 (not as good as the domi, but enough to carry some spares)
Standard 10%/level drone bonus
+10%/level drone hp. This gives HP parity between for a full load of drones between the dominix and this ship at the expense of versatility
+5%/level drone armor resistances. This gives an extra drone durability bonus to compensate for no laser or cap bonuses.
No ship bonuses
Fastish speed
Not too much grid (for Amarr)
Pretty good cpu

Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
Posted - 2006.08.01 04:50:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Madcat Adams on 01/08/2006 04:59:06
Originally by: Victavious Asmandi
Edited by: Victavious Asmandi on 31/07/2006 16:40:29
You know, i am curious. Where is this Amarrian Loyalty i keep hearing about?

You know what I would have thought the propper Amarr responce would have been?

"You'll take what the emporers blessed fleet designers give you and you will like it!"

Sounds more Amarrian to me, lol.


Rolling Eyes

Must be nice being one of the golden Caldari. Didn't the early initial stats released on test server show only 7 turret hard points on the new Caldari uber boat? Be seeing you on the Caldari whine thread after the tier 3's hit TQ. Razz Now leave us to fix our messed up stuff, less when faction warfare hits you end up fighting the combined Gallente/Miminitar fleets alone as all our stuff is too gimped to work and the Amarr stay home to work on explosive crystals. Twisted Evil

Duncan Storne
Posted - 2006.08.01 07:08:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Lisento Slaven

As it stands a ganking ship/tanking ship are already in the Amarr fleet...no need for a masquerading ganking/tanking ship. The Amarr would be mopping the floor with their faces if they fought any other racial fleet as it stands. I'm surprised the caldari would even want to ally with technologically inferior people.


"In chess the pawns go first..." Twisted Evil

Heiken Wimast
Amarr
Clan LoKi
R i s e
Posted - 2006.08.01 10:56:00 - [83]
 

Drone / EW / NOS just like little brothers curse/pilgrim. DOH ! Twisted Evil

Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.08.01 16:43:00 - [84]
 

CCP should have made tier 3s about its race getting the missing ships. Caldari missing railboat. Gallente missing blasterboat (and change the gun bonus to damp bonus on Domi). So far so good.

Now minnie and ammar: What were they missing? Minnie were missing a missle boat seeing as they use a lot of missles (as a secondary system) and that was fixed with giving the typhoon (the tier 1) a missle bonus and making it a much nicer ship than it was.

So ammar? Where they missing a drone ship that is consistent with their tech 1 frigs and cruisers as the second race weapon? Bullcrap. 1 cruiser that nobody ever used and was "sort of" a drone boat doesnt make an entire races secondary weapon. (it not like a prigression through classes like Caldari rails -Merlin Harpy Raptor Moa Eagle Ferox Old Scorpion etc- or the Gallente drones - Velator Incursus Imicus Taranis Ishtar Vecor Ishkkur Domi old Rax etc)

In fact more ammar designs were missle ships than drone ships.

So what should be the ammar "missing link". Easy: EW boat like the Scorp and the Domi with damp bonus (as it should be made) and a tier 1 not a tier 3. However tracking dirupt is a crappy EW compared to pre-nerf (as it stands) ECM. Hmmm what should the solution be?

Look at Curse and the other rekon thingy.

A tier 1 BS with low grid and good cpu. Balanced mids and lows. Few highs. Drones (room for 10 Heavies but with no bonus) and with a track dirupt bonus and a Nos bonus (10% range or 5% amount). Then take care of the Geddon (+1 mid and a bit of cpu) and Apoc (+1 mid or +1 low) as they are now tier 2 and 3 respectively.

That would have been perfect. It didnt happen. Why?

Because the ammar peeps saw the other races getting big us ships and so whined too much on these forums against the possibility if an EW ship or asked for a Drone ship (as the OP does here) that's tier 3 and an automatic "I win" button. What did they get in return? A nice ship but now they have more or less 3 BSs that could be rly 1 BS with 3 different popular fittings.

Moral: Be careful what you wish for...

Etherios
Amarr
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.08.01 16:56:00 - [85]
 

So ppl still want a drone ship... what can i say ...


Some of u are so narrow minded and so ... anything CCP will give us u will still whine about it... just to whine.

The new ships are very very well placed. After the HS nerfing (well some of the guys here might remmeber why that was nerfed ... omg Arma Pwns nerf nerf nerfffff) the Amarr was missing a good damage ship.

Amarr philosophy is damage and Tank wether ppl likes it or not. So ABaddon was needed to give amarr the pure damage they wanted.

Now u can all continue to whine about drone ships but i hope CCP wont give us one EVER. U lot can always go gallente ....

Rockpounder
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:00:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Etherios
U lot can always go gallente ....


No, they are amaar roleplayers I think so thats why they whine and whine here Rolling Eyes

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:05:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Etherios
So ppl still want a drone ship... what can i say ...


Some of u are so narrow minded and so ... anything CCP will give us u will still whine about it... just to whine.

The new ships are very very well placed. After the HS nerfing (well some of the guys here might remmeber why that was nerfed ... omg Arma Pwns nerf nerf nerfffff) the Amarr was missing a good damage ship.

Amarr philosophy is damage and Tank wether ppl likes it or not. So ABaddon was needed to give amarr the pure damage they wanted.

Now u can all continue to whine about drone ships but i hope CCP wont give us one EVER. U lot can always go gallente ....


I guess we'll just have to see then if the stats on the Abaddon actually do replace the armageddon and the apocalypse...because if you actually read what most people are arguing about - the new BS is not supposed to REPLACE any BS currently in the game. It's supposed to give a "new role" to the fleet lineup.

The bonuses don't suggest a new role for the amarr tier 3 BS that's all I know.

Sniser
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:18:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Originally by: Etherios
So ppl still want a drone ship... what can i say ...


Some of u are so narrow minded and so ... anything CCP will give us u will still whine about it... just to whine.

The new ships are very very well placed. After the HS nerfing (well some of the guys here might remmeber why that was nerfed ... omg Arma Pwns nerf nerf nerfffff) the Amarr was missing a good damage ship.

Amarr philosophy is damage and Tank wether ppl likes it or not. So ABaddon was needed to give amarr the pure damage they wanted.

Now u can all continue to whine about drone ships but i hope CCP wont give us one EVER. U lot can always go gallente ....


I guess we'll just have to see then if the stats on the Abaddon actually do replace the armageddon and the apocalypse...because if you actually read what most people are arguing about - the new BS is not supposed to REPLACE any BS currently in the game. It's supposed to give a "new role" to the fleet lineup.

The bonuses don't suggest a new role for the amarr tier 3 BS that's all I know.


doesnt exist any possible new role in fleet using drones Wink since drones sux for fleets Cool

Etherios
Amarr
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:21:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Lisento Slaven

I guess we'll just have to see then if the stats on the Abaddon actually do replace the armageddon and the apocalypse...because if you actually read what most people are arguing about - the new BS is not supposed to REPLACE any BS currently in the game. It's supposed to give a "new role" to the fleet lineup.

The bonuses don't suggest a new role for the amarr tier 3 BS that's all I know.


Yes i know but i dont think it will replace arma or apoc because Arma is a cheap bs for close range(if u can have that with amarr) and apoc is for tanking/npcing. Now they give us the best fleet ship and the best 30k+ heavy hitting bs (besides the missile ships ofc ...)

That arma can be a fleet ship or that Apoc can be one doesnt mean that its role is that. Apoc can do all but mediocre as arma. Abaddon can gank big time and tank a bit.

I still think Arma is lot better up close and the Apoc is lot better tanker. So u have 3 ships with similar possibilities yes but they are all proficient in diferent areas.

U need to remmeber Amarr are hard to change and love power (laser/tank).

The only place that will replace all amarr ships is in fleets. Now there is no need for an Amarr to fly anything else than Abaddon in fleets.

Abaddon Fleets.
Arma Close range.
Apoc Npcer/noser. (its bad because i love this ship but it was never good at PvP)

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 17:34:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Crellion

1 cruiser that nobody ever used and was "sort of" a drone boat doesnt make an entire races secondary weapon.



do you even know what the arbitrator is? "sort of a drone boat? its jsut as much "sort of" a droneboat as the vexor or domi.
the arbi is easily our most powerful/useful t1 crusier and its t2 varients rank high with the t2 cruisers. when you say "nobody ever uses" it i assume you mean pilots who dont use amarrian ships for pvp or pilots who have for some strange reason decided to use cruiser which are less suited for that.

also: as far as secondary weapons go there arent that many to chose from and i would think that as far as amarrian ships go drones qualify for that position a lot mroe than missiles.

Originally by: Crellion

In fact more ammar designs were missle ships than drone ships.



1. amarr

2. hmm that sounds somewhat new to me.
aside from the t1 missile frig and the stealthbomber (which all races get) we dont have any dedicated missile ships out there. most of those who do indeed have 1 or even 2 launcher hardpoints also sport a dronebay so that doesnt make missiles our prefered secondary weapons.

on the other hand we do have a dedicated drone cruiser and two tech2 variants of it.

Originally by: Crellion

tier1 ewar boat proposal



an ewar bs would be just as well suited to solve our versatility/predictability issues as a droneboat. as would a missile boat or a split setup like the typhoon. you wont hear me complaining about such a ship.

i simply prefer a droneboat (also as a tier 1 version btw.) because i happen to fly amarrian ships and unlike you managed to pick up on what we are using already. and a droneboat would fit a lot better with our current fleets than a missileship or ewarboat (mainly due to the traditional lack of medslots...also lots of med and lots of lows doenst seem to be very good idea for balance reasons)


Originally by: Crellion

That would have been perfect. It didnt happen. Why?

Because the ammar peeps saw the other races getting big us ships and so whined too much on these forums against the possibility if an EW ship or asked for a Drone ship (as the OP does here) that's tier 3 and an automatic "I win" button. What did they get in return? A nice ship but now they have more or less 3 BSs that could be rly 1 BS with 3 different popular fittings.

Moral: Be careful what you wish for...


hmm another thing i dont seem to recall...amarrian pilots were whining at the possibility of an ewar boat? when was that even suggested in any major way?

i do remember people asking for automatic "i win" buttons though. most of those are the ones who want the abaddon to get 2 damage bonuses.


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