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PuppetmasterX
Minmatar
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:16:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: PuppetmasterX on 13/07/2006 12:17:51
Originally by: Idunyken

And why should they? You never won the war. VFK and JU- were still protected by numerous deathstars and you had made no attempt to take them. When the NFC corps that had maintainted those POSs merged with sparta, sparta gained the rights to those stations. Those corps had earned those systems far more than IRON and FLA ever had imo. Good luck to them.


Did you just say that NFC had earned those systems??? Shocked

Riiiiight....

Piefke
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:18:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp has set Sparta Alliance to red standings.

Oh, and IRON too.

Oh yeah, and FLA; let's not forget them.

Plus NFC and pretty much everyone else we happen to come across.

In fact, I'm just going to leave everyone at neutral standings and adopt an NBSI policy Laughing


that part with iron, FLA and Core is nice, but by the way, you cant set NFC to red, cause that ally doesnt exist anymore Shocked

Heero Yuy
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:23:00 - [123]
 

You almost have to say "well done Sparta" I suppose. Not only have you decided to self-destruct, you decided to do it by betraying your closest allies and the North while you were at it. Nice going there.

For our part we're very happy that you've revealed your true colours. At least now there's no point mustering your forum brigade to cry "buhuhuu, FLA did this, that and the other". Compared to your fairly jaw-dropping sell-out, I can't see what we could possibly do to even remotely compare.

Thank god too that you didn't actually take us up on our offer to share upper Dek fairly and squarely between us, as that would obviously have been an invitation to treachery and disaster a short way down the road. We can only guess that "everything" must have sounded so much better than "enough" that you just couldn't resist. Still, what's done is done and soon you will be no more.

Goodbye Sparta, it was a mixed pleasure knowing you.

Idunyken
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:28:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Idunyken on 13/07/2006 12:29:02
Originally by: d4ve
Originally by: Idunyken
Even if this be true (which I still beleive it isn't)

if you want proof, ask xNFC leadership about the original proposal put forward to them by FLA and IRON diplomats.


I read it when it was issued, thankyou.

Edit: for clarity

Jenessa
Gallente
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:36:00 - [125]
 

It's reading threads like this that made me so happy to have left politics behind.

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:36:00 - [126]
 

Ok. Help me here.

Where do the following alliances stand...

CORE.
FLA.
OPUS.

Psst. CCP. Please let corp set standings towards alliances.

Ur Dirac
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:39:00 - [127]
 

Man, this is moving fast. So the situation isn't exactly stable is it?

Amano Uzume
Caldari
Industrial Conglomorate
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:40:00 - [128]
 

alltime there are alliances that always try to
sleep with the strongest alliance nearby.
it was the same with xelas,
maybe bob gives sparta a home in fountain when you got killed.

Shinoobie
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:43:00 - [129]
 

Wow,

Just wow. I just hope that you Sparta guys fight in game as well as you fight on the forums! We'd be in for one hell of war if wasn't for the fact that we'd be facing 100 Ibises because you guys are so scared to POST WITH A MAIN.

Pointless discussion going on here. IRON guys get in game and fight them, leave Sparta to hide behind there alts whining on the forums.

I'll see you all on the battlefield.

Regards,

Shin

Turiya Flesharrower
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:44:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Piefke
Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp has set Sparta Alliance to red standings.

Oh, and IRON too.

Oh yeah, and FLA; let's not forget them.

Plus NFC and pretty much everyone else we happen to come across.

In fact, I'm just going to leave everyone at neutral standings and adopt an NBSI policy Laughing


that part with iron, FLA and Core is nice, but by the way, you cant set NFC to red, cause that ally doesnt exist anymore Shocked


That's a shame; some of the funniest moments in beagle history have come from jumping into JU/VFK and watching people's reactions in local chat, including gang formation and orders Laughing

MiA Greasy
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2006.07.13 12:58:00 - [131]
 

I'll keep this to the point..

~DIE~

FotoFlame
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:03:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Idunyken
I can see why Sparta decided D2 were not as great allies as they thought. Goons or no goons IRON was going to attack sparta to get 'their' stations.


Find me a chatlog, announcement, eve-mail or TS recording which supports that and i'll draw IRON off Deklein right now.

Of course I'm more than happy to post the chatlog I had with the Sparta leadership the other night if that will clear this up. Its quite the read, you get to see IRON honour it's word that Sparta will keep their stations and territory, followed by Sparta announcing their claim on VFK/JU and admitting that they hired X13 on themselves to make us look bad.

Coupled with the mail that I sent out to the NFC leadership before this all kicked of it would make a great addition to that un-biased account everyone keeps asking for...

Truth is, every leader in this region knows why we're here but not one of them has the bottle to admit it to their own members.

And you all wonder why we won't make an official annoucement :)

~Foto

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Gallente
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:04:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Idunyken

Seems like Sparta has made a bold and sensible descision to me. Goonswarm are not the blobbing newbs they used to be. And D2 are not the shining protectors of the north that <G> used to be.



I can only post my opinion to this topic so don't quote me for the truth .. only diplos like Woody can give you all informations - but ...

... i think DČ wouldn't have set SPARTA to -10 if they didn't NAP the goons - i had the impression that the DČ lead wasn't pleased by the whole mess in deklein ... but would have tried to sort it out with peacetalks ... or at least stay out of this conflict - both sides (IRON/FLA & NFC/SPARTA) were blue to us ... do you really expect to sort such problems with military forces?

At first it was an infight of allied alliances, do you expect we prefer one side over another side? i don't hope so - but when the goons entered the scheme - the decision was easy.

Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:04:00 - [134]
 

I wonder what FLA bought with the 30 pieces of silver that they received from Iron for helping them start this.
All was peacefull until Iron showed up again. D2 had help from its allies to defend its borders, NFC, FLA and Sparta were in D2 gangs.
Who is to blame........
Who is laughing....... The south!

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:05:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: NATMav on 13/07/2006 13:06:38
Originally by: Stamm
Ok. Help me here.

Where do the following alliances stand...

CORE.
FLA.
OPUS.

Psst. CCP. Please let corp set standings towards alliances.


Grrrr forums are acting especially stupid this morning...

The info I have (nothing official of course):

Core. & FLA are blue to IRON & at war with Sparta

OPUS remains red to IRON/Core./FLA last I heard, not sure if they have taken up arms with Sparta, nor what D2's standings to them is.

Joerd Toastius
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:09:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 13/07/2006 13:13:30
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Hoegaarden
I would like to make very clear, on behalf of GoonSwarm, that our quarrel is with no alliances other than D2 and we do not seek to fight any other residents of Cloud Ring or Fade so long as they do not wish to fight us and are willing to accept us as allies and claimants to the area. Residents of Deklein are invited to come to the table with representatives from SPARTA and GS to discuss terms and work out an amenable arrangement. Therefore I will make an open offer for residents of the Northwest and tenants to contact myself or Cefte and negotiate for a peace agreement until we can conclude this war.


Somebody give this guy a medal or something!

/me wipes away a tear

Seriously man, that was... beautiful


"We don't want to fight you, we want to be friends, all we want is for you to let us take over your space..." - but you dressed it up so nicely, nobody seems to have noticed. Props dude, serious props ;)


Prepare to be assimilated...


I was born ready...



Besides, aren't we technically kinda sorta on the same side right now, in a manner of speaking? Shocked

Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:12:00 - [137]
 

"i had the impression that the DČ lead wasn't pleased by the whole mess in deklein ... but would have tried to sort it out with peacetalks"

I think that d2 may rue the fact that they could have sorted it out just by saying 'stop' to all concerned. Once this mess is over whoever is left will be weak and ready for conquest leaving the mightly d2 alone and on the back foot.
Everybody is blaming each other but the truth is that only 1 alliance had the power to stop it getting out of hand

Piefke
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:30:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Lunamariea Hawke
"i had the impression that the DČ lead wasn't pleased by the whole mess in deklein ... but would have tried to sort it out with peacetalks"

I think that d2 may rue the fact that they could have sorted it out just by saying 'stop' to all concerned. Once this mess is over whoever is left will be weak and ready for conquest leaving the mightly d2 alone and on the back foot.
Everybody is blaming each other but the truth is that only 1 alliance had the power to stop it getting out of hand


thats so true, nice posting Exclamation

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:40:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 13/07/2006 13:40:42
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


POPCORN! GET YER POPCORN HERE!


*sits back in his popcorn booth and watches the whole thing, from far away*

d4ve
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:52:00 - [140]
 

can i have some popcorns even tho im right in the middle of it? pls

WildCard
Gallente
SteelVipers
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.13 13:53:00 - [141]
 

Well Sparta, as you whish.

Zen TseTse
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:00:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Chenister
Originally by: Zen TseTse
Edited by: Zen TseTse on 13/07/2006 03:10:27
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon

Originally by: Xrak
So whats the reasons then?


**Please note that the opinions contained herein are those of Paddlefoot, and do not necessairly reflect the official position of SPARTA command or member corps***

D2 has been an ally of SPARTA for a very long time. When D2 has needed help, SPARTA has done the best we can to support and assist D2.

However, when SPARTA and other allies require support in return, D2 has not been there to get out backs. They have been fairweather friends, assisting only when it furthered their own interests.

We, after much debate, have decided to stand up for ourselves and come out of D2's shadow.


Im new but...

If your "long tiem friend" isnt there for you, the solution isnt to declare war.

And it seems if you merely wanted to "stand up for yourselves" and get out from D2's shadow... you wouldnt team with GOONs.

But hey... whatever. Enjoy the new shadow...


setting - isn't declaring war... =P


Like i said, im new (very new).

But seems to me if you werent effectively declaring war you would set nuetral and not engage in NAP + support combat with GOONS.

Anyways, in my short time in fade i got to play with some SPARTA and respect them, albiet many were STEMP. I guess this game revolves around drama tho =)

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:01:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: d4ve
can i have some popcorns even tho im right in the middle of it? pls


/me passes some

Laythun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:19:00 - [144]
 

/Laythun strokes his Crystal ball...

I see anger...i see pain...i see bright lights...i see..i see dead...people...

geewiz
Caldari
Intergalactic Logistics
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:23:00 - [145]
 

Wow this thread is like some cheap soap opera on TV. As well as about as true to real happenings from some quarters Rolling Eyes

I've had very little dealings with Sparta till recently and took them at their word they would stay neutral in this, but the level of backstabbing is truly amazing (especially to your former friends in D2) hell i'm annoyed at what you've done to them I can only imagine how they feel about you Evil or Very Mad

Also agree with Rytir's post looks like we have few alt fanboi's makes me feel all special that someone hates us so much Very Happy

Gee

Satomi Roboto
Amarr
The Line
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:30:00 - [146]
 

I am not exactly an alt as most of my corp know who I really am and so will a load of other corps out there in the universe. At the end of the day who cares as I am still going to get out there in my ship and do the best I can alongside my Sparta team mates, I am not afraid to lose my ship...all of them in fact.

Regarding the history between D2 and Sparta...whatever, I don't care about it. Over the last few weeks I had seen a decline in the relationships between us and them, we would try to take a stand against something and they would muscle in and say "don't do it or else", so we didn't...then we get rumours of our pilots flying through Venal and D2 would pipe up and say "get out of Venal or we will shoot you", so our boys got out of Venal. Little things which build up over time leave you feeling a little jaded thinking "with friends like these...etc".

The simple truth is that we didn't want to be friends with D2 any more. NAP'ing Goons and setting D2 to negative may not be the best way to dive right in and say that we have had enough. It might have been better to take baby steps and say "ok D2, we're setting you to neutral and severing our ties, good luck in the future etc."...that might have worked but hey, it is what it is...no going back now. It might also have been better to get us through the IRON/FLA fiasco first too.

Sink or swim I will follow my orders, I like Sparta and I like Deklein. There are many, many good people here in spite of all the nastiness and tubthumping to suggest the opposite. I wish the communication from the top was better but you can't have everything. I also understand that too much talk leads to indecisiveness and at least we made a decision based on our gut feeling so kudos for that. Respect also to those alliances and corps who have thrown their hat into the ring and taken a stand on either side, at least it stops all the muttering and cloak and dagger ****.

It's a jungle out there...

SaorAlba
Amarr
Ants
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:32:00 - [147]
 

I am not going to say something like " R.I.P Sparta allaince" cause that would be so lame. Let me just reverse this and say" Sparta Allaince were gonne RIP you apart. Seeya soon.

BOSSMAN69
Minmatar
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:38:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: SaorAlba
I am not going to say something like " R.I.P Sparta allaince" cause that would be so lame. Let me just reverse this and say" Sparta Allaince were gonne RIP you apart. Seeya soon.


Signed

Gedekan
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:39:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Laythun
/Laythun strokes his Crystal ball...

I see anger...i see pain...i see bright lights...i see..i see dead...people...



i see a lot of fun ingame, lets have some nice battles! YARRRR!!

Renowned
Minmatar
Sentinels of Serenity
Posted - 2006.07.13 14:51:00 - [150]
 

Thanks Sparta, nice mess you made, not just for your region but others as well.

You just NAP'ed a KNOWN PIRATE ALLIANCE.

Yeah, you heard me, might not mean much to you big 0.0 boyos, but down here in Placid, goon likes to attempt to pirate, any goon, anywhere, is KOS.

Now that some of my friends are now in Sparta (ORC), I do not know how to react to this.

ORC has always been a staunch supporter of Anti-piracy, yet now... what am I to think? Do they support this move, or are they as disgusted by the blatant disregard to EVEverse wide policies.

I completely understand D2's positioning, this is all about the trav incident, and frankly, after reading this, and having friends in the NFC alliance, I am not surprised it fell.

It's leadership had little control over their corps, apparently, and could not work out a minor dispute over Goon invasion, who are at the moment the real threat.

I hope, that Sparta's leadership realize the huge mistake they are making. If they do not this could reverbrate around many low sector zones.


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