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Nate D
Caldari
Hell's Rejects
The Council.
Posted - 2006.07.13 04:08:00 - [31]
 

... /me drools... ?

-Nate

Archangel Deck
Caldari
R E D E M P T I O N
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 04:10:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Archangel Deck on 13/07/2006 04:22:36
If u are talking about the first time we fired on u, i do believe there was an offical post that u were entering the war on the side of NFC, i was there when the first shot was fired at ur t2 industrial ship.

The 2nd time u were set to -ve? when Sparta started telling us that u planned on controling everything west 8S28 (which includes FLA space) that was a warning sign to us, then when u told us u were taking control of JU/VFK and we made it clear that wasnt an option considering u werent part of the war, when did we finaly set you -ve? when ex-NFC corps now Sparta corps refused to remove their POS's from JU/VFK, Sparta was telling us that they wanted control of everything west of 8S28 and control of JU/VFK, thats every station in Dek they were saying they wanted to own

My information was wrong? I dont think so i know what goes on within this alliance, as for MC? they were first hired by NFC to fight FLA, but FLA counterd the offer and MC accecpted that offer, the target was NFC but now since Sparta is made up of NFC, the target is now Sparta, as for the 2nd merc contract on u guys, lol thats a funny one we never hired merc's to attack Sparta, the one who hired them is within ur own ranks. Now saying that ur all gonna flame me, say im lieing but its the truth, take it or leave it

So reason Sparta was attacked by us? Sparta was attempting to expand beyond the 1 extra constellation that was going to be given to them, D2 cant stop us from going to war with u guys if u give us a vaild reason. We arent attacking Sparta we are defending FLA/IRON from Sparta

edit: Oh and for the record the first time fighting started between IRON/FLA and Sparta, D2 requested that IRON leave Sparta alone, which we did so consider that when u think D2 never did anything for u

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.07.13 04:30:00 - [33]
 

To make it official, F.R.E.E. Explorer has set Sparta -10.

See ya on the battlefield. YARRRR!!

Ur Dirac
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2006.07.13 04:40:00 - [34]
 

How does FLA fit into all this madness?

Montaire
Minmatar
Krusual Developments
Posted - 2006.07.13 04:44:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Archangel Deck


My information was wrong? I dont think so i know what goes on within this alliance, as for MC? they were first hired by NFC to fight FLA, but FLA counterd the offer and MC accecpted that offer, the target was NFC but now since Sparta is made up of NFC, the target is now Sparta,


This would signal a titanic shift for MC.

maria fonatana
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:05:00 - [36]
 

Let this be a warning for all dek/fade residents not currently aligned in this war.

sparta have stabbed you all in the back by bringing in a hostile alliance who are trying to invade fade now. If you value your homes and friendship with D2 i suggest you all set sparta to negative as now they have given the goons a staging area north of fade which will unltimately, if not countered lead to you all losing your homes. Now is not the time for sitting in station and thinking "ill just wait this out and see who wins".

Nidrian
Gallente
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:15:00 - [37]
 

It's your decision...
These Iron/NFC/Sparta/FLA conflicts who all are friends towards D2 were never our affairs. Why should we start to attack a friendly ally? All because of 1 or 2 Stations - really a shame... Confused But it keeps the North interesting Wink

zscft
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:24:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Montaire
We've supported D2 to the hilt in their fights against the goons. We've helped whenever they have asked. Where were they when we asked ?



You have got to love it when the pennie drops and yet another group relises what D2 are like, they are all one sided.

Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:30:00 - [39]
 

Yay. Time to skill the Spartan's. More targets keeps me happy. :-)

cryptic edge
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:32:00 - [40]
 

FLA had nothing to do with the mercs hired on Sparta. We actually just wanted to defeat the NFC like we were doing, and then after that was over have a stable dek, but sparta joined NFC, and lost 1.5 bil right after so they pulled out. As soon as NFC broke up we recieved an evemail from a sparta diplomat telling us that they "were claiming all NFC space to defend it against goonfleet and there was nothing we could do about it." That was their declaration of war right there. They asked for this and they were plotting and planning on stabbing all of the north in the back from the start.
After telling us they were wanting to defend it against goonfleet they bring in goons? This only proves that they never had any interest in working with anyone in the north, and care nothing about friendship with their neighbors as they would rather sell the region out to an invader over assisting and defending our territory.
Sparta is not to be trusted, their leadership is not to be trusted and welcome to the second great northern war. Anyone who associates with sparta can expect as soon as your no longer "in their best interests" that they will sell you out to the next invading power. This includes you goonfleet, as sparta has been a long time D2 ally and rather than staying out like D2 told them to and not trying to take over by other means they ensured the removal of a friend. Im sure they will do the same to you within the next few months, if they last that long.

Hoegaarden's Alt
Caldari
The Whirlwind
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:38:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Hoegaarden''s Alt on 13/07/2006 05:39:49
Edited by: Hoegaarden''s Alt on 13/07/2006 05:39:31
edit: whoops

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:40:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 13/07/2006 05:40:26
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Archangel Deck
My information was wrong? I dont think so i know what goes on within this alliance, as for MC? they were first hired by NFC to fight FLA, but FLA counterd the offer and MC accecpted that offer, the target was NFC but now since Sparta is made up of NFC, the target is now Sparta,


This would signal a titanic shift for MC.


What shift might that be? We had offers from both sides. We took the one from FLA. For whatever reasons, NFC has more or less dissolved and merged / joined Sparta. Sparta has now brought in the Goons.

All this shifting and realigning reminds me of why I hate the North. Anyone who chooses to live up here must be into self-abuse. Rolling EyesSmile

When Hugh has something to say about all this, we'll let you know.

Hoegaarden
Minmatar
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:40:00 - [43]
 

I would like to make very clear, on behalf of GoonSwarm, that our quarrel is with no alliances other than D2 and we do not seek to fight any other residents of Cloud Ring or Fade so long as they do not wish to fight us and are willing to accept us as allies and claimants to the area. Residents of Deklein are invited to come to the table with representatives from SPARTA and GS to discuss terms and work out an amenable arrangement. Therefore I will make an open offer for residents of the Northwest and tenants to contact myself or Cefte and negotiate for a peace agreement until we can conclude this war.

tbow10
Caldari
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:41:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: tbow10 on 13/07/2006 05:42:14
Originally by: cryptic edge
FLA had nothing to do with the mercs hired on Sparta. We actually just wanted to defeat the NFC like we were doing, and then after that was over have a stable dek, but sparta joined NFC, and lost 1.5 bil right after so they pulled out. As soon as NFC broke up we recieved an evemail from a sparta diplomat telling us that they "were claiming all NFC space to defend it against goonfleet and there was nothing we could do about it." That was their declaration of war right there. They asked for this and they were plotting and planning on stabbing all of the north in the back from the start.
After telling us they were wanting to defend it against goonfleet they bring in goons? This only proves that they never had any interest in working with anyone in the north, and care nothing about friendship with their neighbors as they would rather sell the region out to an invader over assisting and defending our territory.
Sparta is not to be trusted, their leadership is not to be trusted and welcome to the second great northern war. Anyone who associates with sparta can expect as soon as your no longer "in their best interests" that they will sell you out to the next invading power. This includes you goonfleet, as sparta has been a long time D2 ally and rather than staying out like D2 told them to and not trying to take over by other means they ensured the removal of a friend. Im sure they will do the same to you within the next few months, if they last that long.


and you point out hte problem they told us to stay out when it did involve us. You attacked nfc, and you attacked us you fired 1st shoot both times. By d2 alway telling us what to do or else what did you expect us to do just say ok your the o god o boss of eve we bow to you your ubber!!!!!!!!!

rofl

this is my own veiw also

Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:47:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/07/2006 05:40:26
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Archangel Deck
My information was wrong? I dont think so i know what goes on within this alliance, as for MC? they were first hired by NFC to fight FLA, but FLA counterd the offer and MC accecpted that offer, the target was NFC but now since Sparta is made up of NFC, the target is now Sparta,


This would signal a titanic shift for MC.


What shift might that be? We had offers from both sides. We took the one from FLA. For whatever reasons, NFC has more or less dissolved and merged / joined Sparta. Sparta has now brought in the Goons.

All this shifting and realigning reminds me of why I hate the North. Anyone who chooses to live up here must be into self-abuse. Rolling EyesSmile

When Hugh has something to say about all this, we'll let you know.



In response to the self-abuse statement... You get used to it after a while Seleene. Welcome to the North by the way.


Originally by: Hoegaarden
I would like to make very clear, on behalf of GoonSwarm, that our quarrel is with no alliances other than D2 and we do not seek to fight any other residents of Cloud Ring or Fade so long as they do not wish to fight us and are willing to accept us as allies and claimants to the area. Residents of Deklein are invited to come to the table with representatives from SPARTA and GS to discuss terms and work out an amenable arrangement. Therefore I will make an open offer for residents of the Northwest and tenants to contact myself or Cefte and negotiate for a peace agreement until we can conclude this war.



Pretty sure I can jump the gun and say "When hell freezes over" in reguards to IRON.

Reasons being:
A: Goonfleet is massive=massive amount of targets for us
B: D2 are reliable allies as long as you can pull your own weight. Sparta can't, and thus D2 possibly got tired of it. (I don't know for sure, just guessing :-))

Cartiff
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.07.13 05:57:00 - [46]
 

Shame, i enjoyed fighting alongside Sparta.
Ah well, change is always good

Cya in space peeps, luck to all

Murph Dog
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:13:00 - [47]
 

Good Luck to All & Lets have some fun :D

cryptic edge
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:18:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: tbow10
Edited by: tbow10 on 13/07/2006 05:42:14
Originally by: cryptic edge
FLA had nothing to do with the mercs hired on Sparta. We actually just wanted to defeat the NFC like we were doing, and then after that was over have a stable dek, but sparta joined NFC, and lost 1.5 bil right after so they pulled out. As soon as NFC broke up we recieved an evemail from a sparta diplomat telling us that they "were claiming all NFC space to defend it against goonfleet and there was nothing we could do about it." That was their declaration of war right there. They asked for this and they were plotting and planning on stabbing all of the north in the back from the start.
After telling us they were wanting to defend it against goonfleet they bring in goons? This only proves that they never had any interest in working with anyone in the north, and care nothing about friendship with their neighbors as they would rather sell the region out to an invader over assisting and defending our territory.
Sparta is not to be trusted, their leadership is not to be trusted and welcome to the second great northern war. Anyone who associates with sparta can expect as soon as your no longer "in their best interests" that they will sell you out to the next invading power. This includes you goonfleet, as sparta has been a long time D2 ally and rather than staying out like D2 told them to and not trying to take over by other means they ensured the removal of a friend. Im sure they will do the same to you within the next few months, if they last that long.


and you point out hte problem they told us to stay out when it did involve us. You attacked nfc, and you attacked us you fired 1st shoot both times. By d2 alway telling us what to do or else what did you expect us to do just say ok your the o god o boss of eve we bow to you your ubber!!!!!!!!!

rofl

this is my own veiw also

We never fired on you first, you joined NFC in the war against FLA, making yoursleves targets. You told us you were taking the spoils of the war you were not even in for more than 1 day (mind you, not at the end) so you started this. Now you will become the targets of FLA. We wouldnt have started firing on Sparta if they would have not tried to take what we earned. We were willing to give you more space for staying out but you wernt content with that. Instead you got greedy and wanted it all. You brought this on yourself and could have saved face and been the good guys if you would have just accepted the fact that the NFC was dead, not tried to take their stuff as your own. FLA/IRON/FREE/Core eanred that space, and you have no claim on it.

Doragee
Minmatar
Unknown Society
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:22:00 - [49]
 

Interesting point here:
One lonely NFC-guy cyno'd for GS in the Fade backyards, D2 set them to -10, they complain, they disband, most of them joined SPR and now SPR set D2 to -10 because D2 will not help them to stay in DEK, a region where D2 never had hartly any territorial involvment.
Why should D2 help SPR while they have a conflict running on their own, which were well known by SPR leadership?
And why SPR decided to NAP the Goonieverse which are engaging D2 in Fade, while SPR has a conflict in DEK?
Will SPR move and try to claim Fade?
Will the Goonieverse try to nap all other D2 allys as well?

Interesting times at least...

Milkminer
Caldari
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:25:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: cryptic edge
FLA/IRON/FREE/Core eanred that space, and you have no claim on it.


This is really driving a nail in to my head.

FLA earned nothing, I was in this war, and your ravens camping 3JN were te only sign of you. No smack intended just fact, you were a defensive entity, IRON/Core/FREEE the fighters and much respect for their abilities.

tbow10
Caldari
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:27:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: cryptic edge
Originally by: tbow10
Edited by: tbow10 on 13/07/2006 05:42:14
Originally by: cryptic edge
FLA had nothing to do with the mercs hired on Sparta. We actually just wanted to defeat the NFC like we were doing, and then after that was over have a stable dek, but sparta joined NFC, and lost 1.5 bil right after so they pulled out. As soon as NFC broke up we recieved an evemail from a sparta diplomat telling us that they "were claiming all NFC space to defend it against goonfleet and there was nothing we could do about it." That was their declaration of war right there. They asked for this and they were plotting and planning on stabbing all of the north in the back from the start.
After telling us they were wanting to defend it against goonfleet they bring in goons? This only proves that they never had any interest in working with anyone in the north, and care nothing about friendship with their neighbors as they would rather sell the region out to an invader over assisting and defending our territory.
Sparta is not to be trusted, their leadership is not to be trusted and welcome to the second great northern war. Anyone who associates with sparta can expect as soon as your no longer "in their best interests" that they will sell you out to the next invading power. This includes you goonfleet, as sparta has been a long time D2 ally and rather than staying out like D2 told them to and not trying to take over by other means they ensured the removal of a friend. Im sure they will do the same to you within the next few months, if they last that long.


and you point out hte problem they told us to stay out when it did involve us. You attacked nfc, and you attacked us you fired 1st shoot both times. By d2 alway telling us what to do or else what did you expect us to do just say ok your the o god o boss of eve we bow to you your ubber!!!!!!!!!

rofl

this is my own veiw also

We never fired on you first, you joined NFC in the war against FLA, making yoursleves targets. You told us you were taking the spoils of the war you were not even in for more than 1 day (mind you, not at the end) so you started this. Now you will become the targets of FLA. We wouldnt have started firing on Sparta if they would have not tried to take what we earned. We were willing to give you more space for staying out but you wernt content with that. Instead you got greedy and wanted it all. You brought this on yourself and could have saved face and been the good guys if you would have just accepted the fact that the NFC was dead, not tried to take their stuff as your own. FLA/IRON/FREE/Core eanred that space, and you have no claim on it.


sov would differ see you on friday :)

wish luck to you guys

tbow10
Caldari
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:29:00 - [52]
 

sparta i ask you to now stay out of this thread and go back to our no posting policy

:)

cryptic edge
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:30:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Milkminer
Originally by: cryptic edge
FLA/IRON/FREE/Core eanred that space, and you have no claim on it.


This is really driving a nail in to my head.

FLA earned nothing, I was in this war, and your ravens camping 3JN were te only sign of you. No smack intended just fact, you were a defensive entity, IRON/Core/FREEE the fighters and much respect for their abilities.

You probally didnt notice because like most of NFC you probally safe spotted every time we entered system. Made it hard to fight a war against people who always hid. Oh well, the numbers speak for themselves, and we still won and earned it. But at this point, sparta has made their bed and has irritated almost the entire north.

Milkminer
Caldari
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:31:00 - [54]
 

Guesss we all gotta do what we gotta do, and get on with this war. No point hammering an announcement thread about it. Lets see your metal on the killing fields Smile

Rangar
Gallente
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:44:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Cartiff
Ah well, change is always good


Well, changes are good from time to time, but at least we will not change our friends like underpants! It is a bit sad, that some people here begin to act like politicians in real life and change their friends and allies for short term advantages.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:45:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/07/2006 05:40:26
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Archangel Deck
My information was wrong? I dont think so i know what goes on within this alliance, as for MC? they were first hired by NFC to fight FLA, but FLA counterd the offer and MC accecpted that offer, the target was NFC but now since Sparta is made up of NFC, the target is now Sparta,


This would signal a titanic shift for MC.


What shift might that be? We had offers from both sides. We took the one from FLA. For whatever reasons, NFC has more or less dissolved and merged / joined Sparta. Sparta has now brought in the Goons.

All this shifting and realigning reminds me of why I hate the North. Anyone who chooses to live up here must be into self-abuse. Rolling EyesSmile

When Hugh has something to say about all this, we'll let you know.


Thanks mate (you know what i mean). Drop me a message ingame plz

vladdy2
Gallente
VNTR Labs
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:45:00 - [57]
 

I'm a little thick so forgive me Very Happy

Sparta has set D2, RZR & CDC to negative and napped Goons?

So now your hostile to IRON, FLA, CORE, D2, RZR, CDC and all Fade residents.
Have i missed anyone?
oh yeah how could i forget, BoB cuz they just "hostile" Laughing

Well truth be told i was somewhat dissapointed that the NFC died so quick and strangley, but now this just makes it that much more interesting.

Are you sure you havent bit off a ton more than you can chew on?

meh dont matter, this aughta be some fun for all, lots and lots of shooty shooty, cant wait to get back in game.

Have fun all, see you out there.

Montaire
Minmatar
Krusual Developments
Posted - 2006.07.13 06:51:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Montaire on 13/07/2006 07:11:16
Ah. From the original post it seemed like MC had told FLA there was a pending contract against them and then asked for a better offer. Something like that I wouldnt expect from MC.

Seems there just happened to be two different contracts offered at roughly the same time, which makes sense.

Good luck and good hunting.

edit : spelling ftw



Edited by: Montaire on 13/07/2006 07:10:34
Originally by: Seleene


This would signal a titanic shift for MC.


What shift might that be? We had offers from both sides. We took the one from FLA. For whatever reasons, NFC has more or less dissolved and merged / joined Sparta. Sparta has now brought in the Goons.

All this shifting and realigning reminds me of why I hate the North. Anyone who chooses to live up here must be into self-abuse. Rolling EyesSmile





Buddrow
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2006.07.13 07:00:00 - [59]
 



meh,


like i said earlier, the more the merrie. Twisted Evil


and yes this is quickly developing to GNWII if some more stuff goes down, ROBERTO, where art thouLaughing

Maverick McDougel
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.07.13 07:20:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Maverick McDougel on 14/07/2006 02:56:51
edited just in case i am told to later on.


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