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Amerame
Gallente
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:21:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Amerame on 17/07/2006 01:21:37
Originally by: Lorth
Which of course resulted in them having 18 POS's put into refenforced, as well as a whole wack of ships.


I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?

Bitter Vet
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:22:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Lorth

I'd like to raise a beer to two people. A drunken goonfleet director who said way more then he should. And a disgruntaled X-Sparta leader who I have known in game for a long while. Not to mention the numerous friends I have in the ranks of D2.


maybe you should go back to d2 since you post in every single thread about how much goon sucks and d2 rocks

Truth Serum
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:25:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Lorth


Well nice to see the clerification that Goons will not fight unless they are certain they will win.
Laughing You're going to pretend that D2 isn't as bad or wore in that department?Laughing

Logan Williams
Caldari
Bi-Polar Bears
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:28:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Edited by: Andre Carnegi on 16/07/2006 21:58:32
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Andre Carnegi

If you don't like the manner in which the war is being conducted, you should do what you can to change the terms of engagement. Asymetric warfare is not carried out by two parties "presenting" themselves on the battlefield according to somebody's narrow perspective. Complaining about it is just a sign that your enemies have a strategy you can't counter.


Well for one, I'm no longer in the conflict.

But as to your uber uncountrable stratagy. Lets ask sparta who have been left alone to the lions, what they think of it.

I stand by my assertion that you are supposed to present your self on the battle field. Goon's have willinly and openly allowed thier allies to become splintered and kill off one at a time. Good move.


Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon. Unlike D2, we've stood by our allies.



Does "standing by your allies" include leaching NPC's out of their refinery system while they are camped in less than 3 jumps away?

If not, you may want to fill Fizzix in. He was having too much fun in UEJX-G, carelessly NPC'ing while his mates suffered.

Nice friends Sparta. They don't respect your rules for systems (UEJX = no NPC'ing or mining). What makes you think they respect you?

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:38:00 - [125]
 

If that's all you can think up to stir up trouble, you're really grasping at straws.

Manion Taleroth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:47:00 - [126]
 

I'm very curious as to Alektorophobia's impetus. Is it because of the previous statement that you would counter MC's contracts or is it to fight alongside your ally Burn Eden? Probably both, but which one was the more inspiring factor?

Regardless I know that I will be glad to see you as friendly. Seeing previous hostiles become current allies has always been one of my favorite things in online games.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:48:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Lorth on 17/07/2006 01:49:23
No use argueing with alts. They know all.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:49:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Lorth
Well nice to see the clerification that Goons will not fight unless they are certain they will win.
That isn't what was said at all. Grow up.


Then please explain to me exactly what you ment? And why goons logged off, or just dissapeared leaving sparta alone today?

AngryCanuk
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.07.17 01:58:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Amerame
Edited by: Amerame on 17/07/2006 01:21:37
Originally by: Lorth
Which of course resulted in them having 18 POS's put into refenforced, as well as a whole wack of ships.


I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?



D2 destroyed 3 goon pos's in I-UU afew days ago over the course of a night.....

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:12:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Then please explain to me exactly what you meant?
It should be pretty obvious that what we meant was that we, like you, do not throw our ships away except to achieve an objective. What Lunas seems to want is for us to log on specially in D2 primetime, with no objective to pursue, and file our ships slowly past his snipers so he can rack up killmails. D2 mostly don't come at us during our primetime. Why should we play differently?

It's especially lol because as others have mentioned D2 started the POS spam and now Lunas is complaining that goons have "lost all his respect" (yeah right, you should see what he says about us in local) because we are fighting a POS war that they started. We came in and put up just enough towers to go for sovereignty, and then D2 came and started spamming when it appeared their dreadnought attacks weren't going to break us instantly. Of course if they're spamming towers we have to match them, but we would have been extremely happy to go on having fleet engagements and cutting our teeth on dreadnoughts instead.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:14:00 - [131]
 

To be fair, and honestly as nuetral as I can be.

No one should be blamed for starting, or engaging in a POS war(in really any conflict). Its the mechanics of the game, and easiest way to achieve an objective.

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:16:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Lorth
To be fair, and honestly as nuetral as I can be.

No one should be blamed for starting, or engaging in a POS war(in really any conflict). Its the mechanics of the game, and easiest way to achieve an objective.
I agree completely. I'm not annoyed that D2 played it that way, I'm annoyed that people like Lunas are trying to score off us for "POS spamming" when we didn't choose for the war to go that way.

thedragoon
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:32:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Manion Taleroth
I'm very curious as to Alektorophobia's impetus. Is it because of the previous statement that you would counter MC's contracts or is it to fight alongside your ally Burn Eden? Probably both, but which one was the more inspiring factor?

Regardless I know that I will be glad to see you as friendly. Seeing previous hostiles become current allies has always been one of my favorite things in online games.


Well we are here as a supporting force to goonies and sparta..

D2 want the good old days back with iron we are here to ensure that will not happen.

for the most part we are here to harass and delay while allowing sparta and goon to proceed with the next actions.

Mc will be here until there contract ends
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.

Manion Taleroth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.17 02:41:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: thedragoon
Originally by: Manion Taleroth
I'm very curious as to Alektorophobia's impetus. Is it because of the previous statement that you would counter MC's contracts or is it to fight alongside your ally Burn Eden? Probably both, but which one was the more inspiring factor?

Regardless I know that I will be glad to see you as friendly. Seeing previous hostiles become current allies has always been one of my favorite things in online games.


Well we are here as a supporting force to goonies and sparta..

D2 want the good old days back with iron we are here to ensure that will not happen.

for the most part we are here to harass and delay while allowing sparta and goon to proceed with the next actions.

Mc will be here until there contract ends
We will be here until D2 is gone or Sparta and goonfleet do not need us anylonger.



If that's the case, you're invited to the next barbecue I throw. You have to get your own tickets to Texas, however.

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.07.17 03:39:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Amerame
Edited by: Amerame on 17/07/2006 01:21:37
Originally by: Lorth
Which of course resulted in them having 18 POS's put into refenforced, as well as a whole wack of ships.


I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?



It would take every Goon and Sparta member to be able to recharge the shields on that many POS before D2 primetime comes around again. And unlike XZH, where Goons were fighting mostly D2, there are many more pilots in the US timezone when you throw in all the other corps allied with D2 now against Sparta.

Truth Serum
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2006.07.17 03:59:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Amerame
Edited by: Amerame on 17/07/2006 01:21:37
Originally by: Lorth
Which of course resulted in them having 18 POS's put into refenforced, as well as a whole wack of ships.


I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?



It would take every Goon and Sparta member to be able to recharge the shields on that many POS before D2 primetime comes around again. And unlike XZH, where Goons were fighting mostly D2, there are many more pilots in the US timezone when you throw in all the other corps allied with D2 now against Sparta.


Yes, D2 certainly has a lt of slave corps, no denying that one.

Dreiden Kisada
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 04:01:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Then please explain to me exactly what you ment?


I mean, that we fight to acheive objectives. Often times we will suicide our ships for our objectives. Which can include destroying the enemy fleet entirely, or breaking enough ships that they are no long combat effective as a unit. A delaying action, like camping gates...which may turn into an interdiction if there is enough support. Or, attacking the enemy where we have the advantage...their wallets. Our ships are cheap, theirs aren't. We lose 100 frigs, but blow up 3 t2 and faction fitted ships, then our objective is achieved.

However, just showing up to save face on the forums is not an objective. For two reasons:

A) They're forums. The real people making the real decisions has a much better picture of what is happening than what they read on the forums.
B) It doesn't matter anyway. We could warp in with 2 caracals and an inty, and totally anihilate 20 BSes, and our enemies would say it was exploits, or lag, or they're so disgusting rich that they sleep on a bed made of BSes fitted with faction gear. whatever. We're used to it. Its been happening as long as i've been a member of Goonfleet.

I'm not saying that we only engage when 100% certain of victory. That would be silly, because no one is ever 100% certain. I would have thought that would be obvious.

Crellion
Gallente
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:01:00 - [138]
 

Good luck to D2 from me just because I cant take all the alty posts in here that zmell Goonfleet.

[BTW Lunas and co we will be happy to see you pay us a yarrly visit of course once the tourney is over pls. Hmmmm ... if this Goon business takes too long we can come and help you and then once its over you can come and give us some fights perhaps? Like a week or two? <3 x-NBSI 4tw my <3 to MAZA]

Jancen Sykes
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.07.17 05:27:00 - [139]
 




I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?



That isnt actually right. We killed all 3 Goontowers in I-UU.

NOObbody
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.17 06:40:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: NOObbody on 17/07/2006 07:59:19
Originally by: Manion Taleroth
I'm very curious as to Alektorophobia's impetus. Is it because of the previous statement that you would counter MC's contracts or is it to fight alongside your ally Burn Eden? Probably both, but which one was the more inspiring factor?



Fun?

Atara Thalia
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 07:42:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Atara Thalia on 17/07/2006 07:43:55
Originally by: Logan Williams

Does "standing by your allies" include leaching NPC's out of their refinery system while they are camped in less than 3 jumps away?

If not, you may want to fill Fizzix in. He was having too much fun in UEJX-G, carelessly NPC'ing while his mates suffered.

Nice friends Sparta. They don't respect your rules for systems (UEJX = no NPC'ing or mining). What makes you think they respect you?


Hey, Dont forget about me. I was there too, blatently exploiting Sparta for their Gurista rats. Do you know how sick I am of shooting at Serpentis.

Seriously though, Fizzix came up with the same convoy as me that spent 4+ hours putting random POSes into reinforced. One time we had our battleships shooting at a POS when and the rest of us sitting camping one of the gates. There was an equal sized enemy force that was headed straight for us. We waited and waited, but this EQUALLY MATCHED force would never engage us, just run back and forth trying to find another way around us. We didnt even have our battleships there. At about 2 in the morning we wandered on over to CZD so most of our people could log off. Alot of us stayed up to try and fight the D2 + friends harassing people in that system but they seemed to be content with warping an eagle or other sniper in at 200km just to pop a frig then warp off. Since it became apparent that the only thing I was going to get in CZD was bored, I asked our Sparta people where I could go to rat and thats where they sent me. Noone ever mentioned anything about it being off limits. The only time I could get any D2 or ally to engage me that night was when I had switched over to ratting gear and had already wasted all my cap tanking a rat when I got jumped by 4 hostiles. The same thing happened in Syndicate a day or two earlier. A D2 gank squad came to town to try and cause trouble. They had no problems engaging people when they caught them one at a time, but when we and 3FA got together a similarly sized defense gang the only thing D2 would engage was their warp drives straight to their safespot where they waited until most of the gang got bored.

I have some mad respect for the D2 that have actually been giving us good even numbered fights, but most of the time even if we are looking to get killed D2 wont engage us unless they are positive they have a bigger fleet and can win. Some D2 are like a bad girlfriend, constantly leaving me with blue balls.

Edit: Post is kind long so I'll shorten it. D2 wouldn't give us the fight we were looking for so we went ratting. We didn't know UEJ was off limits, noone told us, and infact I'm pretty sure a high ranking sparta guy was the one who told us to go there.

Doragee
Minmatar
Unknown Society
Posted - 2006.07.17 07:47:00 - [142]
 

Reminds me badly at EVERY day i spend in S-U...ugh

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.17 09:42:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Atara Thalia

but most of the time even if we are looking to get killed D2 wont engage us unless they are positive they have a bigger fleet and can win.


Shocked OMG ... You just cant be serious ... ugh


Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.17 09:55:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Amerame
Edited by: Amerame on 17/07/2006 01:21:37
Originally by: Lorth
Which of course resulted in them having 18 POS's put into refenforced, as well as a whole wack of ships.


I don't see DČ being able to finish them up unless they ****ed it with the strontium. Putting PoSes in reinforced is much much easier than destroying them, when you put them in reinforced, you fight on your terms, when you try to finish it, you fight on enemy's terms. DČ has not been able to destroy Goon's PoS so far, why would they succeed detroying Sparta's PoS if goon help them ?



We already destroyed 4 L Goon Posses, you are wrong informed.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.17 10:08:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 17/07/2006 10:09:04
Originally by: Atara Thalia

I have some mad respect for the D2 that have actually been giving us good even numbered fights, but most of the time even if we are looking to get killed D2 wont engage us unless they are positive they have a bigger fleet and can win. Some D2 are like a bad girlfriend, constantly leaving me with blue balls.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!

You can even see on our kb for involved ppl in every fight (click the red "F") that this is exactly NOT the case nearly EVERY time.

Oh my god, please if you wanna lie SO blatantly come up with something better.

Unbelievable...

D2 wouldn't give us the fight we were looking for so we went ratting.

Erm, which fight are you looking for??? When you have 5 to 1 odds? Or more? And if conditions of a fight dont suit you, you stand by and watch 18 posses of your allies getting put into reinforce mode?

Shimpu
Caldari
Sensory Overload
Posted - 2006.07.17 10:22:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Edited by: Andre Carnegi on 16/07/2006 21:58:32
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Andre Carnegi

If you don't like the manner in which the war is being conducted, you should do what you can to change the terms of engagement. Asymetric warfare is not carried out by two parties "presenting" themselves on the battlefield according to somebody's narrow perspective. Complaining about it is just a sign that your enemies have a strategy you can't counter.


Well for one, I'm no longer in the conflict.

But as to your uber uncountrable stratagy. Lets ask sparta who have been left alone to the lions, what they think of it.

I stand by my assertion that you are supposed to present your self on the battle field. Goon's have willinly and openly allowed thier allies to become splintered and kill off one at a time. Good move.


Sparta's received a lot of support from us. They haven't folded yet, and we're not going to let them. Sparta still has sovereignty over its systems in deklein, and it's unlikely that they will lose sov. anytime soon. Unlike D2, we've stood by our allies.


That made my day. Seriously. Even when you consider that every post from either side in this conflict is influenced by their point of view these are cheap lies. Especially your support for them... Laughing

On a sidenote it's a pity to see an alliance die because they were fed with false promises and disinformation. Especially if it's because they trusted the lame Goons.

goze
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.17 16:01:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

You can even see on our kb for involved ppl in every fight (click the red "F") that this is exactly NOT the case nearly EVERY time.
It's been the case ever since you guys quit fighting in XZH. I've been pretty involved in the fighting, and D2 consistently avoids engagements unless they posses an overwhelmingly superior force, ie. a 2:1 ratio at the very least. Even then, they still use flighty sniper tactics, warping away any time a frigate gets within 50 km of their fleet.

I don't have any issues with your tactics, especially given the losses we've inflicted on you when we do lock you down with tacklers and force an engagement, but the chestbeating and baldfaced lying on the forums gets old.

Laythun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.17 16:16:00 - [148]
 

^^ hey dude...

When were taking regions next to our home, were going to have numbers to lock down the gates/area, if u guys are gonna pesist in sending 20-30 peopel token force then what u want us to do? tell the people to log off until u been smacked down?

anyway, i done with this thread. let our actions speak.

Good Day.

Gabriel BriGGs
Caldari
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.17 16:23:00 - [149]
 

Wow, all this stuff is crap and it's funny to see people go nuts over it. I guses when you are out of the game for a few months you look at stuff like this and have a good laugh at the folks going goofy over it.

Hahaha.. Woodlouse and Lorth own this thread. Don't even bother posting anymore because those 2 are the most logical of all and you can't beat them, so honestly, stop it! I love them both <3

Anyways, I'm sure what's going on is a lot better then sitting around doing nothing, so trying to act tough that you are going off on D2 and it's their end, blah blah blah, doesn't mean much.. I'm sure they welcome it, since it's something to do... so shut up and play.

Wrok
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.17 16:27:00 - [150]
 

This should be intresting...no disrespect to D2 but its barely been a fight between goons and d2 goons will and have been winning...judgeing by the map of course...but thedragoon's boys are'nt push over and d2 will have thier hands full


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