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sinickal
Minmatar
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 20:55:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Masta Killa
BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!


who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)

Dragerest
Amarr
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:12:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa
BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!


who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)


burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs. Laughing

Mandrake Knight
Gallente
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:17:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 18/07/2006 21:18:42
So now that all the territory claiming hostiles are destroyed in Deklein, will you be leaving or sticking around?

Just curious is all.

Masta Killa
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:59:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Dragerest
Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa
BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!


who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)


burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs. Laughing


And you are a clueless noob.

Our corpname in your local makes you log out.

Aramark
Amarr
Omega Enterprises
0mega Factor
Posted - 2006.07.18 22:16:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Aramark on 18/07/2006 22:21:40
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Dragerest
Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa
BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!


who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)


burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs. Laughing


And you are a clueless noob.

Our corpname in your local makes you log out.

LaughingLaughing no it sounds like this over TS.. "burn eden in local...**** i don't have enough warp scarmblers"
its a game, calm down.

Dinique
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.19 00:52:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Dinique on 19/07/2006 00:52:46
stupid bloody forum software

Dinique
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.19 00:52:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Various D2 forum warriors blaming Goons for SPARTA's fall

I´m sure GS will come to aid their allies immediately. Like we have seen in the last days...Sad

They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north...
I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial.



Obviously, SPARTA's fall is because the evil forces of the Swarm did nothing to help their new 'allies', and that the Swarm left SPARTA to hang in the wind before the wrath of D2. Right?


Well, Goonies including directors (yourself even) have been going on and on about how you won't hang them out to dry and how you stand by your allies and so on and so forth. There were hardly any of you around, resistance in Deklein has been all but non-existant.

SPARTA is gone. And on Monday you were still going on about how strong you all are and how you are going to kick ass. Why didn't that happen? We put 12 POSes into re-inforced in a single night while our support fleet fell asleep at the gates.

Atleast I get to chuckle as I go back and read posts by the likes of Stahl-I-cant-remember-the-rest-of-your-name now :)

Dinique
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.19 01:02:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Masta Killa
BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!


D2 PILOTS UNDOCKED IN BKG RUN AWAAAAY

Very Happy

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2006.07.19 01:21:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 19/07/2006 01:22:16
Actually quite a few of us were there.

I remember on the first night that the NAP was announced we went up to Deklien with a 90 man gang, with another 20 goons or something already up there.

I logged out in my raven in CDZ with the idea that for the next few days I would simply join in whatever Sparta defense gang was going on. Unfortunately there werent any Confused.

The next few days I spent sat in a safe spot bored out my mind while the same few Sparta guys from the same few corps tried make a defense effort, but it always ended them plus a couple of dozen goons sat safespotted because D2 had the system locked down.

I eventually suicided my raven out of boredom :v



As far as I know Sparta never announced a rally time for a really big defense op when their POS started getting hit hard. I think if Sparta had said that all their POS were being attacked and they were going to do a giant defense effort on a night and engage the D2 dreads then we would have definitely formed up a decent reinforcement fleet in XZH and sped up to get involved in that.


Like I said, I felt sorry for the Sparta who obviously wanted to try and fight for their territory but couldn’t persuade most of their corps to commit to fighting. They all seemed nice guys on TS too, it was a shame. It just felt like the whole Deklien thing was over before it even begun.

Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.07.19 01:32:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:36:44
Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:33:14
Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 19/07/2006 01:22:16
I logged out in my raven in CDZ with the idea that for the next few days I would simply join in whatever Sparta defense gang was going on. Unfortunately there werent any Confused.



And now guess why. Because most of them didn't want to fight their true friends as much as we didn't enjoy fighting them.
And one goon even dared to call them "brothers" in a previous post, obviously lacking any knowledge of Sparta's history and stronger bonds that have developed between Sparta pilots and D2 pilots. A few idiots in their lead don't change that overnight.

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.19 01:40:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:43:58
Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:43:31
Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:42:08
Originally by: Nafri
When leadership decides to turn against longtime friends without considering this which each membercorp, do you really expect any participation from those corps?

When I talked with most Sparta guys around CDZJ they werent really interested in fighting us and couldnt understand to what should lead it.
They joined Sparta to have a relativly peacefull live in 0.0 and not to be somebodies meatshield. Dont expect them to field large fleets, when they arent really interested in it.
For not keeping control of alliance in their hands, a lot of sparta corps payed a high price and lost a lot of money. A outpost and dozens of POS were lost without any real reason.
People from Sparta command probably know that this could have found a better end, but things happened and nothing can be changed now.




Eh, I don't really see how things could have worked out any differently for SPARTA, no matter what choices the leadership made, given their general reluctance to fight. IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed, and D2 had already refused to help Sparta defend themselves despite Sparta's willingness to help d2 in combat ops (ironically, against GoonSwarm).

So Sparta was really caught between a rock and a hard place. Either way they were going to have to fight several dedicated PvP alliances. By allying with us in Goonswarm, they at least got an ally who was willing to, and in fact did, commit significant fleets to their aid -- something d2, their titular former friends, were unwilling to do. But a lot of people just aren't willing to fight for what they want in this game, and unfortunately those Sparta who were willing to fight got deserted -- first by D2, and secondly by their erstwhile fellow alliance members.

Originally by: Bavarian Punk

And now guess why. Because most of them didn't want to fight their true friends as much as we didn't enjoy fighting them.
And one goon even dared to call them "brothers" in a previous post, obviously lacking any knowledge of Sparta's history and stronger bonds that have developed between Sparta pilots and D2 pilots. A few idiots in their lead don't change that overnight.


If d2 had been "true friends" against Sparta, d2 would not have tolerated IRON and FLA's aggression against Sparta. You can argue particulars of the various agreements and contracts involved, but when it came down to shooting, d2 was content to let IRON push Sparta out of Deklein. Some "true friends."

Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.07.19 01:55:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 02:07:48
Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:56:16
Oh yeah, regarding the myth that we betrayed Sparta because we didn't help them: It's been said before but it doesn't seem to get in bees' heads. Which side should D2 have chosen? IRON? FLA? NFC? Sparta? THEY WERE ALL BLUE GODDAMMIT! D2 was more than unhappy with those parties going to war against eachother but there was nothing that could have possibly been done on D2's side apart from trying to settle this on a diplomatic level. And trust me, D2's diplomats were trying everything they could to deescalate the situation. Given the parties involved, it was impossible for D2 to choose a side. Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends.

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:01:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:56:16
Oh yeah, regarding the myth that we betrayed Sparta because we didn't help them: It's been said before but it doesn't seem to get in bee's heads. Which side should D2 have chosen? IRON? FLA? NFC? Sparta? THEY WERE ALL BLUE GODDAMMIT! D2 was more than unhappy with those parties going to war against eachother but there was nothing that could have possibly been done on D2's side apart from trying to settle this on a diplomatic level. And trust me, D2's diplomats were trying everything they could to deescalate the situation. Given the parties involved, it was impossible for D2 to choose a side. Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends.
You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:03:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Bavarian Punk

Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends.


Sad thing is you allowed it to happen.

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:07:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Cringeley
You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).


Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was. But to follow on to Cringeley's analogy: I think every corporation in the game has a basic rule that if one member shoots at another member, for any reason, without clearing it with the corporate directors, the aggressive member gets disciplined and/or booted. What's good policy at a corporate level is good policy at the alliance level, too, and the failure to enforce such a basic policy shows exactly how much d2 valued their "true friends" in Sparta.

FotoFlame
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:27:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Calenth
IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed,


You're either incredibly misinformed or just plain dense.

~Foto

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:35:00 - [197]
 

Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 02:39:05
Originally by: FotoFlame
Originally by: Calenth
IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed,


You're either incredibly misinformed or just plain dense.

~Foto


Eh, the chatlogs are on these forums somewhere (I can't remember the thread) but they're there, and they pretty much speak for themselves. Anyone can read them, and the conclusions aren't too hard to draw.

Shyalud
Gallente
Celestine Prophecy
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:37:00 - [198]
 

Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.

Ceratin
Amarr
Black Lance
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:38:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Nafri
not to be somebodies meatshield.

Originally by: Doctor Pod
Unless they are D2's meatshield


ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :)

Miram Teldarin
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:57:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Shyalud
Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.


Back our allies? Until a bigger group comes by you can sell out to?

ERA loved the backing you provided. Are you making enough silver in D2 now Judas?

FotoFlame
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.19 03:02:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: FotoFlame on 19/07/2006 03:03:34

Originally by: Calenth

Eh


At your observations generally. If anything there was a reluctance to goto war with Sparta because of a well known agreement we had made with them. Even after they had merged with the NFC and taken temporary control of lower dek it took a couple of more convo's before they left us no choice.

~Foto

Truth Serum
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2006.07.19 04:52:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Shyalud
cDc will back our allies


Your allies are whomever is strongest at the time.

for shame

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.19 05:27:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Shyalud
Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.


This is a special kind of funny.

Alctel Prime
Caldari
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.19 06:19:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Alctel Prime on 19/07/2006 06:20:50

Originally by: Ceratin
Originally by: Nafri
not to be somebodies meatshield.

Originally by: Doctor Pod
Unless they are D2's meatshield


ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :)


Quoting this, because whenever we engage D2 it always seems to be E-R leading the charge. You guys are really on the wrong side! :)

Jancen Sykes
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.07.19 06:39:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Jancen Sykes on 19/07/2006 06:40:58
Originally by: Calenth



Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was.


Well until a special event happened, sparta and NFC where also allowed to dock on our Stations. So every side had gain the same from us.

Or do you want to blame ISS now too that they arnt neutral because your enemys can dock there too?

And dont you guys forget something about this? The first war was between FLA+Iron against NFC+OPus. As far as i know D˛ talked with Iron and Sparta that sparta keep neutral in this conflict and for that they wont get attacked by Iron.

After this War was ofer and NFC disbanded and The most NFC Corps joined Sparta immideatly claiming their old region, now owned by Iron back. so if you be exact Sparta agressed iron.

well i think it doesnt even matter what ever we had done. It had be the wrong course of action so or so, just because you Goonguys need some new food propagandamaschin filled with half-truth and missinformations.


A wait there is a post from you wich got my attention. You guys state that you know that the IRON-Dreads could dock at our station because you guys killed 2 of them while the others docked. You refer in this sentence the time before we set Sparta to -10 ( if not he didnt even had to mention it ) thats quit interesting.

and now have fun to take this post apart with your own "interpretations ".


Edit: @ Shyalud: sorry i dont get your post. Just tell me on wich side you are fighting now so that i know if i have to by more ammo or not... oh.. wait... iam Amarr.. i even dont need ammo. well nevermind it then.

Luthien Firefoot
Caldari
V I R I I
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.19 07:41:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: Luthien Firefoot on 19/07/2006 07:44:12

Luthien Firefoot
Caldari
V I R I I
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.19 07:42:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Calenth
Originally by: Cringeley
You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).


Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was. But to follow on to Cringeley's analogy: I think every corporation in the game has a basic rule that if one member shoots at another member, for any reason, without clearing it with the corporate directors, the aggressive member gets disciplined and/or booted. What's good policy at a corporate level is good policy at the alliance level, too, and the failure to enforce such a basic policy shows exactly how much d2 valued their "true friends" in Sparta.


Why does D2 or IRON or anyone else need or want to answer to you, or anyone from your blobbing, lag creating alliance.
Go nap ASCN or sumthing, doh too late nubcake...

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.19 07:43:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Nafri on 19/07/2006 07:43:46
Originally by: Ceratin
Originally by: Nafri
not to be somebodies meatshield.

Originally by: Doctor Pod
Unless they are D2's meatshield


ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :)




Im meatshield myself, the good part about beeing meathshield is that you get the most fun Very Happy

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.19 08:35:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Cringeley
You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).


That rl analogy does not hold up. The conflict was not that one sided and you're trying to act overly naive to paint D2 bad.

Deja Thoris
Amarr
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2006.07.19 10:03:00 - [210]
 

Wait!

Isn't this thread about Alektraphobia?


It's the first time I've fought them and since their first stated goal in thedragoons post was to "Counter any threat of MC in the area" I'd say you failed totally.


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