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The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 16:35:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Gabriel BriGGs

Hahaha.. Woodlouse and Lorth own this thread. Don't even bother posting anymore because those 2 are the most logical of all and you can't beat them, so honestly, stop it! I love them both <3


Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!

You can even see on our kb for involved ppl in every fight (click the red "F") that this is exactly NOT the case nearly EVERY time.

Oh my god, please if you wanna lie SO blatantly come up with something better.

Unbelievable...


Unbelieveable, indeed.

Atara Thalia
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 17:40:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!

You can even see on our kb for involved ppl in every fight (click the red "F") that this is exactly NOT the case nearly EVERY time.

Oh my god, please if you wanna lie SO blatantly come up with something better.

Unbelievable...

D2 wouldn't give us the fight we were looking for so we went ratting.

Erm, which fight are you looking for??? When you have 5 to 1 odds? Or more? And if conditions of a fight dont suit you, you stand by and watch 18 posses of your allies getting put into reinforce mode?


Hey, Im just telling you what it looks like from my perspective. The only combat I've seen from D2+friends in the past 3-4 days have been cheap ganks. Maybe I'm just not in the right area? Rolling Eyes

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 18:17:00 - [153]
 

Target Rich environment \o/ LaughingCool

Gl to Goons and their allies , woody looks like u have a full deck now so GL also on that fight Wink


@ Lunas LOOOOOOOL u realy dotn know when to zip it dont ya Wink

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.07.17 22:52:00 - [154]
 

Welcome back Gabriel, we kept the place warm for ya.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.18 08:48:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Atara Thalia
Edited by: Atara Thalia on 17/07/2006 07:43:55
Originally by: Logan Williams

Does "standing by your allies" include leaching NPC's out of their refinery system while they are camped in less than 3 jumps away?

If not, you may want to fill Fizzix in. He was having too much fun in UEJX-G, carelessly NPC'ing while his mates suffered.

Nice friends Sparta. They don't respect your rules for systems (UEJX = no NPC'ing or mining). What makes you think they respect you?


Hey, Dont forget about me. I was there too, blatently exploiting Sparta for their Gurista rats. Do you know how sick I am of shooting at Serpentis.

Seriously though, Fizzix came up with the same convoy as me that spent 4+ hours putting random POSes into reinforced. One time we had our battleships shooting at a POS when and the rest of us sitting camping one of the gates. There was an equal sized enemy force that was headed straight for us. We waited and waited, but this EQUALLY MATCHED force would never engage us, just run back and forth trying to find another way around us. We didnt even have our battleships there. At about 2 in the morning we wandered on over to CZD so most of our people could log off. Alot of us stayed up to try and fight the D2 + friends harassing people in that system but they seemed to be content with warping an eagle or other sniper in at 200km just to pop a frig then warp off. Since it became apparent that the only thing I was going to get in CZD was bored, I asked our Sparta people where I could go to rat and thats where they sent me. Noone ever mentioned anything about it being off limits. The only time I could get any D2 or ally to engage me that night was when I had switched over to ratting gear and had already wasted all my cap tanking a rat when I got jumped by 4 hostiles. The same thing happened in Syndicate a day or two earlier. A D2 gank squad came to town to try and cause trouble. They had no problems engaging people when they caught them one at a time, but when we and 3FA got together a similarly sized defense gang the only thing D2 would engage was their warp drives straight to their safespot where they waited until most of the gang got bored.

I have some mad respect for the D2 that have actually been giving us good even numbered fights, but most of the time even if we are looking to get killed D2 wont engage us unless they are positive they have a bigger fleet and can win. Some D2 are like a bad girlfriend, constantly leaving me with blue balls.

Edit: Post is kind long so I'll shorten it. D2 wouldn't give us the fight we were looking for so we went ratting. We didn't know UEJ was off limits, noone told us, and infact I'm pretty sure a high ranking sparta guy was the one who told us to go there.


i think your post is going in my direction also, because i was the scout who found you in the belt ... tbh - hunting while hostiles are around was ALWAYS a bad idea ... or did you forget that i was only 15minutes before you got ganked allready in local - looking for something?? when i left you started again to hunt ... so no sympathy from me ...

but props to the SPARTA gang that left their gatecamp in czd to help you ... you were damn fast .. but a bit too late at the place of action ..

atara, maybe you should have supported SPARTA at their gatecamp and not risking your ship when npcing Wink

Luke Skyrider
Minmatar
DAB
Posted - 2006.07.18 09:31:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Luke Skyrider on 18/07/2006 09:31:46
Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Edited by: Andre Carnegi on 16/07/2006 21:58:32
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Andre Carnegi

If you don't like the manner in which the war is being conducted, you should do what you can to change the terms of engagement. Asymetric warfare is not carried out by two parties "presenting" themselves on the battlefield according to somebody's narrow perspective. Complaining about it is just a sign that your enemies have a strategy you can't counter.


Well for one, I'm no longer in the conflict.

But as to your uber uncountrable stratagy. Lets ask sparta who have been left alone to the lions, what they think of it.

I stand by my assertion that you are supposed to present your self on the battle field. Goon's have willinly and openly allowed thier allies to become splintered and kill off one at a time. Good move.


Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon. Unlike D2, we've stood by our allies
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Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 10:12:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon.


The map is already changing. There will be no Sparta or NFC POS's left in the key systems of Deklein when we leave the region.

That is all.

Zillazuki
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Cult of War
Posted - 2006.07.18 11:21:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon.


The map is already changing. There will be no Sparta or NFC POS's left in the key systems of Deklein when we leave the region.

That is all.


We'll never let it happen! Over our dead bodies! Oh, wait...crap...well that sucks.


Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.07.18 11:23:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Seleene
The map is already changing. There will be no Sparta or NFC POS's left in the key systems of Deklein when we leave the region.

That is all.


Have I told you lately Seleene that I love my job?

Hans Roaming
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.07.18 12:25:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: thedragoon
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.


I guess that time has come to pass.

NOObbody
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.18 12:35:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: thedragoon
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.


I guess that time has come to pass.


Im sure GS will come to aid their allies immediately. Like we have seen in the last days...Sad

Shimpu
Caldari
Sensory Overload
Posted - 2006.07.18 14:18:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: thedragoon
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.


I guess that time has come to pass.


Im sure GS will come to aid their allies immediately. Like we have seen in the last days...Sad


They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north...
I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial. Confused

thedragoon
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2006.07.18 15:52:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: thedragoon
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.


I guess that time has come to pass.


Well it is time's like this that you see what alliances are made of Sparta had alot of internal problems beyond mining PVP proved to be to much 1 day into my alliance moving into the area they Fell apart without loosing sov

1- the leader of sparta had RL issues and can no longer play the game again ( how many times we heard that as an alliance fall's Shocked)

Anyhow Aside from the set back for goonfleet we will be intesifying our raids into D2 space and falling back when needed to assist goonfleet.

our work in the north is not yet over if we can make a diffrence then we will continue to be here i see 1 of 2 things happening.

1 D2 lose further ground to Goonfleet and will fall apart
leaving the north to continue to be a bloodbath FFA

2 D2 will push goon out and they will move back to s-u

What ever the outcome we will have fun and either way it makes no diffrece to us as long as there are explosions and targets to shoot.


The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:32:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Various D2 forum warriors blaming Goons for SPARTA's fall

Im sure GS will come to aid their allies immediately. Like we have seen in the last days...Sad

They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north...
I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial.



Obviously, SPARTA's fall is because the evil forces of the Swarm did nothing to help their new 'allies', and that the Swarm left SPARTA to hang in the wind before the wrath of D2. Right?

Oh hay, what does this SPARTA mail say?

Quote:
2006.07.17 16:23

The reason I issued the alliance mail is because I joined a gang this morning to defend the station. There was 80+ alliance members on and 2(including myself) in the gang. The others in gang were Goons and Alek. Now when they asked why thre was only 2 Sparta in the gang I was embarrased. I tried to get more alliance involved but noone would join. They asked "So Sparta wants help against the odds but wont help themselves?".

And that about sums it up. It is sad but true. We have found Goons to be trustworthy and helpfull. They are helping in Dek while they have there own battles in OR and Fade. I cant imagine how I would feel if I were them. I would deffinately withdraw any support. It is too bad... I really liked alot of the guys in sparta who were active in Dek's defense. But after this morning,,, I cant look alliance chat without wanting to POD 95% of the pilots I see there. I apologize if my actions or words reflect poorly on the corp. But it is the sad truth. Our freinds are losing ships, time, and isk to help those not willing to help ourselves...


Those dastardly goons! How dare they! How dare Remedial! It's a SCANDAL, I tell you!

IStra Tego
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:41:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Shimpu
They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north...
I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial. Confused



Well...a lot of pilots didn't. That explains the lack of resistance.

TWD
Minmatar
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:43:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: thedragoon

our work in the north is not yet over if we can make a diffrence then we will continue to be here i see 1 of 2 things happening.

1 D2 lose further ground to Goonfleet and will fall apart
leaving the north to continue to be a bloodbath FFA

2 D2 will push goon out and they will move back to s-u

What ever the outcome we will have fun and either way it makes no diffrece to us as long as there are explosions and targets to shoot.





I'm gonna flip a coin and its gonna be either heads or tails.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:43:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: The Mittani

Those dastardly goons! How dare they! How dare Remedial! It's a SCANDAL, I tell you!


your alliance is meassured by it's own words .. plz read post #102 and #103 in this thread.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:51:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: The Mittani on 18/07/2006 16:52:31
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: The Mittani

Those dastardly goons! How dare they! How dare Remedial! It's a SCANDAL, I tell you!


your alliance is meassured by it's own words .. plz read post #102 and #103 in this thread.


Quite so, dearie, quite so.

Originally by: Goons pledging to fight and die for SPARTA

"Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon. Unlike D2, we've stood by our allies."

"Being that you are 'no longer in the conflict' it's good that you have the insight to say that Sparta has been 'left alone to the lions'. All of GoonSwarm is united in purpose, and that purpose is to make Sparta believe in a week or two from now that we are the best possible allies they could have asked for. How about instead of everyone talking about how Sparta is going to die, wait a week and see how far down the road you've gone to crushing Sparta. Not if the Swarm has anything to say about it."


And, as you can plainly see from the mail I posted above, the Swarm did indeed fight and die for SPARTA like the loyal allies we are.

Of course, half or more of SPARTA didn't fight and promptly fled to empire, begging for mercy from D2... but we are proud to have flown next to those Spartans who lived up to their name. Like I've said in another thread, we consider them brothers, and they will always have a home and shelter with us, unlike the others who get to enjoy Jita and Veldspar.

Edit: I hear that the veldspar is of a particularly sweet vintage this year, though!



CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2006.07.18 17:21:00 - [169]
 

I spent 2 and a half days safespotted in Deklien trying to get into a gang big enough to do something it was pretty frustrating.

I think the only way we could have changed it to be honest is if we absolutely moved everything we had up there.

It seemed to me like a lot of the Sparta corps started leaving from day 1 and a lot more hung on the side lines staying out of it while they saw which way it was going to swing, leaving a dedicated smaller number who wanted to fight for their land.

I ended up feeling really sorry for some of the Sparta guys who clearly did want to fight, it seemed to be a lot of the same names I saw who were trying to make things happen, but just couldnt get anywhere near the numbers even with some of us up there.

I hope we can play a part in helping the guys who did stay to the end bounce back in the future.

BuSHiDo ZiN
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.18 17:23:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: The Mittani

Those dastardly goons! How dare they! How dare Remedial! It's a SCANDAL, I tell you!


your alliance is meassured by it's own words .. plz read post #102 and #103 in this thread.


As is yours, please read every post in previous threads where your members have claimed that Goonfleet would not be in XZH for more than a week

PhannJodoxis
Minmatar
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.18 17:27:00 - [171]
 

I was there every day and night after work as part of the forces that Sparta was able to field. Said Sparta forces diminished daily. Sparta's leadership refused to communicate with the member base causing even the good dedicated loyal members to get angry - some quit. More members of lessor principle continued to jumped ship. Eventually it was Sparta fielding 20 gang members at peak time and Goons bringing the rest.

Goons supported Sparta heavily. The logistics and odds were all obvious problems. Oh and of course those massive Sparta internal issues.

In the end Goons did not fail Sparta. Sparta failed the Goons.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.18 17:31:00 - [172]
 

When leadership decides to turn against longtime friends without considering this which each membercorp, do you really expect any participation from those corps?

When I talked with most Sparta guys around CDZJ they werent really interested in fighting us and couldnt understand to what should lead it.
They joined Sparta to have a relativly peacefull live in 0.0 and not to be somebodies meatshield. Dont expect them to field large fleets, when they arent really interested in it.
For not keeping control of alliance in their hands, a lot of sparta corps payed a high price and lost a lot of money. A outpost and dozens of POS were lost without any real reason.
People from Sparta command probably know that this could have found a better end, but things happened and nothing can be changed now.


PhannJodoxis
Minmatar
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.18 17:57:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Nafri
When leadership decides to turn against longtime friends without considering this which each membercorp, do you really expect any participation from those corps?



Yes, this is one of the many issues isnt it? I was just a regular old member of Sparta, but it is clear that Sparta Leadership, as in those who made The Decision, didnt do a whole array of things well or correcly.

They made a plan with Goons and allied with them for various reasons. Then Sparta failed to even remotely hold up their side of things. I dont believe the idea was that Goons would have there entire force in norther Dek 24/7 to help a soon to be horribly crippled Sparta, that would go from 1500 members at the start of it to like 500 in no time. Is this because so many in Sparta left, or just stay on the sidelines waiting to see what happens? Yes. And that demonstrates all the more how Sparta failed the Goons, and not the other way around.

Was it a foolish badly planned full of holes decision to began with?.. Sure, great and wise leaders (or even moderately level headed leadersLaughing) are not a dime a dozen. But the issue here is the fact that Goons were great allies, and I know they have earned my loyalty along with at least a few others of principle.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.18 18:13:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: The Mittani

Those dastardly goons! How dare they! How dare Remedial! It's a SCANDAL, I tell you!


your alliance is meassured by it's own words .. plz read post #102 and #103 in this thread.


As is yours, please read every post in previous threads where your members have claimed that Goonfleet would not be in XZH for more than a week


would you be please so kind and link me to all those posts ... after looking through 20+ pages i wasn't able to find these posts, but i got headache Confused - though i found one by Gyro who wasn't at this time member of D saying FSP and STV will kick the goonies butts before they can say "blob" ... so please would you help me find these posts?? thx in advance

Jancen Sykes
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.07.18 18:21:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Jancen Sykes on 18/07/2006 18:27:33
sorry but i didnt see Goonfleet support you that badly like you try to tell us they did.

sure i wasnt their in goonfleets primetime but well... that what i have seen of the goons in deklein where a small fleet who wants to help you thats right. But the most hours a day i spent in shooting unarmed or small armed posses. from arround 10 posses there where only 2 well defended and 2 light defended.

The only significant thing i got noticed from goons was that they tried to attack branch ( they even failed with that ).

So its true goons tried to help you, but after i have seen what the goons can do just with there pure numbers and their imrpessive logistic in xzh.. i dont see that they really tried to help you, sorry. the only thing have noticed it that they used your station in deklein as an attackspot for branch.

but well its just my point of view after seeing goons in xzh and seeing goons in deklein ( oh and btw dont say that there where such great fights in CR and Syndicate because that where just small engagements who havnt need the whole goonfleet participating in it ).

Octavios
Caldari
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.18 18:26:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Octavios on 18/07/2006 18:27:42

this is the best read/entertainment ever, i dont even play the game anymore lol, i just read these forums and train my character
Laughing

SATAN
Amarr
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.07.18 18:55:00 - [177]
 

Frag stay out of our area...

Ours ALL ours, go find your own fish...

Alois Zimmer
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.18 20:04:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Shimpu

They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north...
I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial. Confused



Nice Troll. I don't know what your problem is Shimpu, but could you stop trolling the forum? You don't like us, fine, but stop going around and posting flamebait in everything thread.

That being said, I wish the fighters of Sparta well.

Masta Killa
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
Posted - 2006.07.18 20:16:00 - [179]
 

BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!

Doctor Pod
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.18 20:26:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Nafri

When I talked with most Sparta guys around CDZJ they werent really interested in fighting


Shocking! If you arent an npc they dont hve much interest in fighting you.


Originally by: Nafri
They joined Sparta to have a relativly peacefull live in 0.0
Which is exactly why they are all back in empire. 0.0 = fighting, if you cant fight for your space, you will lose it sooner or later

Originally by: Nafri
not to be somebodies meatshield.
Unless they are D2's meatshield





You're whole post reflects why all these northern entities fall every few months. You make sure they are all weak and alligned with their mothers (d2). They never have the chance to become more than gank fodder. Good work again in the north. Let the next cycle of weak alliances begin.


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