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Stahlregen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:30:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: geewiz
Originally by: Stahlregen

Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.




Translates "I understand there's some new senior director roles that have come vacant in GS, kindly consider me for said roles, Kiss kiss"

Very Happy

Gee


Im already up the corporate with the head honchos bro :D

ardik
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:30:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.
I don't think you quite understand how unimportant that discussion was for 99% of the memebership. The main corporation, Goonfleet, is completely full at 1301 members, even after the purges. If anything, the fact that things are happening has attracted more people.

But then again, facts rarely seem to impact Eve-o forum discussions much.

Exioce
Gallente
Trisomy 21
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:32:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Karunel
Exioce what are you doing in GF Razz


hey mate, what are you doing in NH? we're on opposite sides of the trenches you know? maybe we could each form up an INO-type propaganda division and fight with news stories Very Happy

and if you want someone to blame for me being in GF, blame Discorporation Razz

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:35:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic

[quote pyramids are for jerks]


[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]


Everybody can play that game though, right?

Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.

It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:38:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Armois Delgato
Posting in this legendary thread and saying hello to the entirety of this forum. This war has been a blast so far and has really kept me interested in EVE lately.

And the general membership is firmly behind Rem. We will follow the guy to the ends of EVE and back. It should be a jolly old time.

Let the good times roll.


I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.

CaptainButts
Amarr
KickAssCrew
Psychotic Tendencies.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:39:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:38:50
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic

[quote pyramids are for jerks]


[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]


Everybody can play that game though, right?

Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.

It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.

Whoa, whoa, that wasn't a personal attack, all I was saying is that we think really really differently. And if you mean the quotes pyramid thing I wasn't calling you a jerk, just meaning that it's silly to have giant things running half a page long, no offense intended and this is an apology if I did. Razz

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:44:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: CaptainButts
Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:38:50
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: CaptainButts
Originally by: Dianabolic

[quote pyramids are for jerks]


[Personal attacks are for the meek and the weak]


Everybody can play that game though, right?

Yes, I completely understand the mindset - I also know how badly things will go down the pan when such "unconditional" love is exploited and those who "love" don't keep the ego of the "loved" in check.

It's been seen before, it will be seen again - any ONE pilot that INSISTS on having such micro-managerial control over such a large corporation is ultimately going to be responsible for its' downfall.

Whoa, whoa, that wasn't a personal attack, all I was saying is that we think really really differently. And if you mean the quotes pyramid thing I wasn't calling you a jerk, just meaning that it's silly to have giant things running half a page long, no offense intended and this is an apology if I did. Razz


My bad, I got the wrong end of the stick then.

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:46:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Snowden Vel on 16/07/2006 20:48:52
Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?


So does this mean "stop posting" is the new "post with your main"?

Regardless, I don't see our posting policies making much of a practical difference in the discourse on this forum. Most of our opponents will still view us through the most negative lens possible and keep plucking the worst facts out of context to justify their opinion. So as much as we can prattle on about how morale is great, we love GoonSwarm, and we are thrilled to be flying alongside Sparta, people are still going to think we're on the verge of tearing ourselves apart and hanging our allies out to dry.

Edit- May as well take the opportunity to thank D2 for all the fights, you guys are fun to fly against.

Hoegaarden
Minmatar
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:48:00 - [99]
 

I think that my favorite part of this thread is where the couple directors who have not left yet have decided to openly turn against me despite praising me for running things more effectively and fairly than Remedial. It just goes to show how effective the threat of being fired for dissenting is. As to everyone else in this thread. I think you're missing the point of the entire fight.

I have never doubted Remedial's ability to lead GoonFleet, but until I was CEO for about a month, I was willing to believe he was best at it. Once I took the reigns (after he resigned from burning out being CEO due to overworking himself and not delegating) I ran things differently. I discussed things with my directors, listened to their input, and then made a decision on the issue. I have been playing this game for about 10 months now and am not afraid to ask other people who are more experienced in a particular area for their input. This, however, seems to mean that I am incompetent.

The argument that a strong leader is required to make a corporation work is clearly false, as shown by the fact that the month in GoonFleet history widely considered to be our best was under my rule. I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own, but I do believe that our relationships with other alliances, our growing number of friends, and our incredible logistics work was due to the way I ran GoonFleet and is contrary to everything Remedial has every indicated he believes in (as hinted at by the discussion about NORAD in those chatlogs).

He has now decided to launch an even further reaching war in an attempt to keep the Alliance unified behind him and is silencing all dissent on our forums claiming that it only serves to hamper our efforts now. I look forward to the date when open discourse will be allowed, because my prediction is that it will come long after Tranquility is permanently offlined. I wish no harm upon GoonFleet as I have poured the last 9 months of my life into making it work and do not seek to destroy it in bitterness. I only hope that one day people will recognize that Remedial is not the best leader for GoonFleet just because he founded it. I also seek a recognition that his behavior in this instance was childish and unnecessary and that the reaction on the forums, which has been silenced, be allowed to continue so that Remedial's overinflated ego be brought down a bit when he sees that not all of GoonFleet believes what he did was right.

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:50:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Snowden Vel


So does this mean "stop posting" is the new "post with your main"?

Regardless, I don't see our posting policies making much of a practical difference in the discourse on this forum. Most of our opponents will still view us through the most negative lens possible and keep plucking the worst facts out of context to justify their opinion. So as much as we can prattle on about how morale is great, we love GoonSwarm, and we are thrilled to be flying alongside Sparta, people are still going to think we're on the verge of tearing ourselves apart and hanging our allies out to dry.


I disagree, I think this will allow all of eve to see that we aren't a faceless bunch of mindless thugs, but a group of 2500-ish people, all different with a strong goal in mind.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:58:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Alois Zimmer

I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.


I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.

goze
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:00:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic

Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.

Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.
The fact of the matter is that we follow remedial because he is a good leader, but we play the game itself because we are playing with fellow goons. I doubt that any other corp in EVE could deal with the amount of stress and drama that Goonfleet has been going through over the past few days, especially in the midst of an expansionist war, and with a bunch of petty, small-minded outsiders continually attempting to fuel even more drama. It hasn't been an especially happy weekend for Goonfleet, but there's no chance of this corp ever breaking up because of something like this weekend's drama. We all know we're a bunch of greedy, *******, jerkoff bastards, and we aren't gonna tip over and blow away just because someone else finds that out.

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:00:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Alois Zimmer

I disagree, I think this will allow all of eve to see that we aren't a faceless bunch of mindless thugs, but a group of 2500-ish people, all different with a strong goal in mind.


I was mainly referring to the usual selection of forum superstars that tend to frequent GoonSwarm threads, since they tend to set the tone of those discussions.

Erohn
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:06:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Erohn on 16/07/2006 21:20:57

Originally by: Hoegaarden
I think that my favorite part of this thread is where the couple directors who have not left yet have decided to openly turn against me despite praising me for running things more effectively and fairly than Remedial. It just goes to show how effective the threat of being fired for dissenting is. As to everyone else in this thread. I think you're missing the point of the entire fight.

I have never doubted Remedial's ability to lead GoonFleet, but until I was CEO for about a month, I was willing to believe he was best at it. Once I took the reigns (after he resigned from burning out being CEO due to overworking himself and not delegating) I ran things differently. I discussed things with my directors, listened to their input, and then made a decision on the issue. I have been playing this game for about 10 months now and am not afraid to ask other people who are more experienced in a particular area for their input. This, however, seems to mean that I am incompetent.

The argument that a strong leader is required to make a corporation work is clearly false, as shown by the fact that the month in GoonFleet history widely considered to be our best was under my rule. I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own, but I do believe that our relationships with other alliances, our growing number of friends, and our incredible logistics work was due to the way I ran GoonFleet and is contrary to everything Remedial has every indicated he believes in (as hinted at by the discussion about NORAD in those chatlogs).

He has now decided to launch an even further reaching war in an attempt to keep the Alliance unified behind him and is silencing all dissent on our forums claiming that it only serves to hamper our efforts now. I look forward to the date when open discourse will be allowed, because my prediction is that it will come long after Tranquility is permanently offlined. I wish no harm upon GoonFleet as I have poured the last 9 months of my life into making it work and do not seek to destroy it in bitterness. I only hope that one day people will recognize that Remedial is not the best leader for GoonFleet just because he founded it. I also seek a recognition that his behavior in this instance was childish and unnecessary and that the reaction on the forums, which has been silenced, be allowed to continue so that Remedial's overinflated ego be brought down a bit when he sees that not all of GoonFleet believes what he did was right.


You and some of the other directors obviously have been indignant for a while you dont get a bigger share of the decision making pie.

It was always going to end up you guys or him going at some point. Now that we've had a resolution to all the drama can we have less bitter posts, especially airing the dirty laundry in public.


Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Alois Zimmer

I almost wonder if we should do a "meet your local Goonswarm pilot" type of thread.


I think this is a brilliant idea, and would really lessen some of the kneejerk hostility that some of the estabished alliances seem to show to us.


It's an awful and embarassing idea.


Kyguard
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:09:00 - [105]
 

Sad to see Hoe leaving. Goonfleet are doing very well for the number of pilots in their organization. I just hope they can get over this and get back to kicking D2's ass.

Goons will always have my respect.

Shachar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:09:00 - [106]
 

I will continue to fight for the Swarm regardless of changes in leadership. The director level conflict was unfortunate and hopefully we don't lose too many of the director level members to it. But now the conflict is resolved, and the Swarm continues to hunger for enemy biomass to consume.

Dulce et decorum est pro Remedial mori

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:12:00 - [107]
 

tl;dr summary of this thread:

hay guys directors and CEOs sometimes squabble u kno?

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:49:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 21:49:04
Originally by: Zarimax Mishka
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.

2. Nope, no Sov atm.

3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.

4. 3 Large Posses fully equipped for value? Strange that they used hordes of Ospreys to refill their shields.

5. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread


Re #2 - I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here. Are you saying "No, goons don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime" or are you saying "No, D2 and YouWhat don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime but that's not important"?

Id just like to clarify this point for our readers.




It had no sov at all, but today u gained it as expected cause of the other 2386123 posses you put up later Wink

We will deal with it later maybe. Maybe not as early as other things are now marching to us...

And you...

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.16 21:58:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Stahlregen

Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.

Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.

Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.


you know what you're saying here??

do you remember the outcry of the EVE community regarding the stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring? do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there??)

so you're saying - the ordinary goon is supporting one of the most respectless players i've ever seen in EVE by heart. fine. Confused

... cya on the battlefield

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 22:00:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Hoegaarden
I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own


Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.

ISD Serathu


Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2006.07.16 22:44:00 - [111]
 

Thread deep cleaned.

Once again, may I remind you of the Forum Rules. Please stay on-topic, constructive and avoid all flaming and trolling. Failure to do this will result in your post being removed and warnings where necessary.

Inanna Sumer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 22:49:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Inanna Sumer on 16/07/2006 22:49:18
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte

do you remember the outcry of the EVE community regarding the stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring? do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there??)


You got something wrong there.

Exioce
Gallente
Trisomy 21
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:06:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Hoegaarden
I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own


Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.


I take it this is the new "We didn't want that system anyway!"

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:07:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.
Whatever is easy for us should be easy for you, with all your cash and skill points. Many times I have seen forum *****s complaining that goons don't show respect. Perhaps you could give us the slightest shred of respect for what we have achieved so far from such humble beginnings. The fact that you didn't rapidly crush us out of Cloud Ring has a lot to do with why you're facing so many troubles now.

It is petty and counterproductive of you to belittle us right now, because in some respects you are also belittling D2 in the eyes of its enemies.

Stahlregen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:13:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2006 23:19:24
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte

stuff of the past that came up in the NORAD thread where he told everyone that Goonfleet claims Outer Ring?



This is of course because such an act of hostility between any corporations in this game is tantamount to genocide, right?
THE FIEND! THE DEVIL! How could he even consider something as dasterderdly as DECLARING WAR ON AN ALLIANCE!

Quote:
do you remember that he stepped back from beeing CEO to calm down the waves? (or did i get something wrong there?


I remember he took a break from playing the game for like 4 days, EL OH EL
And waves? What are you talking about, we are in space not at the beach.

Quote:
... cya on the battlefield


Aka: Branch

Man, I am on fire this morning

Alaesa
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:49:00 - [116]
 

I love the goonspam

I would remind all the goons filling the forums with I love remedial posts that you dont actually matter.

An online community polices itself, and remedial has shown himself to be untrustworthy.

Goodluck getting any allies from now on that arnt desperate or users themselves.

Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.

Im laying bets on 3 months.


Urikko
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:51:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Alaesa

Now that the goons have exausted their supply of new players I will be interested to find how long it will be before they self destruct.



We have? Wow, how fast we run through 70,000 goons. We haven't hit the tip of the iceberg in new players really.

Captain Trashman
Minmatar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.07.16 23:53:00 - [118]
 

Remedial is a fantastic leader just because his cult of personality allows him alot more freedom to do things that would cause a huge amount of drama in other corps. That is why I fully support him and hope he continues his rampant censorship so we can continue to make big strides to total domination.


Alctel Prime
Caldari
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.17 00:03:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Hoegaarden
I by no means claim to be entirely responsible for the conquering of XZH on my own


Sry to burst ur bubble, but at that certain point it was uberly easy to claim and pos spam it.


Actually, it was D2 who started ramping up the number of POS's in XZH once you found out the hard way that we wouldn't just sit there and let our POS's be put into reinforced, but would defend them to the death. All the major battles in the first week were fought in D2's primetime when we were outnumbered, since there is almost no D2 presence when we are at our strongest.

After the first week D2 stopped using Dreads in XZH almost entirely, and instead started anchoring more and more POS's, and of course we followed suit.

Irizumi
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.17 00:43:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Irizumi on 17/07/2006 00:43:29
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