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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 00:43:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 17/07/2006 00:44:19
I enjoy fighting for conqueorable space.
I enjoy making ISK hand over fist.
I enjoy losing my frigate in a suicide rush towards a T2 sniping battleship.
I really don't care too much about the politics of the game.
And I have only been playing this game for a month.
I am a member of Goonswarm.



Zeitgueist
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 00:47:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile

Seriously. It's like the only requirement for directorship in GF is that you're sitting for the bar within the year.


This should help people understand our directorship a little better, so I'm quoting it again. Also, keep in mind that Goonfleet initially recruited out of the debate forum at SA. So basically everyone who's been in Goonfleet for a while (and some who haven't) LIVE to debate. And those debates get nasty. Hopefully this helps you guys understand all of this.

As for Remedial, yeah he's an ******* sometimes, and I wish he's play nicer with the directors, but you need to have an ******* to run a corp of 2000 other *******s. That, and he's a hell of a field commander.

Body Count
Minmatar
Necrosys Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:21:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Alois Zimmer

I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.


I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. *snip*

Please do not discuss possible exploits on the forums - Serathu ([email protected])

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:28:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Body Count
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception.


If you expect people to ask permission and give warning before launching offensives, you may lack critical thinking skills.

Body Count
Minmatar
Necrosys Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:32:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Body Count
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception.


If you expect people to ask permission and give warning before launching offensives, you may lack critical thinking skills.
No, but when you the newcomer launch offensives on more established groups don't expect to be welcomed with open arms and hot cocoa.

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:38:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Body Count
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2.
Actually goonfleet entered fighting with D2 several months ago when we helped ERA in Branch and Tribute (since BOS, who formed ERA after ATUK left the five, gave us our big start in 0.0 space). Ever since that time D2 have rewarded our commitment to our friends by sending regular gank squads to our home system, piling HACs and multi-millions of skillpoints against newbies in mining cruisers. Such honour! Our "attack" on D2 is in fact a response to months of ganking and forum smack from them.

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You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES.
Since those established players drone on and on about "fun fights" and "more targets" I would expect a pat on the back for us for bringing 2000 "more targets" into the "fun fights". Isn't that what it's all about?

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:40:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: fmercury on 17/07/2006 01:40:01
That's pretty much how I remeber the GF director's forum being. I'm not really surprised by reading that.

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:42:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Body Count
No, but when you the newcomer launch offensives on more established groups don't expect to be welcomed with open arms and hot cocoa.
What do you call it again in the real world when the big kids want to stand over the little kids and demand respect for their size and strength? There's a word, starts with "b", can't remember what it is...

We're here to have fun and achieve what we can. All of the old dragons were young once and I find it surprising and a little disappointing that some of them react the way you are reacting to a group like goonswarm that is driven by energy and excitement to try new things. If you could see how new, and fresh and amazing all of this feels to us you would wish you'd never played Eve before just so you could play it again from our perspective. Goonswarm is an endless party with guns.

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:42:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:45:03
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:43:16
Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 01:42:30
Originally by: Body Count
I think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. *snip*


1) While we did agress NORAD -- largely because we needed more people to fight, this is a pvp game after all -- d2 and its predecessor [G] have a long history of unprovoked aggression against us and our allies. As early as late 2005 -- ie, within the first month or two of Goonfleet's existence -- [G] fleets were routinely harassing our newbie members in Syndicate in search of cheap ganks. It is hardly suprising that those same newbies hold a long term grudge, but to claim that grudge is Goonfleet agression is to warp and rewrite history. If d2 didn't want to face Goonfleet aggression now, then [G] shouldn't have spent so much time harassing Goonfleet newbies back last year. Since that time, we've faced continued aggression from [g] as long as it existed and from [d2] after the reformation, and our allies such as ERA have as well. So it is absolutely nonsensical to claim that our attacks on d2 were unprovoked, or that Goonfleet was the initial aggressor against d2.

*snip*

Removed reference to deleted post - Serathu ([email protected])

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:53:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: fmercury on 17/07/2006 01:56:55
Originally by: Dianabolic

Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.

Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.



Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.

Cythereon
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:57:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Dianabolic

Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.

Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.



Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.

fmercury
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:58:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Cythereon

You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.


I can think of a few :)

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:01:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Cythereon

You are held in complete comtempt by 100% of the goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon inside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise you.


Is this intentionally ironic? I can't tell.

djNME
Minmatar
DAB
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:05:00 - [134]
 

"By the way Lorth, I am considering an "inciting to flame" addendum to go into our warning generator system, and I am tempted to call it "To Lorth a thread is to ask people to flame".

Now that is just funny stuff! The rest of this drama crap; I hope to see it pan out as it has on the battle field.DAB logs on for PVP so, please keep attempting to bring it.Twisted Evil

Anyways lorth 4tw on the qoute.

-djNME

bombasstitties
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:20:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: bombass******* on 17/07/2006 02:25:48
You know what, nevermind.

Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:28:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: fmercury
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.


Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.

Raste
Minmatar
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: fmercury

Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


While I know you speak for some others besides yourself 100% is a little on the high side, merc :D

I don't despise him, doubt I'm the only one.

Shachar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 03:18:00 - [138]
 

Arguing about the same old stuff is useless. Arguing about who is right and who is wrong does not matter either. All that matters is who has the strength to win. I am not going to offer a opinion about that, and I am not interested in others' opinions about it. So lets keep having space battles and we will find out for real.

The Speaker
Gallente
The Clue Factory
Posted - 2006.07.17 03:46:00 - [139]
 

Something to strongly consider is that, in all likelihood neither side is going to be able to "win" at the current pace and with the current players involved. Really, take a step back and look at the situation: no matter how touted each side thinks their strengths are, there are clearly weaknesses on either side that can be exploited to great effect. This is delightful to some and at the deep, dark heart of bitter denial for others.

Achieving a true "victory" is difficult when dealing with committed alliances, unlike a large number of alliances in game that roll over and play dead or run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. So, heaps and heaps of the overrated "respect" to both sides for at least being committed to this war for whatever their reasons might be.

Go out there and have fun blowing each other up, that's what the game's really about. Well, unless the call of Jitaroids is too strong.

ISD Serathu


Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2006.07.17 04:10:00 - [140]
 

May I remind you that this is not the place for discussions regarding Goonfleet's tactics. In addition, the discussion of exploits or potential exploits is not welcome on the forums.

Please keep it on-topic in here.

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2006.07.17 04:33:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile
Originally by: fmercury
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.


Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.


False.

Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:05:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile
Originally by: fmercury
Remedial is held in complete contempt by 100% of the non-goonfleet goon community. I can't think of a single goon outside of goonfleet that doesn't absolutley despise him.


Most of these folks were closely associated with him in other incarnations of Goon corps, and were left with a decidedly bitter taste in their mouths.


Selection bias. Everyone who doesn't absolutely despise Remedial is still in Goonswarm.

Well, then he's still wrong.
False.

ZaKma
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:11:00 - [143]
 

With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial.

I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:16:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Body Count
think the hostility is due to your own actions. Goonfleet came out of nowhere with hostilities to NORAD and D2. You come out of nowhere attacking established groups with players who've been in Eve since it's inception. EXPECT HOSTILITIES. *snip*



Oh my.

So, basically, we're n00bs, and how dare we attack and beat people with more sp than us? People with 'established' alliances and two years of training under their belts?

In all honesty, blowing people like you up is the entire reason why Goonswarm exists. With an attitude like that, you're practically begging for it.

Also, we hardly attacked D2 out of nowhere, they've been sending ganksquads to our homeland ever since Tribute. Next!

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:23:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Alaesa
I love the goonspam


Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.

Im laying bets on 3 months.




PEAK GOONS


Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:32:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Rebellion on 17/07/2006 05:35:54
Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.

Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.

It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past.

A word of advice if you would accept it: One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide.

At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting. While others seem too enthusiastic to predict Goonfleet's quick demise, I for one do not want it to happen prematurely. I think that the Goons are an interesting new element that must be allowed to reach its full potential, if only for the rest of us to see what can be learned from it. We've kind of fallen in with the rhetorical meaning of our Evolution corpname, and new "mutations" like Goonfleet are a welcome addition to the grand mix of EVE elements.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:44:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: The Mittani on 17/07/2006 05:46:39
Originally by: Rebellion

Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.

Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.


Imagine, if you will, a school bus full of special needs children doped to the gills on crystal meth. Now imagine that you've given them all sharp objects and a few handguns, and convinced them all that what they REALLY WANT is to die for Dear Leader and take someone with them in the process.

Then you take that bus, dump nitrous into the gas tank, supercharge the engine, lock the accelerator at full throttle and point that bus in the general direction of your enemies, and just before you leap out of it you put the most hyperactive of the meth-addicted tard kids behind the wheel and tell him to have fun and that he's an excellent driver.

That's what it's like being a Goonswarm director. It's not pretty, but the fireworks are spectacular. ^_^

Happydayz
Caldari
Syndicate Liberation Army
Posted - 2006.07.17 06:31:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: ZaKma
With personal insults like that, I really can't understand why anyone would put up with you Remedial.

I sort of like the idea of the Goons, and I wish them all the best. But in my eyes it doesn't matter how good someone can lead if he can't even act like a adult. I lost count of the number of insults in those 3 pages.



Someone needs to post a link to the goonfleet keyboard that was made up recently. Having spent some time on their teamspeak and in gangs I can assure you that it is pretty much an accurate reflection of what's said during ops and idle time

Taaii
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 06:45:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Rebellion
Edited by: Rebellion on 17/07/2006 05:35:54
Well, it seems as though everything is not as bad as I thought it was. I thought the goons had completely imploded and run the risk of falling apart.

Apparently, this level of organized chaos is the accepted approach to running Goonfleet. Whether or not it's good or bad is really not for me to decide, people always have different circumstances.

It's interesting to note that the goons are apparently the newest cults of personalities around. I had thought that with the fading away of guys like Ragnar, that those were things of the past.

A word of advice if you would accept it: One thing about cults of personality though is that the personalities have to be able to withstand the eventual pressures. Those pressures can be big, even more so when the personalities are very outspoken, while having a lot to hide.

At any rate, watching the goons rise from obscurity to prominence has proven to be interesting. While others seem too enthusiastic to predict Goonfleet's quick demise, I for one do not want it to happen prematurely. I think that the Goons are an interesting new element that must be allowed to reach its full potential, if only for the rest of us to see what can be learned from it. We've kind of fallen in with the rhetorical meaning of our Evolution corpname, and new "mutations" like Goonfleet are a welcome addition to the grand mix of EVE elements.


QTF

I like the Goon style in general. Its unorthodox and i belive that a lot of the hate they get is from the fact they have proven that low SP can be just as effective as a high SP char. T2 gear is not as dominant as it appears. Im a ex EQ player. Quite a high EQ player actually and when i did play, i hated how 'lesser' guilds did things or accomplished raids easier then at the time when my guild was doing it. I believe is a similar situation now.

My only constructive criticism to GF is to chill out. You guys have done dam well against D2. You might not win but you guys have learnt alot. Your 'newb' players if you want to call them that, have more experience in PvP then people who have been playing months. Dont rub it in peoples faces via alts your doing better then people thought you would.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.17 06:54:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Stahlregen
Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2006 23:19:24
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte

stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring?



This is of course because such an act of hostility between any corporations in this game is tantamount to genocide, right?
THE FIEND! THE DEVIL! How could he even consider something as dasterderdly as DECLARING WAR ON AN ALLIANCE!

Quote:
do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there?


I remember he took a break from playing the game for like 4 days, EL OH EL
And waves? What are you talking about, we are in space not at the beach.

Quote:
... cya on the battlefield


Aka: XZH

Man, I am on fire this morning


ahem ... for the first point - reading comprehension 4tw!! .. i wasn't saying that the claiming of OR was a bad action .. i was only saying that in this thread a lots of stuff of remedials history in EVE came to surface. you remembe remedials "joke" about a player who died??

and i feel really really sorry that english isn't my mother tongue, so please excuse some minor errors in wording Rolling Eyes


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