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Zimi Vlasic
Amarr
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2006.07.14 02:41:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 14/07/2006 02:46:17

Originally by: Helios Elemental
Edited by: Helios Elemental on 14/07/2006 01:30:37
Originally by: Archangel Deck
Edited by: Archangel Deck on 13/07/2006 03:38:13
So instead of peace like we wanted, Sparta let itself be controled by NFC napped GoonSwarm and now we have another war

Remember it was Sparta that came forward and told FLA/IRON to get out of dek, our one and only target was NFC, aww well fun to see Sparta die as well

Also remember it was GoonSwarm that prevented D2 from being able to help u even if they wanted to


IRON/FLA/CORE wanted peace? If by peace you mean to forcibly, and without just cause, take control of Deklein for your own interests at the expense of the current residents, then sure! Being that a lot of ex-NFC corps were INVITED to Sparta because we weren't left with many other options at the time, presupposing that we are controlling Sparta is so far off base I can't even begin to understand why you'd unjustifiably post something like that.

And your last statement, "even if they wanted to" --> that's the point, D2 didn't want to help, and fighting gewns was the perfect excuse not to.

You're calling the loss of the Cloud Ring stations and an intrusion into Fade an "excuse not to help"

You are way more gone than I could ever have imagined. Was D2 supposed to leave goons in cloud ring to help relieve what was at the time a much more minor issue?

What in the world crap are you being fed? Crap in, crap out.

tbow mentioned tinfoil hats, but he forgot to mention that Sparta were the ones wearing them.

ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar
Hookers From Mars
Posted - 2006.07.14 02:53:00 - [212]
 

Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.14 02:55:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

You're calling the loss of the Cloud Ring stations and an intrusion into Fade an "excuse not to help"

You are way more gone than I could ever have imagined. Was D2 supposed to leave goons in cloud ring to help relieve what was at the time a much more minor issue?

What in the world crap are you being fed? Crap in, crap out.

tbow mentioned tinfoil hats, but he forgot to mention that Sparta were the ones wearing them.


What I was talking about on the other page. Sparta members, you need to step back and think for a second. Ask your self, would leave a region to be taken over to assist an ally, fight anouther ally, in a fight that they started.

Read that sentance over a couple times, and you'll figure out how this whole situation came about, and have the irresistable urge to slap your own leaders up side the head.

Ur Dirac
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.07.14 02:57:00 - [214]
 

D2 is acting like a jilted lover.

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I TOOK YOU FOR GRANTED, WHY ARE YOU LEAVING MEEEEEEEE"

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.14 02:59:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Ur Dirac
D2 is acting like a jilted lover.

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I TOOK YOU FOR GRANTED, WHY ARE YOU LEAVING MEEEEEEEE"


Not really. I think most of D2 are bewilderd by the desision making of sparta leadership, and are still scratching thier head saying "WTF" in regards to this whole situation.

Attak
Minmatar
Trioptimum
Posted - 2006.07.14 03:58:00 - [216]
 

The funny thing is, I blame all alliances involved. You all had a part in starting this conflict. Sparta made a decision based on one or two people without talking to the so-called council about it, and let me assure you there were plenty of "wtf"'s floating around in alliance chat when the announcement came out. Be that as it may, Sparta will burn. I didn't like NFC for many reasons, and when they merged with Sparta, then napped goons we sealed our fate.

Now we've got an alliance without POS structure, without competant FC's, without industrial organization, without allies, without sound leadership and without reliable internal and external communication.

GL everyone, some will need it more than others.

Malecoda
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
Posted - 2006.07.14 04:21:00 - [217]
 

Honestly, I am shocked.

I have never seen much of Sparta Alliance but their lackluster camps in F7C. Usually consisting of small ships, stacked with jammers, warping to a safespot if anything bigger than a single shuttle made its way to the gate.

If I was IRON or D2 I would be worried, sitting in the same system for hours on end waiting for Sparta Alliance to leave their safespots or undock can cause a severe moral loss for D2 and IRON's troops. Combined with the awesome strategies of Goonfleet and their superior command, this seems to be a grim time for IRON and D2.

Seriously I wouldn't be able to do it, one look at Remedial's thanatos setup and I won't even be able to log on for days. I would be laughing too hard to position my fingers correctly to type my details in.

GL MC, IRON and D2

To Sparta Alliance, I hope your alliance dies and everyone laughs at you for years to come.

O'Sirius
Amarr
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2006.07.14 04:22:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Attak
The funny thing is, I blame all alliances involved. You all had a part in starting this conflict. Sparta made a decision based on one or two people without talking to the so-called council about it, and let me assure you there were plenty of "wtf"'s floating around in alliance chat when the announcement came out. Be that as it may, Sparta will burn. I didn't like NFC for many reasons, and when they merged with Sparta, then napped goons we sealed our fate.

Now we've got an alliance without POS structure, without competant FC's, without industrial organization, without allies, without sound leadership and without reliable internal and external communication.

GL everyone, some will need it more than others.


Ok, I guess not all Sparta are insane. Too bad we're having to shoot the good ones along with the bad ones.

Himphotep 87
Caldari
Kushan Army
Posted - 2006.07.14 04:46:00 - [219]
 

Sparta enemy?

Time to clean the space guys Twisted Evil

Mama ISK
Amarr
ISK Mama
Posted - 2006.07.14 04:59:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.


QFT Embarassed

Dinique
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.14 06:14:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Ur Dirac
D2 is acting like a jilted lover.

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I TOOK YOU FOR GRANTED, WHY ARE YOU LEAVING MEEEEEEEE"


Not really. I think most of D2 are bewilderd by the desision making of sparta leadership, and are still scratching thier head saying "WTF" in regards to this whole situation.


Why are you quoting our forums here? :'(

GrumpyCat
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:08:00 - [222]
 

So let me get this straight.

FLA wanted to "hump more moons" as stated by the burn eden guy.
FLA attacks NFC because NFC was hogging all the moons.
IRON joins FLA for some unknown reason.
FREE joins FLA/IRON because shooting people is fun.
Sparta -10 FLA/IRON/FREE.
10 minutes later they say "my bad" and restore standings
NFC guy is caught helping goonies so d2 -10 them.
NFC disbands and a bunch of the former nfc corps move to sparta.
Not sure what happened here but IRON/FREE/FLA and Sparta start to war it out.
FLA/IRON hire MC for their war effort even though they stated they were winning.
Sparta naps goons and -10 d2 claiming d2 was helping ignoring them(maybe its a language barrior thing?)
Bandwagon begins and everyone in the north -10 Sparta.

I'm sure i'm missing a bunch of things so feel free to add the other stuff.

This stuff is better than day time television.

Jin'Roh
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:14:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Mama ISK
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.


QFT Embarassed



it was fe/pa/nbsi - .5.
no g involved...

jin

Alts RUs
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:23:00 - [224]
 

I am a Sparta member. I cannot post with my main, but I will give you my point of view, and I know that others share it as well.

I am not at all happy with going against D2 and Razor. Iron and FLA, fine, they deserve it, but we have gotten so much help from G that we wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for them. But I will not abandon my corp and alliance because I disagree with a decision.

So, I will do my utmost to fight our enemies, but it is with a heavy heart I lock any D2 or Razor.

Raaki
Minmatar
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:28:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Raaki on 14/07/2006 07:28:31
Originally by: tbow10
Edited by: tbow10 on 13/07/2006 02:49:50
Edited by: tbow10 on 13/07/2006 02:49:24
As of today Sparta will be napping goons and setting d2/rzr/cdc -. We would like to wish all our old friends best of luck. This was a vary hard move for us to make we will see you on the field. Let us have fun and some smack free frights.

tbow
spr exec


Hahaha Your sure showing your fathers aspirations now Tbow.

It's funny how this all reverts back to the source.

Are you sure it's not you Masterblade playing on your son's account to still have a go at Ruling The North Question LaughingLaughing

Hair
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:30:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.


Let's see, F-E couldn't beat hold their space vs an enemy a 3rd of it's size, and Sparta sees a power vacuum and does a grab for a region of space while not under attack themselves.
I can see why you'd get the two situations confused Rolling Eyes

cryptic edge
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:45:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: GrumpyCat
So let me get this straight.
FLA wanted what was promised to us.
FLA attacks NFC because NFC was blocking us in.
IRON joins FLA for assistance.
FREE joins FLA/IRON because shooting people is fun.
Sparta -10 FLA/IRON/FREE.
10 minutes later they say "my bad" and restore standings
NFC tries to hire MC.
FLA hires MC, MC says we'll be there in a week
NFC guy is caught helping goonies so d2 -10 them.
NFC disbands and a bunch of the former nfc corps move to sparta.
Sparta says "NFC space belongs to us and theres nothing you can do about it"
Sparta naps goons and -10 d2 claiming d2 was helping ignoring them(maybe its a language barrior thing?)
Bandwagon begins and everyone in the north -10 Sparta.


Fixed for you

d4ve
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:52:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: d4ve on 14/07/2006 07:53:27
Originally by: cryptic edge
Sparta says "NFC space belongs to us and theres nothing you can do about it"

technically.. they said they wanted FLA space too. meaning they wanted all of dek for themselves.

funny thing is, we would have been happy if they'd just stayed out of it like they did in the beginning. the major NFC corps joining sparta was pushing it, but if they (sparta) had just stayed up in the two constellations to the west of dek this could have been settled.

but no, i guess the addition of a few more corps meant they would have to have the whole of dek to be able to survive.. hmm. survive? wrong word i guess.

Tozmeister
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2006.07.14 07:55:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Heero Yuy
Just for the record:

FLA does not have any kind of NAP with Goons. If they show up in Dek in the course Sparta being removed, we will shoot. Hope that's clear enough.


Easy to say that though when you know full well that goonies will not come into Dek and you will not go into any region held by goonies thanks to a cosy little OOG agreement between KHM and Goonies.

cryptic edge
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.14 08:05:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Tozmeister
Originally by: Heero Yuy
Just for the record:

FLA does not have any kind of NAP with Goons. If they show up in Dek in the course Sparta being removed, we will shoot. Hope that's clear enough.


Easy to say that though when you know full well that goonies will not come into Dek and you will not go into any region held by goonies thanks to a cosy little OOG agreement between KHM and Goonies.

Actually they told us the next day they cant ensure that. So in that regard, all bets are off. I for one was hoping we could keep them at a point of just staying out of it personally.

Doragee
Minmatar
Unknown Society
Posted - 2006.07.14 08:07:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.

So...you're truely admitting that the whole F-E couldn't resist w/o the help of [G]??
That an ally w. about nearly 2k members were not able to act on their owns w/o the help of app. 500 G's??
Is this really true?? ugh

Acwron
Minmatar
Anormalii S.A.
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.14 08:21:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Reminds me of a few months ago when FE alined with [5] Because [G] was leaving them to die.


Except G told FE, NBSI and PA months before that they were not allys of G anymore. So G had no obligation to help them.
And since you don't seem to know G promised to help FE but they were already in such bad shape they couldn't wait a week and napped .5.. That settled it.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.14 08:30:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: tyrol
*tyrol sits in the corner with his tin foil hat on merrily banging away on buddrows war drums 0_o


Sounds painful.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.14 08:41:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: GhostStarWolf
...chatlogs...


And? Posting 3 posts worth of chatlogs just annoys people. You could at least have saved 5 minutes of my life and summarised it.

Conram
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.07.14 09:15:00 - [235]
 

Although I can not speak for Dē, I wanna drop a line here I think that is common sense. This is my opinion and not an official statement.



The old Sparta guys have been good neighbours and friends for a long time. This friendship is too valuable to drop it just because of a temper. We donīt want to fight you, but if you go on this way we wonīt hesitate to do so.

Nowadays, people sacrifice honour in exchange for some (killing) fun. Thatīs sad, but itīs their decision. But on the other hand, some people like Sacred Templars live those ideals like we do, and are willing to die for them. To you and the others like you: Welcome, brothers !



Short version, bc this is EVE-O:
Friends will always be friends. - Traitors, die !


Furycharm
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.07.14 09:21:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: GrumpyCat
So let me get this straight.

FLA wanted to "hump more moons" as stated by the burn eden guy.
FLA attacks NFC because NFC was hogging all the moons.
IRON joins FLA for some unknown reason.
FREE joins FLA/IRON because shooting people is fun.
Sparta -10 FLA/IRON/FREE.
10 minutes later they say "my bad" and restore standings
NFC guy is caught helping goonies so d2 -10 them.
NFC disbands and a bunch of the former nfc corps move to sparta.
Not sure what happened here but IRON/FREE/FLA and Sparta start to war it out.
FLA/IRON hire MC for their war effort even though they stated they were winning.
Sparta naps goons and -10 d2 claiming d2 was helping ignoring them(maybe its a language barrior thing?)
Bandwagon begins and everyone in the north -10 Sparta.

I'm sure i'm missing a bunch of things so feel free to add the other stuff.

This stuff is better than day time television.



right uptil here

Sparta -10 FLA/IRON/FREE.

10 minutes later they say "my bad" and restore standings - following orders from D2 or they would set us to -10, tho promising that IF IRON/FLA did attack SPARTA during this time that D" would assist SPARTA

NFC guy is caught helping goonies so d2 -10 them.

NFC disbands and a bunch of the former nfc corps move to sparta.

Not sure what happened here but IRON/FREE/FLA and Sparta start to war it out. - SPARTA tried claiming the NFC held stations, FLA thought sod this and attacked SPARTA (without informing SPARTA of the standing change (who's backstabbing here)

FLA/IRON hire MC, X13 and another small corp for their war effort even though they stated they were winning.

Sparta naps goons and -10 d2 claiming d2 was helping ignoring them(maybe its a language barrior thing?) - yeah completely ignoring our diplomats mails convo's etc....

Bandwagon begins and everyone in the north -10 Sparta.

Yes I am an alt in SPARTA however SPARTA does have strict communication orders so SPARTA members should NOT be posting on here unless a diplomat

d4ve
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.14 09:42:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Furycharm
Yes I am an alt in SPARTA however SPARTA does have strict communication orders so SPARTA members should NOT be posting on here unless a diplomat

and you are a perfect example of why that is a good policy for sparta.

Emno
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.14 09:42:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Furycharm
Not sure what happened here but IRON/FREE/FLA and Sparta start to war it out. - SPARTA tried claiming the NFC held stations, FLA thought sod this and attacked SPARTA (without informing SPARTA of the standing change (who's backstabbing here)


if sparta leadership didn't see taking those stations as declaring war on fla/iron i think you need smarter leadership.

Originally by: Furycharm
FLA/IRON hire MC, X13 and another small corp for their war effort even though they stated they were winning.


didn't sparta hire x13 on themselves heh

Originally by: Furycharm
Yes I am an alt in SPARTA however SPARTA does have strict communication orders so SPARTA members should NOT be posting on here unless a diplomat



worst rule ever good to see your working hard to prove how useless it is

Darko1107
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.14 11:15:00 - [239]
 

Once again, sparta MEMBERS just like NFC members seem to have no idea whats going on. If you guna kill your alliance, at least tell your members why.

Fillmeup
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.07.14 11:56:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

You're calling the loss of the Cloud Ring stations and an intrusion into Fade an "excuse not to help"

You are way more gone than I could ever have imagined. Was D2 supposed to leave goons in cloud ring to help relieve what was at the time a much more minor issue?

What in the world crap are you being fed? Crap in, crap out.

tbow mentioned tinfoil hats, but he forgot to mention that Sparta were the ones wearing them.


What I was talking about on the other page. Sparta members, you need to step back and think for a second. Ask your self, would leave a region to be taken over to assist an ally, fight anouther ally, in a fight that they started.

Read that sentance over a couple times, and you'll figure out how this whole situation came about, and have the irresistable urge to slap your own leaders up side the head.


Seriously good advice. Seriously.

Oh, .... and don't slap too hard Laughing


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