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Happydayz
Caldari
Syndicate Liberation Army
Posted - 2006.07.16 06:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Amorti
Goonfleet's director-level discussion forums and channels have been like that since day one. This is why there have been half a dozen significant directorship purges in Goonfleet's nine months of life. With over 2000 members, there are always new people willing to step up and spend a few months learning just what dealing with Remedial is like.



This was perhaps my biggest beef with what remedial was saying. There was also the part somewhere in it where he basically said that he didn't care if senior level directors quit because he could always pull more people up from the ranks who would love to do the job.

I really don't care what sort of activity you are engaged in, such disregard for your subordinates is truly horrendous leadership. Even if the statement is factually correct (which it almost certainly is) making such a statement is just an idiotic thing to do and probably the worst thing you would want to say when trying to run a huge corporation. The larger the corporation the more delegation is necessary in order for it to run smoothly, and the more you delegate the more you need to have trust and faith in those that you delegate authority to. Calling them all basically expendable peons is hardly the way to get that accomplished.

Ajaya
Gallente
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.16 07:11:00 - [32]
 

First, the Picard / Deanna Troi quote was simply, freaking amazing. My corp got such a laugh over that it is imo, a classic. So true it is, and I got just a little bit more respect for Remedial for that than I had before :D

One thing to remember about GF, is that they are a culture and a community seperate from the majority of those who play eve. They are a rather excitable and outrageous group of people, so the conversations you saw there were not as unbelievable or outside of the norm for them as you'd think. I kinda know, we've got several Ex-GF in our corp, most (all?) of which were some of the original directors of that corp, and the stories they've relayed make this post seem like just any other day.

Though, one problem I do see with Rem's abusive behavior at times, is that he is alienating and driving out people who are compitent, and good at what they do. I was sure the day I agreed that we would let Leo McGary into our corp was a day that would mark the beginning of the end for my stay in CONIN. However, the guy has become both an asset to our corp in many ways, and also a great guy to hang out with. The other GF that we've let in have at times, been a bit "******ed" due to their GF roots, they've definately met our expectations for any of our members and some have excelled beyond our expectations.

It's truely, for GF, a sad thing that they lost those capable leaders, and that they do have these "purges" and have to keep replacing them with less experienced, and possibly less qualified people.

All in all though, one thing you can gather from this post is the behind the scenes scheming that these guys do. One thing I will always know regardless of how often they have surprised me, I could never trust Remedial or GF leadership in it's current form. They thrive on scheming and manipulating allies and situations for their own gain. While it's probably fun to roleplay that, the problem is eventually you get a lot of enemies, and you can then only hope you're strong enough to fight them all.

Mystiel Raleigh
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.16 07:19:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Mystiel Raleigh on 16/07/2006 07:20:50
Originally by: Ajaya


Though, one problem I do see with Rem's abusive behavior at times, is that he is alienating and driving out people who are compitent, and good at what they do. I was sure the day I agreed that we would let Leo McGary into our corp was a day that would mark the beginning of the end for my stay in CONIN. However, the guy has become both an asset to our corp in many ways, and also a great guy to hang out with. The other GF that we've let in have at times, been a bit "******ed" due to their GF roots, they've definately met our expectations for any of our members and some have excelled beyond our expectations.



What? Leo is a tool!

The best part about this is people (Azaeren) posting my personal info (home address and cell phone number) on the GF forums that they got from a WHOIS simply for hosting the site in the original post (I'm just the host, I didn't acquire the files myself.) I'm obviously not worried about people driving by and taking pictures of my house, but it's pretty pathetic. The internet is to be taken very seriously!

Although I've had a couple of nice chats with GF guys over the phone since then, so it isn't all bad, I suppose.

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.07.16 09:24:00 - [34]
 

Theres a thread bout the XZH situation in the german eo forums,
and ppl became pretty angry bout *snip*
picture.

not only do they obviously cheat (simply not hunted by ccp cause they cant prove it, as stated by them),
but seeing himself as ******/Führer is beyond any joke.

just for that reason u deserve to get ur arse kicked remedial.

Link removed - please do not post links to inappropriate images - Jacques ([email protected])

Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 09:31:00 - [35]
 

I'd totally vote for Remedial dudes.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 09:41:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: guckfoons
Edited by: guckfoons on 16/07/2006 02:46:34
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Lorth
*stuff*


The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism


i thought it was quite embarassing and pathetic really. would have prefered at least some more goon sekrets revealed.

only things i gathered were:

- KIA are going to attack D2 for free [not particularly amazing, they probably want to do something "fun" and dont like D2]

- Goons hired BE [well you could look at the BE kb for today and see that. smart move though]

- Goons got the password for a YouWhat POS [hahaha...a bit more interesting]


other than that, yawn.


They also tried to attack branch with posses (like always in US timezone, outside of it, they rarely do anything) and failed miserably Cool

However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad Laughing

DrRockIT
Caldari
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 09:49:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: DrRockIT on 16/07/2006 10:01:08
Deleted by Woodlouses request.....

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 09:54:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/07/2006 10:09:12
Retracted

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.16 10:58:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Goonfleet Forums
I don't know who's saying that allying with SPARTA is bad, but it does take a whole bunch of otherwise 'safe' space and make it wacky and crazy for D2. They can't rely on their vassals, and the whole region is now plunged into turmoil.

Turmoil is awesome for us. There will be even more when/if ORC leaves SPARTA because they don't want to fight D2, and then civil war will likely break out. But that will require still more attention and effort by D2 and MC, while BE and us ass**** them and take their regions.

At the end of the day, chaos in Dek and the North is awesome for us, as it keeps our foes wrong-footed. The feeling of being out of control and impotent is one of the reasons why D2 is having problems mustering fleets against us; if we keep them reeling like this, they'll disintegrate as the internal strife between their carebears and their pvpers is exacerbated.

tl;dr: chaos good, d2 bad.

Edit: If SPARTA has civil war we will be blameless if MC and D2 crush them, they'll be too busy blaming former NFC and FLA corps for their travails, they won't think twice about us.


See, Sparta, you made the wrong choice. We may not have helped you enough in terms of defence sometimes, but we certainly never ever wanted to stab you in the back or abandon you.

A little bit more time and diplomatic effort would have been all that was needed (granted i wasnt online due to a lung collapse in RL).

Its still not to late. Contact me ingame if you want to talk.

Bippa
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:02:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

Its still not to late. Contact me ingame if you want to talk.


Getting desperate? Give it up, every corp/alliance has these types of discussions about possible/potential allies. I am sure the Sparta leadership board went something like "ally with noobfleet? YEAH RIGHT!"

Dhinnd
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:04:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad Laughing


Losing how?

Even if YW rejoined D2 tomorrow you are would be out numbered in POS in XZH and will quite probably never now dig the goons out at this point.

Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.

Of course the wider war between the two lines of alliances that are rapidly drawing up has just begun in Deklien. I dont think hiring merc corps is bad, many do it (like you know IRON…), you guys have RISE raiding syndicate (who I don’t think have quite thought the consequences of GS being forced out of the north too thoroughly..), plus RAZOR, IRON and all those "D2 friendly" corps and alliances.

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse



See, Sparta, you made the wrong choice


How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.


Also, something to consider. When D2 first came into XZH to try and force GS out, NFC and SPARTA turned out in force to support.

NFC were camping in 9-4 the entrance to XZH with 50-60 man fleets, and SPARTA were fighting inside the system with dread support fleets.

D2 must have known IRON planned to waltz back into Deklien when their preparation was ready and order a “we’re taking over again ******!” decree.

I don’t think then that the allies that had come and for days supported you fighting in your war were pleased that your policy on this development turned out to be “meh. We’ll ignore it and ally with the winner.”

Although I may be being a bit generous to you there. Didn’t take much of an excuse to set NFC -10 did it?

Joerd Toastius
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:17:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: deadEd
Of course it wasnt helped by the fact that there was obviously plenty of bad blood before it all came to a head, and there will be people leaving over it, it won't seriously impact Goonfleet much, mainly because of Remedial's "grab the devil by the horns" style of leadership. There's a large core of people that would easily follow anything he asked.


POS don't need leadership, they need fuel. Welcome to Alliance Warfare 2.0

Laythun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:38:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Laythun on 16/07/2006 13:39:36
Originally by: Dhinnd

would be out numbered in POS in XZH and will quite probably never now dig the goons out at this point.

Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.




Sonny, the war is not just for 1 system..you'd do well to learn a little bit of warfare and 0.0 tactics.

Originally by: Dhinnd

How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.



*sigh* theres much you dont obviously understand. irrespective of whether they want to throw there whole force behind sparta, they will still fall.
We have no tolerance for shi!ting in our backyard tbh.

[EDIT] post with your main or not at all.


Dhinnd
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:44:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Dhinnd on 16/07/2006 13:45:24
Originally by: Laythun

Sonny, the war is not just for 1 system..you'd do well to learn a little bit of warfare and 0.0 tactics.

Originally by: Dhinnd

How do you figure. Assuming you have the ability to read and comprehend those chat logs, seems to me some of the GF directors were cautious about the SPARTA situation, and Remedial was 100% behind throwing everything into that war should it become the focal point of D2 + friends efforts. Since Remedial is the one left standing after all this drama, I think its fair to say GS will now back SPARTA to the hilt for this war.



*sigh* theres much you dont obviously understand. irrespective of whether they want to throw there whole force behind sparta, they will still fall.
No tolerance for ****!ing in the backyard tbh.




Well apart from the refinery system, its the system with all the resources in it... Rolling Eyes


I think you're being slightly premature calling SPARTA dead buddy. You dont learn do you. If you couldnt take GS by themselves with the help of razor and half a dozen of your little friendly alliances, I wouldnt call GS, SPARTA and ALEK vs you, IRON and the MC quite a forgone conclusion just yet.

Now lets stop the smack that Woodlouse started (again).


[EDIT] No how about I dont.

Nez Perces
Amarr
Metatron Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:50:00 - [45]
 

hmm interesting thread...

.. I don't know much about Goonfleet and I don't know much about Remedial either... but the goonies are giving D2 a good run for their money... so Remedial and Goons must be doing something right.


geewiz
Caldari
Intergalactic Logistics
Posted - 2006.07.16 13:59:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: geewiz on 16/07/2006 13:59:32
Wow interesting read, all I can say is if I was a SPARTA guy reading that I would be more than concerned as it is pretty clear you guys are being used as pawns and a meatshield and GS really don't get a rat's ass whether you survive or not.

With friends like that....

Gee

PS Remedial is on a major power trip lol Very Happy

Yokohead
Gallente
Intergalactic Hunters of ManBearPig
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.07.16 14:21:00 - [47]
 

Reposting (and hosting) since the other site's bandwidth crashed out:

GoonDrama - REHOSTED URL

Have fun.

Laythun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.16 14:31:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Dhinnd


Well apart from the refinery system, its the system with all the resources in it... Rolling Eyes




Your not READING or COMPREHENDING what im saying. XZH is NOT the only system this war is about. keep focusing on your one minor success (heh well not so much a success now)

Originally by: Dhinnd

I think you're being slightly premature calling SPARTA dead buddy. You dont learn do you. If you couldnt take GS by themselves with the help of razor and half a dozen of your little friendly alliances, I wouldnt call GS, SPARTA and ALEK vs you, IRON and the MC quite a forgone conclusion just yet.



Oh and please please read my posts, i didnt say sparta were dead, i specifically said no matter what GS do, they will fall. understand? your meatshield wont last foever no matter how much u think u can prop it up with silly suicide fleets.

Now im tired of replying to an alt without the ballz to back up his statements with his main.

Im off to the front.

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.16 15:02:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Kryztal on 16/07/2006 15:05:31
ugh back to the logs,

How anyone would work with this guy (remedial) is beyond me o.O like omg. An utter disgrace as a leader you just dont act like that. A good CEO cares about his corp, its members and the directors, the mission comes second.

Im just happy to have the great CEO that I have, not a giant egomanical *beep* like remedial obviously is.


Daxes
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.07.16 15:21:00 - [50]
 

every leader is (must be) an egomanic, the only difference here is that remidial doesnt have problems with showing it. :o

Im maybe the enemy of goons but seriously every alliance can be glad if they have someone with such a passion for his alliance.
This often results in such "dramas" but u cant blame him for not caring about his alliance and a good leader has to care about the whole thing first and after that u can think about individuals.
There are very few strong leaders out there and those are never likely to win a most loved contest.

Chenister
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2006.07.16 15:24:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: guckfoons
Edited by: guckfoons on 16/07/2006 02:46:34
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Lorth
*stuff*


The best part though is that it got leaked, and it's fun to analyze and comment on it based just on those leaked internal forum posts. It's like some sort of political voyeurism


i thought it was quite embarassing and pathetic really. would have prefered at least some more goon sekrets revealed.

only things i gathered were:

- KIA are going to attack D2 for free [not particularly amazing, they probably want to do something "fun" and dont like D2]

- Goons hired BE [well you could look at the BE kb for today and see that. smart move though]

- Goons got the password for a YouWhat POS [hahaha...a bit more interesting]


other than that, yawn.


They also tried to attack branch with posses (like always in US timezone, outside of it, they rarely do anything) and failed miserably Cool

However, respect to their stubborness, they still dont wanna admit, that they are losing this war and still hire alliances and corps like mad Laughing


I heard that they put those poses up in i-u for lol value to guage your reaction to them.

Last time I checked the map, goons still had sov over xzh. But you didn't want that system, right? So you've lost a system you didn't want, and declare that you've won a war that was over nothing? Talk about tooting your own horn =P

Tuijabird
Gallente
Dark Angel Battalion
Posted - 2006.07.16 15:52:00 - [52]
 

I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts. Check the killboards, when D2 is not warping into a death star pos goon don't want to rumble. When they choose to they have all advantages and still lose badly. However putting pos's up in us time means they are doing something right.. then yay for their pos spammage.

ispyon u
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.16 15:54:00 - [53]
 

I haven't checked today, but yesturday when I was on there was no sov in XZH

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2006.07.16 16:23:00 - [54]
 

Its forums like that which make me really appreciate what a decent, mature corporation and alliance I am a part of.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.07.16 16:23:00 - [55]
 

what a messugh

Trina Tron
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.07.16 16:47:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Kryztal
Edited by: Kryztal on 16/07/2006 15:05:31
ugh back to the logs,

How anyone would work with this guy (remedial) is beyond me o.O like omg. An utter disgrace as a leader you just dont act like that. A good CEO cares about his corp, its members and the directors, the mission comes second.

Im just happy to have the great CEO that I have, not a giant egomanical *beep* like remedial obviously is.




Yeah really, in every corp I have been in ceo's make or break the corp. Same goes with the alliance.


neccette
Minmatar
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2006.07.16 16:52:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Tuijabird
I love the fact that the only info of goons doing anything at all in this war is from alts.


The reason you don't see Goons posting is that except for 1 or 2 specific directors, everyone else will get fined for posting on the Corp and Alliance forums.

Jonny Damordred
Gallente
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.07.16 17:01:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Dhinnd
Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.


Two pieces of advice:
1.) Wars are not won or lost in a matter of weeks.
2.) Wars are not over until the other side is completely killed off.

Cheers,
Jonny D.

neccette
Minmatar
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2006.07.16 17:08:00 - [59]
 

*snip*

I roll my eye whenever I see an alt post about goonfleet. But like it matters to me now, I'm moving the last of my stuff out of Syndicate before accepting the offer from my new corp.

Removed reference to deleted post - Serathu ([email protected])

Leena Lee
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2006.07.16 17:47:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Dhinnd
Seems like war won to me, a nice achievement.


Two pieces of advice:
1.) Wars are not won or lost in a matter of weeks.
2.) Wars are not over until the other side is completely killed off.

Cheers,
Jonny D.


By that logic, no war has even been won in Eve.

It's about achieving the goals you set out to achieve, or stopping the enemy from achieving their goals.

According to previous threads, goons only got sov by luck and D2 didn't want the region anyway, they just wanted to kill goons since they smacked in the first cloud ring thread. So I guess without goals, noone can win and noone can lose. (did goons lose sov btw?) Now it's just a mess tho ugh


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