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Gungankllr
Caldari
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Territorial Claim Unit
Posted - 2006.07.26 09:23:00 - [1]
 

So anyhow, I took a break from the 0.0 life for a little bit, wanted to get the Caldari faction up a bit for Kali.

I've been in some monster fleet lagfests, like in the EC-P8R operation, and others. I've been through BM induced lag hell.

My computer is rock solid in every aspect.

Then I do missions.

I crash about 1-2 times every play session when I'm doing L4 missions.

The system isn't a big one, local isn't all that full. (Usually around 30 people)

So I crash yet again, this time on a pretty hard mission that I have JUST started. (i.e. full capacitor, drones are all alive, properly tanked for the NPC type, proper damage type)

By the time I log back in, I'm at about 10% capacitor, I'm scrambled by a zergling horde of frigates, and there's nothing substantial enough within NOS range to keep me alive long enough to kill the frigs and warp out.

So anyhow, after dying and saying some colorful language, I think to petiton, because about two years ago I was reimbursed for exactly the same thing.

Oh, but not so. There's a clause now that if the crash isn't server related, CCP is not responsible. That and the fact that there's a 5000 petition backlog.

Ok, fine. I'll take the two hundred mill faction loss in the pants, at least I was insured.

and at least some of the more important faction stuff survived in my can.

Oh, but wait!

I didn't BM the can, and I cancelled the mission to retrieve it.

This is the second account I've had, I started playing after beta, but I've been faithfully loyal for years.

If I die in PVP, or to NPC's because of stupidity, I don't get all angry because you should expect to die.

Anyways, I don't think I'm going to continue playing Eve.

I get too attached to little digital bits, and I care too much about this game to be as angry at it as I am now.

I'd like to thank Nebulai for his kind words on my writing, he's the only developer/ccp employee I've ever spoken with.

I suppose after I click post on this topic, I'll go look at the cancel subscription button for a good while.

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EvilNate
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.07.26 09:49:00 - [2]
 

Have you tried working the the GM's to figure out whats causing the problem. You can run all sorts of nifty proggies that tell you what exception was cause at the time of crash, which you then submit and they analise.

They can't fix something if they don't know what caused it, can't replicated the problem, or no one reports it.

So if your really off, don't suppose I could have some stuff? Wink

J/K, get the problem sorted before you give up.

Nate.

Novarei
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:06:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Novarei on 26/07/2006 10:08:02
Re-imbursement & Sympathy petition


1. I was;

[ ] In Jita
[ ] Hauling 2bn in my 200k hauler
[ ] Sitting in a safe spot
[ ] In Jita
[ ] Mining
[ ] At a gate
[ ] In Jita
[ ] Mission running
[ ] AFK
[ ] Ratting
[ ] Macroing


2. When I was;

[ ] Ganked
[ ] Podded
[ ] Ridiculed
[ ] Scammed
[ ] Lagged
[ ] Killed by NPCs
[ ] Banned
[ ] Concordokkened


3. This is because;

[ ] They were 3 years old and had a lot more SP
[ ] The escrow system
[ ] Concord arenít good enough, NY Cops are better
[ ] This kind of thing doesnít happen in real life
[ ] BoB are devs
[ ] X ship is overpowered
[ ] My PC cant run EvE properly
[ ] Pirates are evil
[ ] 0.0 space is filled with gank squads and gate camps
[ ] I was stupid
[ ] They were using an exploit
[ ] X aspect of the game is not true to real life


4. I want;

[ ] Compensation
[ ] Re-imbursement
[ ] X to be banned
[ ] Advice on which alliance to join
[ ] Devs to change everything to suit me
[ ] To get a free 10m SP upon making a new character
[ ] A system where people cant scam other than using my brain
[ ] For everyone to know X is a scammer/ganked me/is smelly
[ ] X to be nerfed
[ ] Y to be boosted


5. In conclusion;

[ ] The devs need to listen to me/us.
[ ] The forums are a cesspit.
[ ] Iím leaving EvE.
[ ] For WoW.
[ ] I want isk.
[ ] I hate X.
[ ] My alt has XXm SP :p
[ ] Donít reply to this post unless you agree with me.
[ ] I will flame you if you donít.
[ ] I am right, everyone else is wrong.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:07:00 - [4]
 

Have you tried simple things like replacing your router?

I haven't crashed once in the year since I replaced my Linksys router. Before that I would crash 3-5 times an hour.

Tachy
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:14:00 - [5]
 

Do you have ingame sound disabled?
Some sound effects crash some systems ... since beta.

EvilNate
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:22:00 - [6]
 

I think it might be something game related, unless he changed something in game, cause he said he'd been fine for ages before the move to missioning.

SonOTassadar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:32:00 - [7]
 

Can I have your stuff?

Kamikazi ONE
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.07.26 10:44:00 - [8]
 

I think the client is less stable since the last patch.

Before the patch I could run 2 clients with sound on one of them, but recently as soon as I start up the second client it crashes the PC (even with sound turned off on both).

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2006.07.26 11:18:00 - [9]
 

I would have sympathy but I run two instances of EvE on the same computer - which is a 1.7 ghz Pentium 4, with 1 gig of Ram and a Radeon 6600.

I can honestly say that EvE has crashed once in the last 30 days that I can remember. I am usually very critical of EvE and CCP but when it comes to robustness I think EvE is one of the most stable programs that I run on my PC.

I make my fortune running missions to fund my wars and considering the sheer number of mission runners there are and the lack of similiar problems to yours I think its a problem with your computer and EvE rather then just EvE.

Something about sound rings a bell but I cant remember the specifics sorry.

Tao Han
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Blade.
Posted - 2006.07.26 11:19:00 - [10]
 

CIHYS?

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.26 11:24:00 - [11]
 

a netural opinion this week has been bad for some reason esp if youre a US based player us aussies are fine and minimal issues from UK - going on some corp mates anaysis looks like its comcast playing up again (but yes the issues have been even occouring in 0.0) a lack of server resources during peak times or just some other issues iwth nearby systems having a lot of data going on.

Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
the undivided
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2006.07.26 11:44:00 - [12]
 

And this kiddies is why NO ONE should run missions, other than the fact its a carebearing activity Embarassed

Can I have your stuff ?


Alliaanna

Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Posted - 2006.07.26 12:11:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 26/07/2006 12:12:36


Originally by: Kamikazi ONE
I think the client is less stable since the last patch.

Before the patch I could run 2 clients with sound on one of them, but recently as soon as I start up the second client it crashes the PC (even with sound turned off on both).

QFFT!

-> Before the last patch everything was sweet
-> After last patch I get 20-30 CTD's a day for a week.

Q. What changed?
A. The database code.

Occam's Razor hypothesis: The patch was borked duh!

Now clearly CCP have been fixing up crappy coding here and there since the last "patch" because things aren't as bad, but the client is still unstable on a wide range of machines, on different networks, in different countries (see recent Known Issues threads for confirmation).

whopper
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.07.26 17:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Kamikazi ONE
I think the client is less stable since the last patch.

Before the patch I could run 2 clients with sound on one of them, but recently as soon as I start up the second client it crashes the PC (even with sound turned off on both).

QFFT!

-> Before the last patch everything was sweet
-> After last patch I get 20-30 CTD's a day for a week.

Q. What changed?
A. The database code.

Occam's Razor hypothesis: The patch was borked duh!



hi,
i used my mac mini as a router (BSD ftw) before the last big patch and it worked perfect. however, after the big patch my eve client crashed often. i decided to connect direct to the internet without a router between my eve pc and my cable modem. since that day i had no crash of the eve client( ~4 months). if someone has problems with crashing and is using a router i would advice him to connect direct to the internet.

-whopper
feel the fire

St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.26 17:43:00 - [15]
 

I had a problem that sounded EXACTLY the same.

It turned out to be to do with my house phone system.

First of all call your broadband provider to find out how strong your broadband signal is.
If it is weak that will be at least part of the problem.

Then find out where the main line is in your home [this is where your house connect to the phone network. Then see if between your computer and the main line if there are any other phone points between them.

If htere is this may be your problem you see phone points even unused ones and ones with filters will weaken the broadband signal. So if the signal is weak to begine with then as you can see havin it weaken further is a bad thing.

The solution to this is to create a dedicate line from your computer to the main line with no other branch offs.


Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Posted - 2006.07.26 18:37:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: whopper
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: Kamikazi ONE
I think the client is less stable since the last patch.

Before the patch I could run 2 clients with sound on one of them, but recently as soon as I start up the second client it crashes the PC (even with sound turned off on both).

QFFT!

-> Before the last patch everything was sweet
-> After last patch I get 20-30 CTD's a day for a week.

Q. What changed?
A. The database code.

Occam's Razor hypothesis: The patch was borked duh!



i used my mac mini as a router (BSD ftw) before the last big patch and it worked perfect. however, after the big patch my eve client crashed often. i decided to connect direct to the internet without a router between my eve pc and my cable modem. since that day i had no crash of the eve client( ~4 months). if someone has problems with crashing and is using a router i would advice him to connect direct to the internet.

Great general advice, but I don't use a router.

And today, windows reported the following after yet another CTD for me:-

--------
Runtime Error!

Eve/bin/ExeFile.exe

R6025

- pure virtual function call
--------

This indicates a programming error in the Eve exe file.

Gungankllr
Caldari
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Territorial Claim Unit
Posted - 2006.07.26 18:53:00 - [17]
 

And the bugreporting page is down.
Quote:

File created 2006.07.26 08:25:26
<string>:598: FutureWarning: hex()/oct() of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up

<string>:974: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float

An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #3
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #4
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #5
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #6
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #7
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #8
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #9
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #10
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #11
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #30
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #46




Quote:


File created 2006.07.26 05:25:18
<string>:2551: FutureWarning: hex()/oct() of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up

<string>:2563: FutureWarning: hex()/oct() of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up

An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #3
<string>:598: FutureWarning: hex()/oct() of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up

<string>:974: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float

An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #11




Quote:


File created 2006.07.26 07:44:43
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #1
An exception has occurred. It has been logged in the log server as exception #2
<string>:598: FutureWarning: hex()/oct() of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up

<string>:974: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float




Anyways, this post wasn't intended as a woe is me I'm an attention ***** attempt at notoriety, I'm just tired of this singular problem.


Sveldt
Posted - 2006.07.26 18:57:00 - [18]
 

Is it bad of me to open this thread and go looking for the first post asking for the OPs stuff while completely ignoring everything else?

Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2006.07.26 19:48:00 - [19]
 

I'm not sure if this post is relating to you in general Gungankillr since I know you have been around in this game for a good long time but sometimes you can think your system is rock solid and yet at times EVE will find its little *****s in its armor and exploit them.

My old system I had played eve for about 1.5 yrs and then a patch came out and it was crashing all the time. For the longest time I cursed eve and almost quit since it was the only program on my comp that would crash. I was 100% my system was stable as hell since eve was the only thing that crashed on it.

After about 2 weeks of investigating my system I found something as simple as a tiny little memory hole between my 2 sticks of ram and it seemed when eve had run for a certain period it used up just enough ram to hit this hole and crash. Funny thing was all of my other programs that used way more ram then eve were never effected by this only eve and thats why the prob was so hard to track down.

In the end after all that cursing at eve that it was crashing my super stable system it was actually a prob in my system that was at fault. I'm still amazed none of my other programs that used way more ram never crashed from the same prob... go figure.


The point of my story is you can never assume its not a problem with the hardware on your end even if everything else on your system runs fine. EVE can be a very cruel picky master at times.


P.S. In my 3 yrs playing I have found other little things that have caused eve to crash but most the time its things like drivers. I never thought of the router one so I'm glad I saw that one on this thread.

Admiral Pieg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.26 19:50:00 - [20]
 

hum, i dunno, ive been reimbursed everytime ive lost my ship to a mission due to crashes and it has happened 3-4 times so far.

Nowadays i only accept missions where the warp in aggro isnt extreme (enemies abound) and my tank can hold long enough for me to log back in and wtfpwn whatever is attacking me if i were to crash. I also run reppers and hardeners before i warp into a mission (lost my ship once because the game crapped out mid-warp and it took me 3 minutes to get back in).

Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.26 19:54:00 - [21]
 

It's most likely hardware on your end thats causing the problem. I had similar issues, 1 day i took appart my entire system, cleaned all the dust out of the fans/heatsink/ etc etc and put ina better fan, things ran a lot smoother after that until my motherboard was on it's last leg, lots of crashes then too. Got a new motherboard, cpu and cooling system and i rarely crash anymore.

LVSOCOM
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2006.07.26 20:26:00 - [22]
 

Have any of you (getting ctd's) tried running in window mode? I used to get them alot (the one where it shows no error box, eve just closes) and switching to windowed mode fixed it completely.

Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:01:00 - [23]
 

I thought I'd add to all the "I had a problem and it was..." responses.

A few months back, after a patch, I had terrible problems with crashes and lockups. It drove me to despair - I lost lots of ISK because the machine would always crash at the worse moment. It only happened in EvE and nothing else, including CPU, memory and graphics stress tests, could replicate the problem.

Turned out to be dodgy RAM. For a while, though, I was *sure* it was EvE because nothing else would cause a lockup.

Kenneys
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:31:00 - [24]
 

Hiyas gungankllr,

Here are my suggestions:

1) As usual.. first do the drivers. www.omegadrivers.net

2) Next, also the usual stuff, scan your pc with avg, ewido, lavasoft, hackthis.

Now after we've done the usual typical stuff... we can move on to something a bit more complicated.

3) Get temperature monitoring programs. Monitor the cpu, harddrive, and videocard temperatures.

4) If it's your CPU, then take apart your cpu, and see if there's enough thermal paste. If not, buy some, slap some on, and retry.

4) Everything's fine? Then it's time to start taking apart your PC! Wuuu!! My advice here is to borrow a friend's pc, if not, buy the following parts from say.. compusa or fry's outpost (you will be returning these, so no worries).

Buy/borrow the following:
ram, videocard, motherboard, cpu in that order. Start replacing em one by one until you get no crashes. Voila, then return everything else. mwahahhahaa.

Hope that helped. 0_o

Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
I thought I'd add to all the "I had a problem and it was..." responses.




Well I was just mentioning everytime I have cursed out EVE and CCP it has 98% of the time been something that has snuck into my 'rock solid machine'.

I just decided to back it with a story... Laughing

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:42:00 - [26]
 

I'm with DS on this one. I'm betting its router related (if you are connected to a cable modem/dsl modem via a router).

Same problems with disconnects and all sorts of assorted wierdness. Replaced the router and no more wierd crash/disconnects.

Even more...I don't even play via windows. As some of you know, I use Linux and cedega, so technically I ought to be even more susceptible to wierd crashing due to client problems than most........yet I never crash, and the CTD's have been limited in the last few months to actual cable ISP issues. (as in comcast.)

I have sympathy for you Gungankllr...there is NOTHING more irritating than just trying to enjoy something and have mechanical difficulties ruin the best laid plans.

Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:48:00 - [27]
 

Reinstall EVE, reinstall comp, reinstall sound drives, reinstall graphics drives. 95% chance of success!

Ijaz
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.26 23:23:00 - [28]
 

Quite frankly, client crashes are inexcusable in a PvP game where item loss occurs.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.07.26 23:43:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ijaz
Quite frankly, client crashes are inexcusable in a PvP game where item loss occurs.
Shocked

Lorieen
AQ Militis Seprentia
Posted - 2006.07.26 23:53:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ijaz
Quite frankly, client crashes are inexcusable in a PvP game where item loss occurs.


Shocked CCP can control how the internet and your machine works? Intriguing!


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