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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.07.26 02:11:00 - [1]
 

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Unlike most Gallente ship manufacturers, Roden Shipyards tend to favor missiles over drones and their ships generaly possess stronger armor. Their electronics capacity, however, tends to be weaker than ships from their competitors.


Manufactures of:

Enyo
Eris
Ares
Lachesis



Personnaly, I think the concept is great, providing the alternative, but its so rarely appricated by gallente pilots mainly due to the unrelated skills needed to pilot these ships.

But this isn't my gripe.
Far from it, I see tremendos potencial in this manufacturer if several of there defining features where enhanced universally throughout there range of ships.

Re-gig the Grid
Restore balance to the power grids, as currently, they have 10% less grid than there counterparts.

Having to fit a reactor control unit, or MAPC just to have the right amount of grid to fit the correct modules (eg missiles on the ares +guns or nos) and thus negating the potencial for a tank is counter productive.


Lachesis???Consistancy?
For some reason, the Arazu and Lachesis seem to have the slot layouts mixed up... whatever...Rolling Eyes


Speed instead of Tank?
Right now, every Roden ship is on average 5% faster than there gallente counterpart.
But strangely slightly heavier, than both gallente and racial counterparts. I assume that this is due to an modest increase to armour hp.
I say, remove the improved armour infavor of ships being 5% lighter than it's gallente counterparts.
Faster and lighter blaster Enyo, a better interdictor, and in the Ares, something along with the next point, could actually stand up to the Crow.


Missile Bonues
The Ares and Eris both depend on missiles for it's main soruce of offensive ablities.
I do not want to see more missile slots on either or any roden ship. however, having missile bonuses that hold a candle to those given by caldari ships would be an excelent idea.
10% instead of 5% bonus to thermal missile damage per level
on all Roden ships.
AND
5% increase to missile maximum velocity per level for all roden ships.
With increased, speed ship speed, increased missile range, with the correct damage bonus, the Ares and (and possibly Eris) would actually be a viaible option in todays current PvP enviroment suitign a combat style which would in effect suit the lack of tackling ablities built into these ships.


Rocket Bonuses?
They would be useful, adding to the flexiblity of these ships, however, having hese in place of any existing bonuses would be counter productive.

McTaggart
Gallente
Posted - 2006.07.26 04:10:00 - [2]
 

/signed

If you're going to have a split weapon system with one bonus affecting each one at least make the bonuses decent.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2006.07.26 07:43:00 - [3]
 

I think every ship with split weapon system should have additional free bonus for another weapon system. Even if those ships will end up with more bonuses, it wouldn't make them overpowered or preferrable to other ships, because even with this they won't be as effective as one weapon system ships, which have to use only one type of damage mod instead of two.

Wintermoon
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:44:00 - [4]
 

Carry the light for our bright red/pink future!

Make my red pets useful... Neutral

Kyozoku
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:52:00 - [5]
 

I want a pink hac.

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:58:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kyozoku
I want a pink hac.

maybe the t2 BC for the tier 2 hull... :P
but roden need to get there act together first1!!11

Taurgil
Konstrukteure der Zukunft
Posted - 2006.07.29 15:12:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
I think every ship with split weapon system should have additional free bonus for another weapon system. Even if those ships will end up with more bonuses, it wouldn't make them overpowered or preferrable to other ships, because even with this they won't be as effective as one weapon system ships, which have to use only one type of damage mod instead of two.


/signed as current solution is crap

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.07.29 15:24:00 - [8]
 

The reason isn't that Gallente pilots lack the missile skills, the reason is that Gallente pilots tend not to want to fly CALDARI ships when they've trained for GALLENTE ships.

That said, the Enyo is a great turret ship. Roden Shipyard's only good, working, design. Let's just face it, Gallente ships with missiles is about as wrong as Amarr ships with missiles.

Of the three mayor developers, the arena currently looks like this:
CreoDron - drone ships
Duvolle - Turret and high-tech (cloakers) ships
Roden - 50/50 designs.

What would be a lot better would be:
CreoDron - Drone ships. Ares, Ishkur, Ishtar, Lachesis, and Eos
Duvolle - High-tech. Helios, Nemisis, Oneiros, and Arazu
Roden - Turret ships. Taranis, Enyo, Eris, Deimos, and Astarte
And then leave missile use for Caldari and Minmatar, whom are either already main missile races or already have a strong missile characteristic. Note that with a similar paradigm change, the necessary changes have been marked with italic.

Not that it'd ever happen. The damage has already been dealt. We're stuck with a few sorry excuses for ships (Ares being first and foremost of the sorry excuses).

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2006.07.29 17:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 29/07/2006 17:05:15
/Signed for ares changes Cool

@Ithildin: Missiles aint that caldari and i have trained lvl 4 light missile spec for ares, so dont feck it up k..

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2006.07.29 17:48:00 - [10]
 

/signed

those changes to ares would be VERY nice :D

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.07.29 18:10:00 - [11]
 

I hate Roden ships, the Enyo is forgiven for looking sexy, and the Lachesis because i love its function in fleets, but the rest, urgh. Someone bankrupt that company please.

Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2006.07.29 19:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kyozoku
I want a pink hac.


There was plans for a pink deimos which made it into the items db AGES back. However, pink and thorax shaped would have never been flown, purely out of shame.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2006.07.29 20:00:00 - [13]
 

Enyo is the only decent Roden Shipyards ship, and thats because its a turret ship. Ares had severe fitting problems even before the standard launchers were increased, now its just abysmal. Lachesis is pointless because its damage output and tanking advantage don't even come close to being worth the loss of covert ops cloak. Its only use is for fleet, and even I question the usefulness of paying 55mil for a disruptor bonus that won't get used, when you can pay 4mil and fly a Celestis.

Eris is just.. ugh.

Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.29 20:10:00 - [14]
 

tbh if I wanted missiles I'd fly caldari. Don't force missiles on gallente, that sucks. Gun/hybrid combo already exists with caldari, ballance guns/ew/drones instead.

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.07.29 21:58:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Enyo is the only decent Roden Shipyards ship, and thats because its a turret ship. Ares had severe fitting problems even before the standard launchers were increased, now its just abysmal. Lachesis is pointless because its damage output and tanking advantage don't even come close to being worth the loss of covert ops cloak. Its only use is for fleet, and even I question the usefulness of paying 55mil for a disruptor bonus that won't get used, when you can pay 4mil and fly a Celestis.

Eris is just.. ugh.


Enyarr is horrible. It just looks real nice

Kollgorholl
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.29 22:09:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Valea Silpha
Originally by: Kyozoku
I want a pink hac.


There was plans for a pink deimos which made it into the items db AGES back. However, pink and thorax shaped would have never been flown, purely out of shame.



It's called the Phobos.

click on ships, then elite cruisers and you'll find it listed about 2/3 of the way down

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.29 22:29:00 - [17]
 

Its not pink, its roden red!

Linavin
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.07.30 00:39:00 - [18]
 

I have two problems:

1. With your proposed bonuses the enyo would die a horrible death as a turrent ship with only one missile hardpoint (i.e. become the ares of Assault Frigs)

2. Gallente have proven to be, in 90% of their ships, to be the antithesis of the missile ship. The few gallente 'missile' ships all serve little purpose and generally never get used except by a ballsy and/or stupid few. It pains me that a ship like the Eris (or all interdictors save the sabre) is a missile ship. To the race which almost always solely uses guns, I feel the emphasis on missile ships in misplaced. At least let one race use turrets 100% of the time as a primary weapon.

Kyozoku
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Linavin
turrent ship


Any point you tried to make is now invalid. Learn to spell before posting on the forums.

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2006.07.30 17:16:00 - [20]
 

to be honest, turrents on any anti interceptor ship that has to deal with fast moving targets at close range is a bad idea...

Thats why I support missiles on the Ares and Eris...

They no just need the right bonuses to compete

Serj Darek
Posted - 2006.08.02 07:52:00 - [21]
 

The funny thing is, if you look in this waaaaaay outdated db.
Elite Dominix Rodin

Woahaha PINK DOMI 4TW!

Yual
Minmatar
Reign of the Jabberwock
Posted - 2006.08.02 13:09:00 - [22]
 

OMG I'd fly a Phobos. That pinkish red with the black insets reminds me of a ship/mech from somewhere else, that I cant remember... but dammit that looks GREAT.

Sprak
Donner Party
B4D W01F
Posted - 2006.08.03 01:14:00 - [23]
 

Signed. Ares needs to be ungimped. It has no suitable role, as it can't tackle nearly as well as the Taranis, and the mixed gun/missile slots is absolutely pointless. Make this the Gallente version of the Crusader and GIVE ME BLASTERS

Karl Shade
Entropy associates
Posted - 2006.08.03 02:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc

Missile Bonues
The Ares and Eris both depend on missiles for it's main soruce of offensive ablities.
I do not want to see more missile slots on either or any roden ship. however, having missile bonuses that hold a candle to those given by caldari ships would be an excelent idea.
10% instead of 5% bonus to thermal missile damage per level
on all Roden ships.




Originally by: Raptor
5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage per level


Split weapon systems, split bonus. Unless you want a purely missile Ares to wich IŽd say no bloody way.

Other than that. Yep.

Syn Stalkyr
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2006.08.03 12:43:00 - [25]
 

I'd like some changes to.

For those spouting that races need to be pure this weapon or that, it's like saying only elves can use bows and arrows and every other race is too stupid to figure it out. Or only the USA can use shoulder fired rocket systems. Riiiiiight. And to jump back into an in-game reference, the Gallente and Caldari were of the same federation for years and had joint development and research. I think the Gallente would know a thing or two about missiles from all of that.

Since there are always at least two ships to choose from at any given time for a role, have your ubar pwnmobile of d00m, but let us crazy "newbs" have our alternate ship that requires thought and heaving planning and skills to make it work. Now we just need CCP to give us the right bonuses and fittings to make it work.


 

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