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HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 18:03:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: HippoKing on 16/07/2006 18:03:52
dw

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 18:15:00 - [62]
 

Greetings, drama thread!

I am the Mittani, director in charge of mysterious and naughty things at Goonswarm. I run our intelligence agency and am represented by a picture of Dr. Strangelove on our internal forums, and sometimes I am represented by a picture of Dr. Strangelove with a pancake on his head. It is a difficult burden, but I bear it with pride!

As you can tell from our director discussion, I am 'mildly' ruthless about politics in Eve, and I always analyze our moves in terms of the worst case scenario. Some of you seem to think that my statements regarding a worst-case SPARTA situation reflect a distaste for SPARTA, but this is not so.

Personally, I am interested only in the reality of our situation and our bottom line. An analysis must show both the best-case scenario and the worst case; a director had apparently questioned our alliance with SPARTA, and I demonstrated that even in the worst situation it served our interests. Alas, some people in this game think that espionage and realpolitik shouldn't be a part of our lovely game of internet spaceships. Yet some see it as it truly is: a legitimate aspect of warfare.

So please don't be offended, dear easily-offended enemies of Goonswarm and potentially-worried allies of Goonswarm; I have made projections about what would happen if any of your alliances collapsed in a variety of terrible situations. It is my job to do so, after all. Yet I have also spent time analysing what would happen if your alliances won all your conflicts, kicked a ton of ass, and how that would impact Goonswarm; that too is my job.

I think it should be blindingly obvious to even the most dense of political analysts that a strong SPARTA serves Goonswarm's interests much more than a weak or defeated SPARTA, and I am extraordinarily pleased to see our pilots flying alongside SPARTA and fighting D2.

Jonny Damordred
Gallente
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.07.16 18:16:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Leena Lee

By that logic, no war has even been won in Eve.



Sure they have.

Originally by: Leena Lee

It's about achieving the goals you set out to achieve, or stopping the enemy from achieving their goals.

According to previous threads, goons only got sov by luck and D2 didn't want the region anyway, they just wanted to kill goons since they smacked in the first cloud ring thread. So I guess without goals, noone can win and noone can lose. (did goons lose sov btw?) Now it's just a mess tho ugh


Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war.

Cheers,
Jonny D.

deadEd
Caldari
Ardent Spirits
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:24:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war


Conquerable space is being exchanged and capital ships are being killed. What else would it take to be come a real war?

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:24:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 19:26:23
Originally by: Chenister

Last time I checked the map, goons still had sov over xzh. But you didn't want that system, right? So you've lost a system you didn't want, and declare that you've won a war that was over nothing? Talk about tooting your own horn =P


1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.

2. Nope, no Sov atm.

3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.

4. 3 Large Posses fully equipped for value? Strange that they used hordes of Ospreys to refill their shields.

5. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:25:00 - [66]
 

*snip*

I don't think you'll have to worry about "Goon Alts" post anymore. We are now allowed to post on the forums. So if you see someone posting under a "Goon Alt", it isn't one of us. Unless you see Goonswarm next to the name, treat it like any other alt.

Removed reference to deleted post - Serathu ([email protected])

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:25:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: deadEd
Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Anything less than a battle to the death is just a skirmish. Only time will tell if the goonies have ****ed off D2 enough to turn their little tiff into a real war


Conquerable space is being exchanged and capital ships are being killed. What else would it take to be come a real war?


More than a couple of weeks.

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:39:00 - [68]
 

Wow, thats some heavy drama Shocked

Any other alliances run like this?

Zarimax Mishka
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:47:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

1. CR is supposed to go to YW and we still care about it, cause they are our close allies.

2. Nope, no Sov atm.

3. We havent won this war, we are in the progress to do so.

4. 3 Large Posses fully equipped for value? Strange that they used hordes of Ospreys to refill their shields.

5. First: Use brain - Second: Post in thread


Re #2 - I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here. Are you saying "No, goons don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime" or are you saying "No, D2 and YouWhat don't have sovereignty over XZH as of the July 16th downtime but that's not important"?

Id just like to clarify this point for our readers.


Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:52:00 - [70]
 

*snip*

I am responsible for policing GoonFleet/GoonWaffe posting to ensure its quality.

edit: Specifically, the directorship of Goonfleet has decided that having untracable alt posters attempt to represent us without our consent isn't fair either to us or to anyone who wants to know our publically stated positions.

Removed reference to deleted post - Serathu ([email protected])

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 19:59:00 - [71]
 

*snip*

I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.

Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.

Removed reference to deleted post - Serathu ([email protected])

Fetor
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:12:00 - [72]
 

Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.

CaptainButts
Amarr
KickAssCrew
Psychotic Tendencies.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: CaptainButts on 16/07/2006 20:14:52
Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.

A lot of goons are happy to be able to post so they're going to post, I'm sure it'll settle down soon enough. But uh, we're not really falling apart man. Seriously.

Minhjaal
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.


Since we're allowed to post here now does that mean we can mock alt posters ourselves?

Hrm. I'll pass on the chance, I suppose.

Anyway. We had a couple of directors leave and go elsewhere, nothing more, and they're still on friendly terms. Should they ever wish to come back, I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms. That's far from "a lot", like you said.

Exioce
Gallente
Trisomy 21
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:15:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Goonfleet will be gone soon.


if you only knew how many times we've all moved back to Jita to mine Veldspar you'd Crying or Very sad too.

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:16:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.


Doubt it, but thanks for your concern.

Stahlregen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:16:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic
*snip*

I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.

Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.


Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.

Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.

Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.

Grayton
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:17:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Grayton on 16/07/2006 20:21:56
Now that we're allowed to post, I'll try my hand at posting something that won't end up getting me fined. The whole "my views are not expressive of the leadership or membership of goonswarm etc etc" thing too.

This forum is a forum for propaganda, pure and simple. Each post by whatever side is simply there to bolster their own side while making the other side look weak and pathetic. I have rarely, if ever, seen any "unbiased" posts made by anyone in this forum. However, this is what war and conflict is like; propaganda to try and gain an advantage over the enemy. It's foolish to think that this shouldn't happen in a game that emulates real life politics so greatly.

Because of this, I have been extremely happy that we had a "no posting on Eve-O" rule, as I'd hate to see our membership devolve into posting propaganda of our own in these threads. If you could only see some of our forums, and some of our threads, that are nothing but pure and utter anger at the posts we sometimes see because they contain such untrue facts (I'm not calling anyone liars- just that there are always two sides to a story, and just because the other side thinks we were doing something for a certain reason, DOES NOT mean we were actually doing it for that reason); yet we cannot do anything about these posts because of the no posting rule.

This is why the alt posters pop up; the people that just can't stand seeing us not being represented and take it upon themselves to do something about it. I should, however, emphasize the fact that they take it upon themselves. They are not acting on behalf of Goonswarm and they are not necessarily posting with the opinions of Goonswarm. In fact, if you could see our forums, you would know that most of the membership of the forums despised the alt posters and wished they could be easily found out so that they could be heavily fined for making themselves seem to represent Goonswarm when they really don't.

In a way, alt posters are like the WCS of the forums. They can be extremely annoying and extremely hard to catch (especially if you've got the T2 Alt Posting module like some of the alts on this forum do). To tie this entire thing together, saying that these alt posters represent Goonswarm and making decisions based on them is just part of the same forums propaganda machine- it's just trying to make us look weak. No serious decisions should ever be made based on alt posters, because of the fact the alt posters, despite what one may think, do not represent us, never have represented us, and never will represent us.


(oh god please don't fine me goonswarm directors I love you all)

(edit: wow like an entire page popped up since I started writing this oh god goon rush)

Fetor
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:19:00 - [79]
 

Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...

Minhjaal
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:21:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...


Be that as it may, who has more credibility? Us posting on our mains, or you, hiding behind an alt? Zatch said it...

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:21:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.


There has always been strife at the top, and this is the same in most MMOs. You try running a 2500 man alliance that is swiftly reaching into conquerable space much faster than it expected to, with a directorate packed with hyperaggressive alpha males, many of whom are attorneys. So, we bicker. And this time it got leaked. And?

SKY FALLING VELDSPAR JITA OH GOD

You don't understand our psychology at all. Until you figure out what we mean when we say 'skulls for the skull throne', you'll still be scratching your head as our bees swarm over you, heedless of their losses, dying gloriously for Dear Leader. We get off on this kind of thing, and it seems like half of the galaxy is still unable to grasp this basic fact.

Whiskey Juvenile
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:23:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

Anyway, Goonfleet is falling apart from the inside, alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.


There has always been strife at the top, and this is the same in most MMOs. You try running a 2500 man alliance that is swiftly reaching into conquerable space much faster than it expected to, with a directorate packed with hyperaggressive alpha males, many of whom are attorneys. So, we bicker. And this time it got leaked. And?

SKY FALLING VELDSPAR JITA OH GOD

You don't understand our psychology at all. Until you figure out what we mean when we say 'skulls for the skull throne', you'll still be scratching your head as our bees swarm over you, heedless of their losses, dying gloriously for Dear Leader. We get off on this kind of thing, and it seems like half of the galaxy is still unable to grasp this basic fact.



Seriously. It's like the only requirement for directorship in GF is that you're sitting for the bar within the year.

Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:24:00 - [83]
 

Goons as a whole originate from a messageboard community so this stampede is to be expected.

I for one hope this will work out well and that we, as a community, will be able to express ourselves.

I'd also like to take the time to express my gratitude to D2 for putting up some excellent fights.

Stahlregen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:25:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Goon spam now?

alot of members have left allready and i can see alot more leaving aswell.

Goonfleet will be gone soon.


Oh man, let me dig up some statistics.

June 17 membership total: 1889
July 17 membership total: 2280

400 new pilots in 1 month isn't too bad for a single corporation i would think, and we arn't even in the process of active recruitment or advertisment. I've been watching the applications fairly closely lately actualy, it's really interesting. I began to notice that the average number of daily new applicants growing when we started messing about in outer ring, it's spiked a bit more since abandoning that tiff with norad and moving onto the bigger fish. Like i said earlier: AWESOME

CaptainButts
Amarr
KickAssCrew
Psychotic Tendencies.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:25:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Fetor
Dont you pawns realise your being used as PR? lol...

you're right man we're all sheeple we will throw up our chains and have a proletarian revolt and install a goonunist government

people are a lot more credible on their mains man, and now that we're doing it too, well...

on a lighter note, poitot is the only named system in syndicate

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:26:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Dianabolic
*snip*

I do however predict that Remedial, unless he adjusts his attitude to both the eve community and indeed to the pilots of goonfleet, will be the cause of your own destruction. Something he claims, at least, that he wishes to avoid.

Time to learn some people skills if he's insistent on being the CEO.


Psh, Because the goonfleet pilots dont already love him to death and want him round for dinner every night, right? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.

Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.

Also, Its not nescercarily Remedial's attitude to the rest of eve thats the problem, Just by reading the logs you can see that he was the one pushing the hardest to support and assist those not allied with d2. Other than getting him confused with one of the other directors that were discussing worst case scenarios for our allies im not too sure what you even mean by saying that he needs to adjust his attitude to the community.


Nope, I'm definitely referring to Remedial. Anyone that completely bins and dis-respects the efforts that people loike hoegaarden put in, and I KNOW how much effort it takes to organise a large group, and to do so in that manner is absolutely disgusting.

Exactly HOW he garners ANY kind of respect is something I look forward to learning.

geewiz
Caldari
Intergalactic Logistics
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:26:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Stahlregen

Everyone in goonfleet absolutely adores Remedial, which was why it was a problem when he mentioned taking dictatorship back by using his influence over the membership, Which is freaking grand in my opinion, because i think the guy is great and the best suited man to tell everyone what to do.




Translates "I understand there's some new senior director roles that have come vacant in GS, kindly consider me for said roles, Kiss kiss"

Very Happy

Gee

Karunel
Gallente
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:29:00 - [88]
 

Exioce what are you doing in GF Razz

CaptainButts
Amarr
KickAssCrew
Psychotic Tendencies.
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:29:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic

[quote pyramids are for jerks]


Dude, you just don't understand the mindset. The general membership, at least, has a sort of unconditional, fillial love of Remedial. It takes something biggggg to screw up unconditional adoration, so unless we catch him banging the dog when we're out or something, he's pretty much going to stay loved. Different strokes for different folks, eh?

Armois Delgato
Caldari
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2006.07.16 20:29:00 - [90]
 

Posting in this legendary thread and saying hello to the entirety of this forum. This war has been a blast so far and has really kept me interested in EVE lately.

And the general membership is firmly behind Rem. We will follow the guy to the ends of EVE and back. It should be a jolly old time.

Let the good times roll.


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